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[quote=Mattyk;960957]I agree. He does have to answer for that and it's the biggest reason we're going nowhere this year.[/quote]


To add to this, and it just hit me while take the trash out. (which is what mike should be doing) How does he expect the players to buy into a defensive scheme that his own coach doesn't even buy into? (or want to run) How can you effectively run something you don't have your heart into? How can you get your players to buy into that when they know your heart isn't into it?

So yeah, this was a HUGE mistake by Mike.

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[quote=NC_Skins;960955]I think in the end, Mike's downfall (if there is one) will be his decision to go with Haslett as his DC. This was by far his biggest mistake. (not even the McNabb trade) Not sure what the **** he was thinking bringing in a guy who didn't want to run that particular defense, nor hadn't ran it in 11 years. You mean in that year off he couldn't find somebody worth a damn to run this defense? Romeo? Phillips? I know Zimmer was his first choice, but god damn there had to be somebody else.[/quote]

Yep, when your best starting field position is the 35 yard line going in to the 4th Qaurter.. Well, that's saying something..

I don't even think the Offense has been in many good positions this year. Our defense is the main reason for our downfall at the moment. We don't hold anyone down, we allow teams to chew up clock, and break off big plays when they need them.

Same old song and dance this year.

[QUOTE=Jayroc24;960902]SS, I am curious, who? I now feel there needs to be a change.

The below rant is my feelings after todays game.

After todays game and seeing the play calling and the performance of the players I do think it is time for a (Coaching) change. I can handle the Rookie QB making mistakes, not the veterans. The guys are to slow and missing assignments. This is a direct reflection of the coaching staff and the FO. At some point all jobs are held to be accountable. Coach Shannahan is not getting it done, and play calling is absolutely pathetic and getting worse. I understand that the team has had injuries, but so does all the other teams that seem to find away to find away to win. We just get worse, the Redskins are going for a 6 to 7 win season, which agian is where we have been for last 15- 20 years. I know that we are all getting sick of this.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I think If you want to wager on that 7 wins you should inbox me. ;)


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[QUOTE=punch it in;960966]I think If you want to wager on that 7 wins you should inbox me. ;)


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Told u we weren't a playoff team

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This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;960919]I'd love gruden but he ain't leaving ESPN[/QUOTE]

I love him too but i would be torn - he is greAt on espn.


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[quote=SmootSmack;960971]This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?[/quote]

If your drunk enough.. You can actually come to these threads for good laughs. That's what I do.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;960921]For those that say a coaching change would hurt us..

Look at TB, Indianapolis, Miami[/QUOTE]

I think it is fair to say the "doubters" are going to have to get a bigger wagon :)


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Shanahan seems to have a good track record with offensive talent?

[QUOTE=Bucket;960923]Woot.. I wanna play, but I'll go the other direction..

Cleveland, Dallas, Carolina!

This is fun.[/QUOTE]

The point is that a coaching change isnt always the dagger of death. I said before and ill say it again. Its not the change that hurts its making the wrong decision. Wise you choose and prosper you will ( in a yoda voice).


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;960971]This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?[/QUOTE]

He's obviously a good coach, he won two SBs. Maybe hes just not right for Washington? Who knows but what is a fact is this team hasn't gotten better in the win column since he's been here

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;960970]Told u we weren't a playoff team[/QUOTE]

Boy was I drunk on kool-aid after that TB game or Minn? Either way looks like your off the hook for that 10 jersey.


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[quote=skinsfan69;960960]As bad as Haslett is we don't have any players. The player/personel Mike Shanahan is going to be his downfall more so than Jim Haslett. I don't think he survives this. Losing to Carolina at home with the tough part of the schedule coming up....we're looking at possibly having a 3-5 win season. The Rams could possibly have a top 3 pick next year from the Redskins.[/quote]

Agreed. Bruce Allen sunk the Bucs and got Gruden fired. He's gonna send another quality coach to the TV booth. How long has WR and the secondary been an issue here? And he still can't improve them?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;960971]This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?[/QUOTE]

Remove serious and insert good than throw in an anymore at the end.


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[QUOTE=punch it in;960981]Boy was I drunk on kool-aid after that TB game or Minn? Either way looks like your off the hook for that 10 jersey.


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I said 8-8 .... Yeah right

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;960984]I said 8-8 .... Yeah right[/QUOTE]

Lol. Think I had settled on at least 10-6. Wasnt expecting the offense to go stagnant.


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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskins/shanahan-now-we-get-chance-evaluate-players]Shanahan: 'Now we get a chance to evaluate players' | CSN Washington[/url]


Have to say I'm extremely disappointed in Mike saying what he did at the presser. Basically throwing in the towel on the season. That's a sure fire way to lose the players. Realistically we know he's speaking the truth, but that needs to be said once you are mathematically out of the playoffs.

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I agree, was disappointed the coach is throwing the towel in with almost half the season left. I realize he was upset. It is highly improbable we can fix the major problems, but if RG3 explodes, Garcon & Merriweather make us better -- there's a chance, a small chance, we could run the table.

I just don't think the coach should be saying it's impossible, he's the leader.

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[quote=skinsfan69;960960]As bad as Haslett is we don't have any players. The player/personel Mike Shanahan is going to be his downfall more so than Jim Haslett. I don't think he survives this. Losing to Carolina at home with the tough part of the schedule coming up....we're looking at possibly having a 3-5 win season. The Rams could possibly have a top 3 pick next year from the Redskins.[/quote]

The Shanahans have been here for three years, each year the skns start the season winning the first 3 of 5 games then the game tape gets looked at and the opposing defenses catch on and the year goes the hell.
This indicates that the talent isn't as good as it should be, and the coaches DO NOT ADJUST. The arrogance not to adjust is a failing of the entire staff. The lack of an ability to overcome scheme is a talent issue, the lack of flexibility is a function of the coaches. On both accounts Shanahan is the problem.
What reasonable coach will stick to his 20 play script well into the second quarter, because it takes that long to run 20 palys? If a team is 3 and out 3 times (see Rams game) it's time to throw the script away!

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[quote=ethat001;960999]I agree, was disappointed the coach is throwing the towel in with almost half the season left. I realize he was upset. It is highly improbable we can fix the major problems, but if RG3 explodes, Garcon & Merriweather make us better -- there's a chance, a small chance, we could run the table.

I just don't think the coach should be saying it's impossible, he's the leader.[/quote]

I would be shocked to see Garcon play again this year. Talk about snake bit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;960971]This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?[/quote]

A serious coach gives you chance at winning any given football game. Notice I didn't say every game. I didn't say a playoff game. I didn't say the Superbowl. Simply, any given football game. I look at it as the most basic level of legitimacy for an HC, can you metaphysically put together a win.

With Mike, the answer is no far too often. Part of the story is what he forced in terms of defense. Part of the story is who he brought in to coach with him. And part of the story is what happens on gameday.

In some games a combination of players, luck and a few decent play-calls makes a win possible, but there are games where Mike Shanahan, for the reasons above, makes winning a metaphysical impossibility. It's why giving him another year or ten is nonsensical. When you're losing because of your coach, you need a new coach.

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[quote=Evilgrin;960976]Shanahan seems to have a good track record with offensive talent?[/quote]

Yes. Shanahan is deserving of a RB scout position, or maybe overall offensive player scout position. But he shouldn't be in any position to make personnel decisions.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;960997][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskins/shanahan-now-we-get-chance-evaluate-players]Shanahan: 'Now we get a chance to evaluate players' | CSN Washington[/url]


Have to say I'm extremely disappointed in Mike saying what he did at the presser. Basically throwing in the towel on the season. That's a sure fire way to lose the players. Realistically we know he's speaking the truth, but that needs to be said once you are mathematically out of the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Did he mean evaluate talent as in the starters and seeing which of them are going to fight and which of them arent? Or evaluate talent in a training camp - lets check out the young guys way?


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[quote=skinsfaninok;960980]He's obviously a good coach, he won two SBs. Maybe hes just not right for Washington? Who knows but what is a fact is this team hasn't gotten better in the win column since he's been here[/quote]He WAS a good coach with a HOF QB and an innovative system in the late 90s.

Now he's blinded tto the fact that his "system" is something everyone has seen and knows how to counter. Other than that, he's got nothing but his son's gimmicks, which don't work consistently because he has success with a play and runs it and/or it's variants 10 times in a row, the D figures it out and then it's shot.

JJ or Terry made a great comment at halftime, that the 4th down RG3 run that got stuffed at the 2 everyone knew was coming. The predictability in playcalling hasn't changed in 3 1/2 years.

Defensively, losing 2 starting safeties, Orakpo & Carriker is a problem....but the only real impact has been the safeties. The CBs are healthy, albeit terrible, and MS is in charge of personnel....this is 100% his shootin' match, personnel and all.

I'm not fixated on record, I'm fixated on improvement....outside of RG3 there has been no drastic improvement in this team. Our OL is still middle of the road and weak at RT. Our D front 7 is solid, but our secondary is a wreck. This team is undisciplined.

It's time for a change at the end of the season. Give Bruce Allen the GM reigns and find a coach who's wants to coach, not be a personnel guy. No retreads either (Cowher/Gruden), get a well respected coordinator or college coach who can make the transition.

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[quote=punch it in;961009]Did he mean evaluate talent as in the starters and seeing which of them are going to fight and which of them arent? Or evaluate talent in a training camp - lets check out the young guys way?


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My guess is he's going to be evaluating the starters to see which ones are going to stay and which ones are going to go. Williams and Hall a definitely goners. At this point, you have to move on without Fletcher as well unless something drastically changes. ALL of our draft picks next year better be defense.(with RT being the exception)

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I was calling for this thread to be closed last week and now it makes sense to keep it up.

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While we are it pilling it on Shanahan, he cost Obama the election according to the Redskin rule. :)

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;961012]My guess is he's going to be evaluating the starters to see which ones are going to stay and which ones are going to go. Williams and Hall a definitely goners. At this point, you have to move on without Fletcher as well unless something drastically changes. ALL of our draft picks next year better be defense.(with RT being the exception)[/QUOTE]

Totally agree with everything. I guess im questioning him throwing in the towel. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that what he meant was - " now that our season is in serious jeopardy it is going to give us a chance to evaluate which of these guys fights and which doesnt. "
Did I just defend Shanahan? I better get some sleep. Between the hurricane and watching that game today I think I am mentally and physically exhausted.


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[QUOTE=Bushead;961017]I was calling for this thread to be closed last week and now it makes sense to keep it up.[/QUOTE]

LONG LIVE THE PHOENIX!


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Btw. This has been the easiest first half schedule the skins have seen in many years. Whata waste.

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;961030]Btw. This has been the easiest first half schedule the skins have seen in many years. Whata waste.[/QUOTE]

How? The giants, bucs, vikings, Steelers and falcons are all better than us

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[quote=skinsfaninok;961033]How? The giants, bucs, vikings, Steelers and falcons are all better than us[/quote]

I see that after the last few weeks. After beating NO, figured wins vs Rams, Cinci, Vikes, Bucs, Car and maybe Gmen. Had leads late vs NY and Atl. All for not. Rams will get a nice pick.

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If we are going to lose, I say we hire Jim Mora. At least the post game pressers would be entertaining.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;961040]If we are going to lose, I say we hire Jim Mora. At least the post game pressers would be entertaining.

[YT]Tie0tz7jGDI[/YT][/QUOTE]

Lol

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;961040]If we are going to lose, I say we hire Jim Mora. At least the post game pressers would be entertaining.

[YT]Tie0tz7jGDI[/YT][/QUOTE]

Great. That stays in my head for a solid hour if I even think about it.



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[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;961037]I see that after the last few weeks. After beating NO, figured wins vs Rams, Cinci, Vikes, Bucs, Car and maybe Gmen. Had leads late vs NY and Atl. All for not. Rams will get a nice pick.[/QUOTE]

The rams game killed us, we would have started 2-0 and it seems like a small deal but that helps the confidence of a rookie even more

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I vote Mike Ditka.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vIbNb1RZzlU#!]Mike Ditka Post Practice - YouTube[/url]

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I hope he gets fired who in the right mind gives up? He is herr just for the money i sware

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[quote=DirtBagZ;960800]This season is over, it will be a miracle if the team finishes 7-9. After this season it does matter. Obviously the Alfred Morris pick was huge, but how many running backs is Shanahan going to draft each year? With all of the other holes on the team what is the fascination with drafting so many RBs?

You look at the NY Giants in the 2005 Draft the only had [B]four[/B] draft picks

2nd Round (43 selection) Correy Webster DB
3rd Round (74 selection) Justin Tuck DE
4th Round (110 selection) Brandon Jacobs RB
6th Round (186 selection) Eric Moore DE

Three of those four were solid hits, Tuck obviously being a big time stud.

[B]The Skins just don't seem to hit on their drafts like that, period, which is why the team is where it is record wise[/B].[/quote]

That's one of the reasons I'm saying it doesn't matter if we fire Shanahan. We're going to suck next with or without Shanahan, and probably suck the year after that and the year after that...

Yeah, I know I'm being reactionary, but here's a thinking exercise: imagine you're a Broncos fan and the Raiders had drafted RGIII. Would you be worried that the Raiders would be a better team for the next decade? No, you wouldn't be. Why? Because they're the Raiders; they'll always suck. If we fire Shanahan after this season (a move to which I'm not necessarily opposed) then we'll just be having this discussion again in three years.

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[quote=Deivybaby;961079]I hope he gets fired who in the right mind gives up? He is herr just for the money i sware[/quote]Shanny was getting free money from the Broncos when he decided to take the Skins job. He's loaded, with a mansion back in Denver. He's not here just for the money.