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[quote=Swarley;961484]The injuries did not ruin our season, the injuries coupled with every other factor have ruined our season. As a matter of fact I don't know if our season has even been ruined. I expected a roller coaster season. Also It's much easier for an established team like the Patriots to get over injuries. When you're a young team that is trying to take it's first big step as a team, injuries are a killer.[/quote]

Stop making so much sense.

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ten and six?

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7 in a row or we dont go?

[QUOTE=Swarley;961484]The injuries did not ruin our season, the injuries coupled with every other factor have ruined our season. As a matter of fact I don't know if our season has even been ruined. I expected a roller coaster season. Also It's much easier for an established team like the Patriots to get over injuries. When you're a young team that is trying to take it's first big step as a team, injuries are a killer.[/QUOTE]

Just curious what you mean by " every other factor" exactly?

[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;961503]7 in a row or we dont go?[/QUOTE]

Haha. I remember 5 in a row or we dont go. My first ever skins home game was the dismantling of Dallas and Parcells when Cooley went off!

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I didn't really have a problem with what Shanahan said. I thought it was self-serving, sure (it usually is), but I didn't have a problem with him saying it.

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I do believe that Shanahan should be given the full year, but I also believe the handwriting is on the wall. Have to let the year play out, and if the team can manage 7 wins or more, then he should return. Having said that, I don't see this team getting to 7, and Snyder would be able to fire Shanny with minimal backlash.

This team is all about Griffin now, and his growth and satisfaction with the organization is of paramount importance going forward. Snyder is going to sit down with Robert in a fancy restaurant somewhere late in the season, and some frank discussions will take place. Like it or not, that's just how it is, and I am ok with it.

I don't believe that Mike would ever relinquish front office control at this point in his life, and I don't think he can win with total decision making authority. Snyder will then be able to make the move, and justify it.

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Mike Shanahans defense from 95-08:

95: 15th
96: 4th (Made playoffs)
[B]97: 5th (won super bowl)
98: 11th(won super bowl)[/B]
99: 7th
00: 24th (made playoffs)
01: 8th
02: 6th
03: 4th (Made playoffs)
04: 4th (made playoffs)
05: 15th (made playoffs)
06: 14th
07: 19th
08: 29th

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[quote=jdc65;961586] Having said that, I don't see this team getting to 7, and Snyder would be able to fire Shanny with minimal backlash.

This team is all about Griffin now, and his growth and satisfaction with the organization is of paramount importance going forward. Snyder is going to sit down with Robert in a fancy restaurant somewhere late in the season, and some frank discussions will take place. [/quote]

If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.

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[quote=punch it in;961592]If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.[/quote]

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

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Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.

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[quote=punch it in;961592]If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.[/quote]

Well, I don't know if Snyder will have a sit down with Griffin, but if he is even considering a possible HC change, he should at least get some feed back from RG before doing so. In other words, firing Shanahan if Griffin is 100% behind him would be a huge mistake in my opinion.

I think they would sit down and have a general discussion about life in DC, and Robert's overall thoughts about his first year. And then guage his impression of where the team is and where it is heading. Robert is the future here, Shanahan may or may not be.

It is common knowledge that Turner is still coaching because Rivers publicly and privately championed his return. Irsay said that he had sought Peyton's input to maintain continuity in Indy when Dungy retired. Jones did seek Romo's endorsement of Garrett before hiring him as HC, though that turned out to be a mistake. Certainly Kraft isn't discussing Belichick's future with Brady, but it's a good bet they do meet privately and talk about whatever is on Tom's mind.

It's just a smart business practice to keep your main guy happy, and communication is the best way to do it.

[QUOTE=Bucket;961596]Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.[/QUOTE]

You have been a Redskin fan for five minutes rite?

[QUOTE=skins89moss;961597]Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.[/QUOTE]

Dont get confused with that longevity nonsense. So if us "typical" redskins fans had faith in the likes of Steve Spurrier or Jim Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 would we have been better served? Again - its not the change that hurts us its the wrong decisions. Eventually we will get it rite. Thought we finally did with Shanny but now I dont. Just because he sticks around doesnt mean we will get better.

[QUOTE=punch it in;961600]Dont get confused with that longevity nonsense. So if us "typical" redskins fans had faith in the likes of Steve Spurrier or Jim Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 would we have been better served? Again - its not the change that hurts us its the wrong decisions. Eventually we will get it rite. Thought we finally did with Shanny but now I dont. Just because he sticks around doesnt mean we will get better.[/QUOTE]

That's what everyone is forgetting, Mike is in his 3 rd season as a HC for us and nothing has changed besides the phenom that is RG3, I give Mike props for the way they have groomed Griffin but he's the type of QB that can make it in any system. Other than griff this team is an embarrassment, people complain about the lack of talent but isn't that part of Mike's fault??

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;961601]That's what everyone is forgetting, Mike is in his 3 rd season as a HC for us and nothing has changed besides the phenom that is RG3, I give Mike props for the way they have groomed Griffin but he's the type of QB that can make it in any system. Other than griff this team is an embarrassment, people complain about the lack of talent but isn't that part of Mike's fault??[/QUOTE]

Nope. Ask Bucket. If you bought a Jason Taylor jersey it is all your fault.

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Reading some of these posts on here makes me think I'm dealing with this guy on this site

[IMG]http://i.t.com.com/i/lumiere/2005/12/19/10011-10011-20051219_165356-320x240.jpg[/IMG]

I mean who besides possibly Marty Schottenheimer did we pull the plug on too fast in the last 20 years after Gibbs that leads so many of you to believe there needs to be a "culture change" with the revolving door of coaches?
Richie Petitbon?
Terry Robiskie?
Norv had forever.
Spurrier
Zorn
Gibbs 2.0 - wasnt sticking around anyway
None of those guys were shit. None of them would have won or changed the culture if we had kept them around. They were all bad choices. What kind of thought goes into a statement about pulling the plug on Shanny and what kind of detriment that will have on the team? Apparently it has nothing to do with the last 20 years even though this is "typical " Redskin fans unfaithful itchy trigger finger bullshit. Yeah I guess your rite - wish we had held onto Terry Robiskie or Steve Spurrier! What a mistake.

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[quote=punch it in;961602]Nope. Ask Bucket. If you bought a Jason Taylor jersey it is all your fault.[/quote]

Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.

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I know as a fan it is disconcerting to start over with a new coach. New coach means new systems meaning new players brought in to fit the new systems. It does feel like starting all over from scratch again. On the surface, it would appear that 2 more years with Shanny is better than 2-3 years with a new guy.

But football is about good players playing with confidence, emotion, motivation, and belief in what they are doing. Players also need to feel the organization is doing the best job they can to bring in the right pieces to win. If they lose that confidence or start doubting the direction, it is virtually impossible to be successful.

As fans, we don't know exactly what the players are thinking, but typically when someone on the outside is asking questions, it's a good bet that those on the inside are asking them to. At this point, fans have a reason to ask if the team is heading in the right direction. It's only natural the players may be asking as well.

I take Shanahan's remarks as he isn't sure if players are still buying into what he is selling, and he is putting them on notice. That he is worried about losing the lockerroom, and the character issue is more about playing within the schemes than playing hard.

If players decide the coach is a goner or the scheme is broke or other players aren't cutting it, they'll play for themselves. Which means bypasssing specific assignments and taking risks to make a big play. That very well is what appears to me to be happening, and a justifiable reason to consider making a change.

Problem is most fans have just gotten so used to losing that shanny isn't any different than previous coaches so why make a change?

Bucket lets not blame the fan base for anything. Shanny is a big boy - i dont think some thread about Gruden ever made it to his desk but if it had im pretty sure it didnt affect his work. Lol. Snyder wants to give him his five years that is fine. I get all the stuff about this team was shit. It was. He inherited a big stinky pile of shit. The problem is that it is not getting incrementally better. It is getting incrementally worse. Do u know what I base that opinion on? Football games. I know - strange rite - to base your opinion of a head coach on how his team performs on the field ( that was big sarcasm). Last week against the Steelers and this week against the Panthers are two of the worst games Ive seen in a while. After this season - which imo is 6 wins - AT BEST - give him two more years. Just so I never have to hear another person say - two more years again.
Edit: also Bucket - you seem to be under this impression that if we shower MS with love and praise he will coach better - i have news for you - he diesnt give a shit what me or you thinks about him. Trust me. Do you really think personnel decisions , etc are based on the court of public opinion? Its the NFL not American ****ing Idol.

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[quote=punch it in;961610]Bucket lets not blame the fan base for anything. Shanny is a big boy - i dont think some thread about Gruden ever made it to his desk but if it had im pretty sure it didnt affect his work. Lol. Snyder wants to give him his five years that is fine. I get all the stuff about this team was shit. It was. He inherited a big stinky pile of shit. The problem is that it is not getting incrementally better. It is getting incrementally worse. Do u know what I base that opinion on? Football games. I know - strange rite - to base your opinion of a head coach on how his team performs on the field ( that was big sarcasm). Last week against the Steelers and this week against the Panthers are two of the worst games Ive seen in a while. After this season - which imo is 6 wins - AT BEST - give him two more years. Just so I never have to hear another person say - two more years again.
Edit: also Bucket - you seem to be under this impression that if we shower MS with love and praise he will coach better - i have news for you - he diesnt give a shit what me or you thinks about him. Trust me. Do you really think personnel decisions , etc are based on the court of public opinion? Its the NFL not American ****ing Idol.[/quote]

I'm not saying praise the man. Everyone wants him on the chopping block when the man was nothing but honest.

Can you actually say that our team wouldn't be doing better with at least 1-2 or our players on the field? I guess we will find out against the Eagles.

I know Shanahan doesn't give two shits about what we say, but the other realistic fans here do. No, i'm not including you.

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It does matter what the fans say or think. Yesterday was a big game for Washington, at home with the 80th anniversary hoopla, playing an apparently inferior opponent in a declared must win situation. They didn't just lose, they lost with unenthusiastic and uninspired play. The stands appeared darn near empty well before the final gun went off. That's money coming out of Snyder's pocket. Uninspired play produces an uninspired fanbase affecting ticket sales, tv and radio ratings, concessions and merchandise sales.

It's still a business, and more than wins or losses, it's about making money. Empty stands and an unhappy, nonspending fanbase are a surefire way to see changes made. November, December, and January is when the big money is made, and for the 3rd year under Shanny, football is irrelevant in DC. Expecting playoff contention in the 3rd year was reasonable, but showing improvement is an absolute must. At least sell hope. Who is going to keep spending money watching this crap?

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[quote=punch it in;961605]I mean who besides possibly Marty Schottenheimer did we pull the plug on too fast in the last 20 years after Gibbs that leads so many of you to believe there needs to be a "culture change" with the revolving door of coaches?
Richie Petitbon?
Terry Robiskie?
Norv had forever.
Spurrier
Zorn
Gibbs 2.0 - wasnt sticking around anyway
None of those guys were shit. None of them would have won or changed the culture if we had kept them around. They were all bad choices. What kind of thought goes into a statement about pulling the plug on Shanny and what kind of detriment that will have on the team? Apparently it has nothing to do with the last 20 years even though this is "typical " Redskin fans unfaithful itchy trigger finger bullshit. Yeah I guess your rite - wish we had held onto Terry Robiskie or Steve Spurrier! What a mistake.[/quote]

The difference between the above mentioned and the atrocity called Mike Shanahan is that the above guys didn't have the luxury of being handed the best QB in the history of the game (arguably, top 5 no argument), riding him and Terell Davis to two Super Bowls, and then in 14 years after that man retires, said coach wins ONE playoff game. ONE!!!!!!!!! But the above mentioned didnt have the success in 96-98, so Mike gets a pass, cause he has proven in the subsequent 14 years that he knows how to team build. He didn't even have to build a majority of the team in Denver, they had been to plenty of playoffs before Mike.

Face it kids, the longer mike grinds the gears here in DC, the longer its gonna take for WHOEVER to fix it. (RG3. Too bad he cannot overcome mount shanahan for a shot at being competitive now)

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[quote=Bucket;961606]Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

[B][I]"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."[/I][/B]
[B][/B]
[B][I]That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.[/I][/B]

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.[/quote]


I am so tired of people bringing excuses that Mike Shanahan says to use in his defense.

If anything, he is making the haters point for him. He is blaming everyone else, and buying more time (5 years, again, bullshit). He is almost like Obama, who keeps blaming Bush. Enough already, and do something for yourself, or please crawl away somewhere with your non accountable ass.

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[quote=Bucket;961614]I'm not saying praise the man. Everyone wants him on the chopping block when the man was nothing but honest.

Can you actually say that our team wouldn't be doing better with at least 1-2 or our players on the field? I guess we will find out against the Eagles.

I know Shanahan doesn't give two shits about what we say, but the other realistic fans here do. No, i'm not including you.[/quote]

Wow Bucket, never figured you for a finger pointer nanee nanee boo boo name caller. Nice to know. It's also nice to know that if you are content with continual failure and a sub par product, you are now labeled as being "realistic"

I for one would like to keep my "Unrealistic" banner, wave it from high on the mountain, and hope and pray that my team becomes relevant again.

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[quote=skins89moss;961597]Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.[/quote]

I agree; it's important that the organization does not react like rash fans. Thing is, under Shanahan, the team may or it may not get better; three years is enough so that a coach should be showing improvement. And in other organizations, it would be time to call it quits on the coach and move on. But creating a stable organizational culture is more important right now than an attempt to find the perfect coach. Other changes can be made; replace Haslett, tweak the roster without losing the character guys, and let Shanahan have his five years. That way the Skins can continue to attempt to improve without risking stability. After five years, FO can make the change (if it's needed) and bring in someone new.

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[quote=Bucket;961596]Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.[/quote]

Thats right, its the fans fault.
Lets ged rid of the fans.
Then we can make this a My Little Pony forum instead of football.

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punch, why is it so important that you have every other post in this thread?

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[quote=Bucket;961606]Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500.[/quote]Most fans here, including the ones in this thread that support letting Shanny go, aren't expecting the "Indy 500", but in 3 1/2 years with a supportive owner you should be at least in the middle of the pack with a clear path on what needs to be done to get to the front within a year or two. Right now we've got RG3, a bunch of "player evaluations", no discipline/accountability from anyone, and a 6-10 record at best.

[quote]"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."[/quote]Didn't see the presser, but if this is what Shanny said, another reason to dump this clown at the end of the season. He sounds like my 19 yr. old when he's done something @ss stupid, then makes excuses for his stupidity.

Man the F up, the guy is getting paid $ 7M / yr.

[quote]That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.[/quote]Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

[quote]The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now.[/quote]No, hiring decisions by Snyder (outside of Gibbs 2.0) are the reason we are where we are. Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?

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As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;961649]As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.[/quote]Great point.

[QUOTE=That Guy;961645]punch, why is it so important that you have every other post in this thread?[/QUOTE]

You know what man. I ignored your comment over in your tv thread. It was Funny! Ok. Funny! I went into that thread thinking it was about Shanny. I was confused. I pointed that out and left it alone. So dont call me a troll. Dont tell me " way to keep it classy".
Also now your panties are in a bunch because i have posted alot in this thread. Ill tell you what man - instead of letting me consume your every thought and acting like you know what kind of person i am - an classless attention whore- i guess. Instead just ****ing ignore me so I dont feel like your stalking my posts just to make some stupid remark.

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[quote=GTripp0012;961649]As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.[/quote]

unrelated, but don't you think your sig is kinda out dated?

as for your question, has somebody specifically said that RG3 can't handle that? or are you basing it on us not using it, because that could be on the WR's, or the OC just doesn't use it in the game plan. Either one could be an issue obviously, but your question implies that someone came out and said that Griffin isn't learning it quick enough.

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Another clarification:

I have seen in this thread people quoting all sorts of times for MS' tenure here. He has had 2 1/2 years of games:
1st season - regular, no distractions - 16 games
2nd season - lockout, no real off-season -16 games
3rd season (1/2 done) - ref lockout, 18 million deduction to this year's cap - 9 games

it's not 3 1/2 years, nor 3 full seasons. Let's see where this one ends, and (for me) - next year's moves. I expect that if we do stay the course we will see many good things (the defensive backups that stay will provide solid depth, returning starters will provide solid play, new FS/SS/CB will have to prove themselves, etc) but then kool-aid always makes the vision clearer.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;961656]Another clarification:

I have seen in this thread people quoting all sorts of times for MS' tenure here. He has had 2 1/2 years of games:
1st season - regular, no distractions - 16 games
2nd season - lockout, no real off-season -16 games
3rd season (1/2 done) - ref lockout, 18 million deduction to this year's cap - 9 games

it's not 3 1/2 years, nor 3 full seasons. Let's see where this one ends, and (for me) - next year's moves. I expect that if we do stay the course we will see many good things (the defensive backups that stay will provide solid depth, returning starters will provide solid play, new FS/SS/CB will have to prove themselves, etc) but then kool-aid always makes the vision clearer.[/quote]good call, it just feels like 3 1/2 yrs. already.

and 18M deduction this yr. and next was due to cap penalties incurred in 2010 season and done under MS's watch.

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anyone know where to find the Hoodie Mike had on Sunday?

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First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half and has 5 more wins than Shanahan)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;961672]anyone know where to find the Hoodie Mike had on Sunday?[/quote]

In the trash. It's bad luck.