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[quote=Lotus;900074]My guess is that I say this once and then am ignored forever...

Since he said in his interview with Mooch that he doesn't like being called RGIII and prefers Griffin, can we please call him Griffin? If we're not going to call him what he wants to be called, who will?[/quote]

I will try but I'm not going to make any promises. It's so easy to call him that. I'm gonna try Griff out.

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Yeah that's why I've been writing Griffin. Though RG3 seemingly takes less time, and what are the odds he would see what we write on here anyway, or even get really offended by it

"I was excited to play in the nation's capital with Mike Shanahan, and I had a good conversation with Pierre Garcon the other day...but then I was reading mooby's post online and you know what **** all the Redskins fans for calling me RG3. I want out! And I let my agent know to get a trade done"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;899950]When is Jon Gruden's QB special again? I really would like to see his interview with both Luck and [B]Griffen[/B].[/quote]

Gruden's QB Camp with [B]Griffin[/B] is April 2nd. DVR will be set and that will be saved, for sure.

For those who are still grumpy about the price we paid for the trade, just look at what's going on in Cleveland where the team president is having to explain to their fan base why they didn't make the trade.

Or where I live in S. Florida, Dolphins fans are not at all excited about the prospect of Matt Flynn and are lukewarm at best on the thoughts of Ryan Tannehill in the draft.

Pick your poison, I'd rather be missing a few picks and getting a top flight QB this draft than being deflated once again about the most important position on the field.

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[quote=SmootSmack;900079]Yeah that's why I've been writing Griffin. Though RG3 seemingly takes less time, and what are the odds he would see what we write on here anyway, or even get really offended by it

[I]"I was excited to play in the nation's capital with Mike Shanahan, and I had a good conversation with Pierre Garcon the other day...but then I was reading mooby's post online and you know what **** all the Redskins fans for calling me RG3. I want out! And I let my agent know to get a trade done[/I]"[/quote]

:laughing-

If that happened, I would cry myself to sleep every night after the Redskins lose due to bad qb play, and I'd also voluntarily ban myself from the boards to prevent something like that from ever happening again.

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[quote=Paintrain;900083]Gruden's QB Camp with [B]Griffin[/B] is April 2nd. DVR will be set and that will be saved, for sure.

For those who are still grumpy about the price we paid for the trade, just look at what's going on in Cleveland where the team president is having to explain to their fan base why they didn't make the trade.

Or where I live in S. Florida, Dolphins fans are not at all excited about the prospect of Matt Flynn and are lukewarm at best on the thoughts of Ryan Tannehill in the draft.

Pick your poison, I'd rather be missing a few picks and getting a top flight QB this draft than being deflated once again about the most important position on the field.[/quote]

I agree. I feel so bad for Browns fans. They are upset about not making this deal [I]even though they still get to keep 3 first round picks[/I]. That makes me feel better about the Redskins' position.

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[quote=mooby;900008]True. But how many qb's have to deal with a desperate franchise like ours, combined with the fact that 3 first round picks were given up for them?

I think he has the talent and right mentality to succeed in the NFL, I'm just thinking about potential concerns.[/quote]

Legitimate concerns IMO. Pressure (levels) vary from one situation to the next and each franchise is different. I tend to agree RGIII will be walking into the highest pressure situation of any QB this season, in fact, by a long shot.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;900005]He was asked that during an interview .... An flat out said no ...
It's not in him to do that .....[/quote]

Yes I remember hearing that to.

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[quote=Paintrain;900083]Gruden's QB Camp with [B]Griffin[/B] is April 2nd. DVR will be set and that will be saved, for sure.

For those who are still grumpy about the price we paid for the trade, just look at what's going on in Cleveland where the team president is having to explain to their fan base why they didn't make the trade.

Or where I live in S. Florida, Dolphins fans are not at all excited about the prospect of Matt Flynn and are lukewarm at best on the thoughts of Ryan Tannehill in the draft.

Pick your poison, I'd rather be missing a few picks and getting a top flight QB this draft than being deflated once again about the most important position on the field.[/quote]The Dolphins are in awful shape. I feel bad for Philbin, who did the right thing to get rid of Marshall, even if it means selling low. They have a bad GM and a potentially good coach. I just don't see how that coach can succeed.

The Browns will probably be alright. A big question for them is whether Shurmur needs to win this year to keep Holmgren/Heckert all together. They'll be okay taking any of Tannehill, Blackmon, or Richardson at no. 4. Still think they are the best off of these three teams coming out of this year's draft.

The Redskins need to make a leap to contention sooner rather than later. There's not enough draft picks to justify struggling through this season. There is no: at least we'll be better when...

I think Griffin offers a legitimate path out of the vicious cycle of the last twenty years, but you can only put so much one guy. At some point, he'll need help. And by help, I don't mean Roy Helu and Pierre Garcon. I mean a player development machine that actually makes underachievers replaceable.

Great post tripp as for Miami... Ouch! And if the don't get Flynn they will trade up for tannehill I imagine

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[quote=GTripp0012;900189]The Dolphins are in awful shape. I feel bad for Philbin, who did the right thing to get rid of Marshall, even if it means selling low. They have a bad GM and a potentially good coach. I just don't see how that coach can succeed.

The Browns will probably be alright. A big question for them is whether Shurmur needs to win this year to keep Holmgren/Heckert all together. They'll be okay taking any of Tannehill, Blackmon, or Richardson at no. 4. Still think they are the best off of these three teams coming out of this year's draft.

The Redskins need to make a leap to contention sooner rather than later. There's not enough draft picks to justify struggling through this season. There is no: at least we'll be better when...

[B]I think Griffin offers a legitimate path out of the vicious cycle of the last twenty years, but you can only put so much one guy. At some point, he'll need help. And by help, I don't mean Roy Helu and Pierre Garcon. I mean a player development machine that actually makes underachievers replaceable.[/B][/quote]
I think I've finally found something we completely agree on!

As positive and optimistic as I tend to be (some call it homerism, pfft) its clear this roster is not a Super Bowl contending roster. Some of our 'better' players like Garcon, Helu, etc. are role players on championship teams. We're fooling ourselves if we think that Helu is a feature back in the NFL, he's a good to very good change of pace back but he's not a bell-cow. Garcon will be the most explosive WR we've had around these parts in a long time but again, he'd be deadly opposite a star that draws double teams. Even someone like Fred Davis, supremely talented but still not elite.

RGIII gives us our best chance at a truly elite player since probably Champ Bailey. He is going to do some things that will make us leap out of our seats but until he's got the cast around him to support those plays with consistent greatness we will not be among the upper echelon of teams. We need to draft not only well but excellently for the next couple of years and make smart acquisitions in free agency.

With our (projected) roster and a rapid learning experience from RGIII we could be in the 7-8-9 win range next season with the hope that in 2014 we've reached a level of being a consistent threat for 10-11 wins per year.

I probably believe in the coaching ability of Mike and Kyle more than some so I hope they can coach up our less talented players to a higher level of production.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;894371]wow Three 1's and a 2[/quote]



Pretty much sums up how I feel about this trade, now that it is a week old.

Now I'll vote how I'm not in favor.

That's a lot of our future right there, and I would have preferred to trade back, not up!

[QUOTE=backrow;900468]Pretty much sums up how I feel about this trade, now that it is a week old.

Now I'll vote how I'm not in favor.

That's a lot of our future right there, and I would have preferred to trade back, not up![/QUOTE]

Giants fans said the same for Eli but they aren't anymore

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the trade is a done deal, get over it. i will say it again, we gave up 2 #1's and 1 #2. not 3 #1's, we still have a #1 pick this year. we have missed on QB's in the past but the two most recent were Campbell and Ramsey both late 1st round picks. we are going for it hoping to get a franchise QB, who knows if it will pan out.

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[quote=backrow;900468]Pretty much sums up how I feel about this trade, now that it is a week old.

Now I'll vote how I'm not in favor.

That's a lot of our future right there, and I would have preferred to trade back, not up![/quote]

How did the redskins' future look to you without Manning or RGIII at qb?

It was iffy at best for me looking at the redskins without one of those 2.

[QUOTE=backrow;900468]Pretty much sums up how I feel about this trade, now that it is a week old.

Now I'll vote how I'm not in favor.

That's a lot of our future right there, and I would have preferred to trade back, not up![/QUOTE]
I certainly don't want to minimize the value of a first round pick, but we have had good first round picks for the last decade and haven't gotten over the hump. Every single person knows what we need first and foremost is a top level qb. While one or two of the second level qbs most likely will make it I am a cynical enough skins fan to assume whichever one we took will be a bust. Not the best rationale for supporting the trade(assuming general incompetence in a teams ability to pick the best mid level guy) but it is what it is.

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A week after the trade I realize how historic it was. Only the Herschel Walker trade involved as many #1's going from one team to another, making the Griffin trade arguably bigger than even the Ricky Williams deal.

That said, I feel very comfortable with it. If a historic trade gives us a historically awesome QB, I'm all for it.

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Our first rounders in recent years havent been exactly busts but they never made the difference they should have. I'm ok with losing a 2 first rounders to take a chance on an elite talent.

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[quote=Lotus;900479]A week after the trade I realize how historic it was. Only the Herschel Walker trade involved as many #1's going from one team to another, making the Griffin trade arguably bigger than even the Ricky Williams deal.

That said, I feel very comfortable with it. If a historic trade gives us a historically awesome QB, I'm all for it.[/quote]What if it gives us a guy who has Donovan McNabb's career?

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;900481]What if it gives us a guy who has Donovan McNabb's career?[/QUOTE]

I'd take that, in his prime mcnabb was a top 10 qb

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Random question which has an assumptive answer but not a known answer as of now; What if Robert Griffin says he doesn't want to play for us?

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In regards to gtripps question:

To be perfectly honest, and don't every one go biting my head for this, I'd take it. A nice run of NFC East Championships and constant playoff appearances is a far cry from what we've seen here in recent times.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;900484]Random question which has an assumptive answer but not a known answer as of now; What if Robert Griffin says he doesn't want to play for us?[/QUOTE]

Then we don't take him I guess idk
Or trade him

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[quote=CultBrennan59;900484]Random question which has an assumptive answer but not a known answer as of now; What if Robert Griffin says he doesn't want to play for us?[/quote]

tell him, kiss my ass and show him the money.

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[quote=redskins5044;900470]the trade is a done deal, get over it. i will say it again, we gave up 2 #1's and 1 #2. not 3 #1's, we still have a #1 pick this year. we have missed on QB's in the past but the two most recent were Campbell and Ramsey both late 1st round picks. we are going for it hoping to get a franchise QB, who knows if it will pan out.[/quote]



You forgot Heath Shuler. However, I am for the trade. The skins did the right thing to grab a qb that they think fits the offense, and one who is coachable. If they sat around waiting for a qb to drop in their lap, or signed another teams cast-off it may or may not work. I'd rather had the team succeed or fail with the guy they really wanted and is a home grown product.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;900484]Random question which has an assumptive answer but not a known answer as of now; What if Robert Griffin says he doesn't want to play for us?[/quote]

I dont think that would be an issue with a high caracter person like Griffin. I mean where exactly would he wanna play if not here? We are a much better option then other QB needy teams like the Browns, Dolphins, and Jags.

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My question was more pertaining to the compensation in the trade than to the player. If Robert Griffin looked like Donovan McNabb for four years, I think he's pretty safely going to get that second contract.

But outside of "we'll take it", well, duh, we have no choice now. But would you have traded three firsts and a second to take a guy who ends up having Donovan McNabb's career, or would it have been better to keep the picks and see whats behind the mystery door that is the career of Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles, Brock Osweiler, or Kirk Cousins?

The point is, none of those guys (maybe Foles or Cousins, but I digress) is "likely" to enjoy a career like Donovan McNabb's career. Griffin's got a decent chance. At least that's the expectation. But would you cash in a multi-time pro bowl career for the chance to draft a guy who could do just as well or better, and still have three first round picks (or two firsts and a second, if Tannehill)?

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Yes, I'm tired of the mystery door.

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Because obviously if Griffin ends up in the Hall of Fame, there wasn't a price that was too large to pay for that.

[QUOTE=GreekSkin;900492]Yes, I'm tired of the mystery door.[/QUOTE]Gotcha. That's fair, especially with the "decisions" we've seen Shanahan make at quarterback the last two years. No more guesswork, lets cash in now.

I get that. A team with a good personnel guy gets much more value out of the picks. But the Redskins? They might very well get more out of Griffin.

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[quote=GTripp0012;900481]What if it gives us a guy who has Donovan McNabb's career?[/quote]

I would be happy for a few years of DMac in his prime. However, if that is what we get, we will not have gotten full value in the trade. But maybe we get more than just DMac in his prime. It will be interesting to see how this goes.

But DMac is not the true yardstick since we can't draft him. The real question is, will the difference between Griffin and Tannehill be worth 2 #1's and a #2? For the sake of my mental health, I am just going to assume for now that Griffin will be A LOT better than Tannehill. Don't be surprised to hear me crow in a couple of years if this completely blind assumption proves wrong.

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I don't see the ceiling of RGIII being Donovan McNabb. The way i see it he is more like Steve Young and if he can perform like Steve did under Shanahan then I will be completely okay with the trade.

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I don't know how to link in vids


Steve Young Highlights:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biyx-UPrYf4]Steve Young career highlights. - YouTube[/url]

Robert Griffin III college Highlights:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpMWjmfwhCg]Robert Griffin III - 2011 Heisman Winner (Highlights in HD) - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=diehardskin2982;900504]I don't know how to link in vids


Steve Young Highlights:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biyx-UPrYf4]Steve Young career highlights. - YouTube[/url]

Robert Griffin III college Highlights:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpMWjmfwhCg]Robert Griffin III - 2011 Heisman Winner (Highlights in HD) - YouTube[/url][/quote]If Young is your comparable then the challenge for the Redskins will be to not trade him after three seasons when they haven't won anything as a result of the pick. Or he could save our team in the next three years and the discussion is moot.

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[quote=GTripp0012;900505]If Young is your comparable then the challenge for the Redskins will be to [B]not trade him after three seasons when they haven't won anything as a result of the pick[/B]. Or he could save our team in the next three years and the discussion is moot.[/quote]
Do you feel like the current regime has done this......

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RG3 is absolutely comparable to Young.
Our supporting cast isn't comparable to what Young had however.

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[quote=IrMitchell;900508]RG3 is absolutely comparable to Young.
Our supporting cast isn't comparable to what Young had however.[/quote]

hey! we have jerry rice right??

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Out of all the QBs I hear RGIII compared to, Steve Young is the one I would compare him to. A pocket passer who's legs give him the ability to make plays by passing on the run and by tucking it and running.


Comparing him to Vick, Young, Tebow, Cam is laughable at best(not sure if anybody has). I can't begin to state how happy I am knowing this guy is going to be a Redskin.

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[quote=NC_Skins;900515]Out of all the QBs I hear RGIII compared to, Steve Young is the one I would compare him to. A pocket passer who's legs give him the ability to make plays by passing on the run and by tucking it and running.


Comparing him to Vick, Young, Tebow, Cam is laughable at best(not sure if anybody has). I can't begin to state how happy I am knowing this guy is going to be a Redskin.[/quote]


I compare him to Cam but only from a leadership and confidence stand point

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[quote=skinsfaninok;900518]I compare him to Cam but only from a leadership and confidence stand point[/quote]

They both have big arms as well./ RG3 is much more agile and quick though, and is much more of a pure passer than Cam, although Cam can definitely take more punishment. Im curious to see how Griffin throws into tight windows. If he can do that and make his reads, this guy is gonna get real good, real quick.

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[quote=WaldSkins;900490]I dont think that would be an issue with a high caracter person like Griffin. I mean where exactly would he wanna play if not here? We are a much better option then other QB needy teams like the Browns, Dolphins, and Jags.[/quote]

True but when you compare teams, you'd think San Diego would be no problem for some QBs, but apparently New york is a better place to go...