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More like what was the GM or front office thinking?

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[quote=Mattyk;968559]Brees was a pretty big medical risk at the time.[/quote]

The Saints sign medical-risk Brees and look like geniuses. The Skins add medical-risk Brown and everyone complains a few years later. Yet the only difference is luck (or lack of it) in recovery from injuries.

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[quote=Lotus;968566]The Saints sign medical-risk Brees and look like geniuses. The Skins add medical-risk Brown and everyone complains a few years later. Yet the only difference is luck (or lack of it) in recovery from injuries.[/quote]

Yup good point. If Brees didn't come back like he did the Saints are probably still known as the Aints. He was worth the risk, obviously.

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[quote=Lotus;968566]The Saints sign medical-risk Brees and look like geniuses. The Skins add medical-risk Brown and everyone complains a few years later. Yet the only difference is luck (or lack of it) in recovery from injuries.[/quote]good call, brown was still in his 20s when we traded for him, could have really helped out here for years.

but that didn't happen

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[quote=Mattyk;968569]Yup good point. If Brees didn't come back like he did the Saints are probably still known as the Aints. He was worth the risk, obviously.[/quote]

Brees could have easily ended up like Chad Pennington. Lucky for the Saints (and Brees) he didn't.

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Anyone else watch Rivers at the end of the game yesterday?


I was thinking about this thread as he drove for the loss...throwing an INT into triple-coverage in the end zone, where all three Bengals were IN FRONT of his WR who had zero chance to get anywhere near the ball...on 4th down, after throwing three straight passes in the red zone nowhere near any of his own players on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs. What a disaster.

Bad coach, sure, but we can't blame lack of talent for Rivers' decline and failures. He has had the best TE in the game for years, along with the best FB and good RBs with names like Sproles and Mathews when healthy. His WRs have usually been solid and above-average, even after V-Jax left. Malcolm Floyd and Robert Meachem are solid...if he could get the ball into their hands.

I think he's developed the same mental block as Cutler. When things get tough, their brain just shuts down and they make horrible decisions...then cry about it.

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[quote=Mattyk;968569]Yup good point. If Brees didn't come back like he did the Saints are probably still known as the Aints. He was worth the risk, obviously.[/quote]

Or they are the Miami Dolphins who signed Culpepper instead of Brees. For Brees, it was essentially either N.O. or Miami - and Miami had a legitimate shot. Brees picks NO and Miami trades for Culpepper.

In looking for something on the story, I found this: [url=http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2009/10/let-me-just-say-this-dolphins-coach-nick-saban-said-wednesday-in-addressing-the-subject-directly-for-the-first-time-it-wa.html]The full story on why Brees isn't a Dolphin | Miami Dolphins In Depth[/url]

Reading it, I remember the draft where Miami passed on Brees. In it SD and Atlanta traded spots in the first round and SD got Tomlinson and Brees and Atlanta got Vick. Brees was the 2nd QB off the board after Vick as the first pick in the 2nd round. Interesting how these things play out.

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Rivers has thrown some of the worst interceptions I have ever seen.
A former Charger said on a local post game show that Rivers is throwing those interceptions so he can get out of town.
That is pretty hard to believe but so is the following GIF.

Rivers has definitely finished off Norv.

[IMG]http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/marmpick.gif[/IMG]

From Yesterday:
[IMG]http://i2.wp.com/gifsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/rivers-int-12-2-12.gif?resize=550%2C307[/IMG]

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if he does want out of town, these are definitely freudian slips.

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It looks like he's throwing the shot put.

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[quote=Mattyk;968148]Vick is already at coach killer status if you ask me. He's the first name that came to mind.

I wouldn't put Rivers in the conversation. The talent around him has really dropped off the last couple years.[/quote]

For a while Vick carried what I would call the dreaded "winner" label. To me when you're labeled a winner it means you have huge holes your game but you have enough highlights to acquire a large following of apologists as well as a winning record thats almost always the product of a great defense and running game. When a QB is at the top of their game we call them elite, franchise, pro bowler, etc.

Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Peyton, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees. No one calls these guys winners. Okay Brady near the start of his career but soon after that he was able to impose his will on any defense after which he went from being a winner to elite quarterback.

Right now the "winners" at QB are as follows:
Cam Newton - "He's won everywhere he's been....except the NFL but thats not his fault."

Tim Tebow - "He just wins".....yeah but thats only if he has an elite defense that can keep the game close enough for him to put up the 14th or 17th point on the board. Broncos 23rd in total offense for 2011, 5th in 2012.

Mark Sanchez - Alright he stepped his game up in the playoffs as a rookie and a sophmore but ironically being able to perform in the playoffs means nothing if you can't even get there.......weird problem to have.

Michael Vick - For years could not pass to save his life and when he was on the street as a free agent people tried to lobby for him saying he was a winner. Ironically when he was an MVP candidate with the Eagles the winner label got dropped in favor of him being called an elite QB.


I don't know maybe it's just me but when I hear someone call a player a "winner" I feel like someones trying to sell me on a girl by saying "well, she has a great personalty." lol