[QUOTE=donofriose;961677]First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.[/QUOTE]

What he said🔝

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[quote=Lotus;961679]In the trash. It's bad luck.[/quote]


O now Lotus, FEDEX FIELD is bad luck!

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[quote=donofriose;961677]First three seasons
[B]Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won. [/B]
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.[/quote]




That is so bad. UGH

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[quote=GTripp0012;961649]As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.[/quote]

What are you talking about? He gets to run option plays, go out for passes to get decapitated and QB sweeps w/out the option to pass! :towel: This is really preparing to become the next Aaron Rodgers!

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[quote=donofriose;961677]First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half and has 5 more wins than Shanahan)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.[/quote]

Ok.....I'm even more sold than I was yesterday.
Shanahan and his entourage need to go at the end of the season.

Here's the thing, Jason Garrett is on the hotseat in Dallas and he has been there pretty much the same length as Mike. Garrett has a better record but because WINNING is just the way it is on Dallas he's about to get fired, u know say what u want about Jerry but he does not accept losing, yeah he hasn't had great teams lately but he has won 3 superbowls and they did go 13-3 a few years back. When is the last time a redskins team won 13 games?? What 1991? Losing has become acceptable in DC and that's why most don't want Mike fired because fans just assume the next guy will be a loser as well. It's sad really.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;961698]Here's the thing, Jason Garrett is on the hotseat in Dallas and he has been there pretty much the same length as Mike. Garrett has a better record but because WINNING is just the way it is on Dallas he's about to get fired, u know say what u want about Jerry but he does not accept losing, yeah he hasn't had great teams lately but he has won 3 superbowls and they did go 13-3 a few years back. When is the last time a redskins team won 13 games?? What 1991? Losing has become acceptable in DC and that's why most don't want Mike fired because fans just assume the next guy will be a loser as well. It's sad really.[/quote]

I agree. A lot of the other organizations in the NFL don't tolerate losing at all. Coughlin almost lost his job year because the Giants only accept winning. We honestly are trying to be mediocre again. Not terrible, not great, but our fanbase things if we become average we might as well won the superbowl.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;961648]
Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

[B]No, hiring decisions by Snyder [I](outside of Gibbs 2.0) [/I]are the reason we are where we are.[/B] Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?[/quote]
Since you referenced Gibbs 2.0 I will rail once again about how his return to the Redskins set this franchise back 5+ years and we are now suffering from some of the blunderous moves in his era. Let's start with the trading of draft picks for Mark Brunell, then not re-signing Fred Smoot causing a need at CB (which was filled with drafting Rogers rather than drafting Demarcus Ware), then making a pre-draft trade for Denver's first round pick in expectation that their pre determined QB of the future would be there at 25 rather than wait until the day of the draft where they likely would have been able to trade into the 1st round to draft Aaron Rodgers instead of Campbell who went one pick later. TJ Duckett anyone? How about the fact that over a 4 year span he drafted 21 players? How about over those 21 draft picks only 6 were in the first 3 rounds? Not to mention when he left, it was an old, expensive team built for a 2007 playoff run. Vinny further screwed the team with awful 2008 and 2009 drafts that yielded 3 players still on the roster.

The point of this isn't to 'blame' the past but in response to 'why can't this team turn things around like others'? Why do the Pats, Steelers and Giants reload rather than rebuild? Because they have a consistent program, a foundation to build from. The Pats have a consistent program that's been in place for over a decade. The Steelers have had consistency in their philosophy since the 90's. The Giants are on the third generation of their philosophy from George Young, who taught Ernie Acorsi who taught Jerry Reese. We haven't had that, not even close.

The 49ers had a ton of early first round picks that finally came together last year under Harbaugh, that's how they came together. The Colts this year, while surprising were a playoff team 2 years ago and were awful because they had no QB. Tampa and the Vikings (2 of our wins coincidentally) are inconsistent because they are still learning to win as well.

It may not seem like it after the past 2 games but our future [B][I][U]is[/U][/I][/B] bright. We have 3 foundation pieces in place (QB, LT, RB) with potentially a pass rushing duo that when healthy can be very productive. As Schefter said last week, is there another team in the division with a more promising future than us? Why derail it by throwing out the system and starting all over again, again!?!

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Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.

edit: Whatever happened to "doing it the right way" and "5 years" and "patience" and "Snyder meddling" and "coaching carousel" and "we've changed"? Did we think we just say those things and we still get instant gratification? OK, that's all I wanted to add.

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[quote=HailGreen28;961701]Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.[/quote]

In one season and half Harbaugh has 5 more wins than Mike's two season and half. In what way has this team improved? We were always competitive but so is every team in the NFL. He has done nothing to prove that he deserves to be here.

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I feel it's better to keep Mike Shanahan as the HC. Let him continue rebuilding this team. Let him remain until his 5 year contract is up and if the Redskins still haven't shown overall improvement by then, just don't re-sign him. It's a trying situation because I don't want to see a coach fired and then have RG3 go through the exact same BS that Jason Campbell went through with having to learn a new playbook every year. Let Mike Shanahan continue to do what he does.

Last year the defense was the Redskins strength and the offense was average. This year the offense is TOP GUN and the defense smells awfully bad and is holding the team back. At what point do you have a season in which both the offense and the defense are top 10 and the Redskins are consistent winners week in and week out because of it? It's a really trying situation.

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[quote=Bucket;961596]Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.[/quote]

Do you even like the Redskins?

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[quote=donofriose;961702]In one season and half Harbaugh has 5 more wins than Mike's two season and half. In what way has this team improved? We were always competitive but so is every team in the NFL. He has done nothing to prove that he deserves to be here.[/quote]

Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.

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[quote=Bucket;961606]Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. [B]He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about [/B]

[B]"Why not Bill Cowher?"[/B]
[B]"Should of got Gruden"[/B]

[B]etc[/B]
[B]etc[/B]

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.[/quote]

I agree with this post other then saying he was doomed from the start.

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[quote=HailGreen28;961701]Two and a half seasons in the Shanny tenure, and we're begging for Dan Snyder to hire another HC.

This thread has become unwatchable, just like the presidential elections thread. Too ******* stupid.

edit: Whatever happened to "doing it the right way" and "5 years" and "patience" and "Snyder meddling" and "coaching carousel" and "we've changed"? Did we think we just say those things and we still get instant gratification? OK, that's all I wanted to add.[/quote]

Some of us are paying close(r) attention to what transpires :)

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[quote=Paintrain;961711]Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.[/quote]

Before Harbaugh a lot of those players were not names you can list off like that. Singletary went 5-10 with a lot of those same players. We had carlos rogers so to list him makes us seem dumb to let him go. Unlike the 49ers Shanahan cannot make significant draft picks outside the 1st and 2nd round. Bowman, Snyder and gholdson were not high draft picks. The 49ers are only one example, what the Giants did the first three years under coughlin also showed they were building a team. What we have done under Mikes tenure is lose one more game every season. To say that some one inherits a talented team is basically saying the coach gets the most of his players unlike the coach before him. That is what Harbuagh does, that is what Coughlin does, that is what Sean payton does, Belichick, Smith, all the good coaches in the NFL. Coaches get the best out of their players... Shanahan does not do that. Orakpo, Kerrigan, Carriker, Fred Davis, Trent Williams, Landry, Rogers, Fletcher (excluding this year) Redskins are talented, but its obvious they are not coached to be the best they can be.

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[quote=Paintrain;961711]Can't compare us to SF. Harbaugh inherited a solid offense with Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Adam Snyder, Justin Smiley, Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis (a complete OL drafted in rounds 1-3 in years '04-'10) not to mention Patrick Willis, Dashon Goldson, Navarro Bowman, Shawnte Spencer on defense. Add in Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers in free agency. Their talent base far surpassed what Shanahan has ever had with the Redskins. They had 15 first and second round picks from '04-'10 predating Harbaugh, including 3 drafts with multiple first round picks. We had 10, three of those were 2nd round picks in 2008 which we all know how those turned out.

It's simply a flawed comparison that isn't realistic.[/quote]

Harbaugh also didn't come in and try and trade for an over the hill QB. He coached up what he had and molded a low risk offense around Smith. Mike wasn't willing to do that so he has to be held accountable cause the trade blew up in his face.

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[quote=The Goat;961713]Some of us are paying close(r) attention to what transpires :)[/quote]
Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

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[quote=donofriose;961715][B]Before Harbaugh a lot of those players were not names you can list off like that.[/B] Singletary went 5-10 with a lot of those same players. We had carlos rogers so to list him makes us seem dumb to let him go. Unlike the 49ers Shanahan cannot make significant draft picks outside the 1st and 2nd round. Bowman, Snyder and gholdson were not high draft picks. The 49ers are only one example, what the Giants did the first three years under coughlin also showed they were building a team. What we have done under Mikes tenure is lose one more game every season. To say that some one inherits a talented team is basically saying the coach gets the most of his players unlike the coach before him. That is what Harbuagh does, that is what Coughlin does, that is what Sean payton does, Belichick, Smith, all the good coaches in the NFL. Coaches get the best out of their players... Shanahan does not do that. Orakpo, Kerrigan, Carriker, Fred Davis, Trent Williams, Landry, Rogers, Fletcher (excluding this year) Redskins are talented, but its obvious they are not coached to be the best they can be.[/quote] If you were paying attention you could. The Niners were a 'sleeping giant' for years out west. Remember, most pundits picked them to win the West the year Singletary crapped the bed with them. They had talent but needed it to come together. Can you say we've had comparable talent? Really? No other team has completely remade their roster and had fast success.

So based on you rattling off Harbaugh, Coughlin, Belichick, Smith all of the 'good coaches' are you implying that any of them would be winning with our current roster (and injuries) AND that talent is secondary to coaching ability?

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[quote=skinsfan69;961716]Harbaugh also didn't come in and try and trade for an over the hill QB. He coached up what he had and molded a low risk offense around Smith. Mike wasn't willing to do that so he has to be held accountable cause the trade blew up in his face.[/quote]

Yes, Shanahan made a bad trade for McNabb. Any other 2010 thread topics you'd like to revisit? Are you suggesting fire him now for a 2010 move?

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[quote=Paintrain;961717]Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?[/quote]

Although I doubt if Shanahan gets fired, I'll answer these questions.

#1. I would prefer having GM Bruce Allen picking the players.

#2. If Mike Shanahan is fired, I would pick a coach like Mike Singletary. Singletary wasn't good in SF, but neither was Bellichick in Cleveland.

#3. I would employ a west coast offense. If Singletary opts not to keep Kyle Shanahan around, I would definitely see Brian Schottenhiemer or maybe somebody who is well versed in the west coast system.

#4. I like that DC from Notre Dame. He runs a crushing 34 defense.

#5. Hard to answer this question. But I would get draft picks and key free agents to bolster this defensive system. I like who we already have, but the entire secondary would be revamped.

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[quote=Paintrain;961717]Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?[/quote]

This should be a fresh thread.

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LOL! Mike Singletary? You gotta be kidding me! Brian Schottenhiemer has already been in Washington. While I [I]could[/I] be wrong, I doubt he'd want to ever come back.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961723]This should be a fresh thread.[/quote]

Consider it done..

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Though I wouldn't do it, I don't know if it shouldn't happen either. It appears he's lost the team to an extent and I'm getting sick of his excuses. Just waiting for the new scapegoat to hide behind. DeAngelo Hall?

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;961733] It appears he's lost the team to an extent[/quote]

UUmm...no

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um, belichick started in cleveland, not the with patriots, so he didn't come close to winning a SB in his 2nd year.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Paintrain;961720]Yes, Shanahan made a bad trade for McNabb. Any other 2010 thread topics you'd like to revisit? Are you suggesting fire him now for a 2010 move?[/quote]

No..it's too many other things, not just the McNabb deal. I'd like to see him go but for the sake of RG3 hopefully gets one more year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958392]That would have been a ton of money to spend on a band aid.[/quote]


You are more of a cap whiz than I am, but was that not the going rate for that type of band aid at the time? I am not talking about Garcon, but Josh Morgan. Who else was available and what was their going rate?

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[quote=NC_Skins;961734]UUmm...no[/quote]

How do you know? Ive heard inside sources say he has

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[quote=htownskinfan;961744]How do you know? Ive heard inside sources say he has[/quote]

I assume you are being funny.

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[quote=htownskinfan;961744]How do you know? Ive heard inside sources say he has[/quote]

Iv'e heard inside sources that say he hasn't.

See what I did there?

[QUOTE=Bucket;961756]Iv'e heard inside sources that say he hasn't.

See what I did there?[/QUOTE]

Made a sarcastic comment with no real substance and an overused tag line at the end?

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[quote=NC_Skins;961734]UUmm...no[/quote]

DONT YOU QUESTION ME!!!!! Seriously though, to an extent I feel he has. I mean Lorenzo wasn't too happy about his comments, and according to reports he isn't the only one pissed about it. Look at the penalties we're racking up? The outburst by players? I don't know. Just doesn't seem like a smart coached team at the moment IMO.

Wheels are coming off.

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From frequent Shanahan critic Jason Reid, [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-deserves-a-chance-to-build-upon-rgiii-foundation/2012/11/06/23012622-281e-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html]Mike Shanahan deserves a chance to build upon RGIII foundation - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Paintrain;961784]From frequent Shanahan critic Jason Reid, [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-deserves-a-chance-to-build-upon-rgiii-foundation/2012/11/06/23012622-281e-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html]Mike Shanahan deserves a chance to build upon RGIII foundation - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Fair points, I'd have to agree

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[quote=punch it in;961782]Made a sarcastic comment with no real substance and an overused tag line at the end?[/quote]

You nailed it

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[quote=Paintrain;961719]If you were paying attention you could. The Niners were a 'sleeping giant' for years out west. Remember, most pundits picked them to win the West the year Singletary crapped the bed with them. They had talent but needed it to come together. Can you say we've had comparable talent? Really? No other team has completely remade their roster and had fast success.

So based on you rattling off Harbaugh, Coughlin, Belichick, Smith all of the 'good coaches' are you implying that any of them would be winning with our current roster (and injuries) AND that talent is secondary to coaching ability?[/quote]

Many considered the skins a sleeping a giant. We were always in games but because of questionable coaching and the lack of a QB we couldn't win. We have the QB and now we are still losing. Yes I believe a better coach would build a team that would show a lot more progress than we have had the past three years. Coughlin took the Jaguars to the playoffs multiple times, the giants were not "talented" until he took over, same thing with Belichick with the Patriots and Smith with the Falcons. Part of being a great coach is getting the best out of the talent you have.

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[quote=donofriose;961797]Many considered the skins a sleeping a giant. We were always in games but because of questionable coaching and the lack of a QB we couldn't win. [B]We have the QB and now we are still losing.[/B] Yes I believe a better coach would build a team that would show a lot more progress than we have had the past three years. Coughlin took the Jaguars to the playoffs multiple times, the giants were not "talented" until he took over, same thing with Belichick with the Patriots and Smith with the Falcons. Part of being a great coach is getting the best out of the talent you have.[/quote]

Who considered us a sleeping giant in 2010? C'mon dude, we were a well earned laughingstock.

Agreed, we are still losing. Understand we are missing our #1 WR, our #1 TE, our starting RT, best pass rusher, starting DE and both projected starting safeties. Do you think any of those would make a difference in our record or it is all on Shanahan the coach?

Do you distinguish between the coach and the GM? I give the GM a 5 for roster composition but the coach an 8 for us being competitive in each game. Even the Steeler game if we execute we are in the game. The last 3 games have been crippled by turnovers (NYG), dropped passes (PIT), penalties (CAR) and blown assignments/missed tackles (ALL). We've had 3 TD taken off the board by penalties in those games. Think those are on the coaches ability to get the best out of the talent you have? Those end up on the coach because he has to get them to execute but do you think the players are not put in position to make winning plays?