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get ready for 5 years of rebuilding!there will no doubt be a ny castoff(kerry collins)or one of the many ex raven qbs backing up campbell next year.say goodbye to rock and sellers too.
snyder is now the laughing stock of the whole damn league!

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[QUOTE=rstone1979;411726]1-15 here we come. If the giants fired Fassel and the Ravens fired Fassel what good could he possibly do here?? We might as well hire Jimmy Johnson and Andy Ried. Any other rival coaches we can hire?[/QUOTE]

Browns fired Belichick, Jaguars fired Coughlin, Bucs fired Dungy. So what exactly is your point?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411735]Browns fired Belichick, Jaguars fired Coughlin, Bucs fired Dungy. So what exactly is your point?[/QUOTE]

The difference of course being that they all went to teams with top-notch front offices who've made wise use of the draft and have a history of smart personnel moves.

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Let us do it!
Fisher deserves a Super Bowl and we would have Schwartz


[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;411724]So long as no draft pick compensation exchanges hands for Rex Ryan then I can live with these moves. I must say, however, that I rather like the suggestion in JLC's latest blog whereby Ryan would stay in B'More, Jim Schwartz would come to DC as DC, and Gregg Williams would go back to Tennessee and work with Jeff Fischer. Probably not going to happen, but it would just put a real 'A-Team' kind of ending on this whole deal (and I really like Jim Schwartz for some reason ... plus he's an Econ major from Georgetown, come on, what's not to love). In a strange way, bringing Schwartz in would also give a measure of continuity since he came up under Gregg in Nashville.[/QUOTE]

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Is anyone thinking this could be a decent move? We went semi low profile, we took our time. What if his coaching style is closer to Gibbs than Williams was? Just because he was on the staff does not mean once he controls the staff that things will be the same. At the very least at least he has been to Super Bowl as a head coach which is more than Washington has has since ummmmm oh yeah version 1.0

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I remenber seeing Gibbs interviewed on Comcast, shortly after he announced his retirement. When asked if he would back a decision to hire Gregg Williams as head coach, he never said "yes." He talked his way around it. As much as I love Gibbs, you never know what he's really thinking, because he's so careful about what he says in public. Anyways, Gregg Williams is my first choice. It would be sad to he him go.

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[QUOTE=21InOurHearts;411745]Is anyone thinking this could be a decent move? We went semi low profile, we took our time. What if his coaching style is closer to Gibbs than Williams was? Just because he was on the staff does not mean once he controls the staff that things will be the same. At the very least at least he has been to Super Bowl as a head coach which is more than Washington has has since ummmmm oh yeah version 1.0[/QUOTE]

If Dan Snyder wasn't lying when he said that he learned "patience" from Joe Gibbs, then we'll see how good a move this is.

Assuming it is Fassel that gets the nod, what happens if he stumbles out of the gate, finishes at 7-9 or so, and Bill Cowher is ready to coach football again in 2009?

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[QUOTE=21InOurHearts;411745]Is anyone thinking this could be a decent move? We went semi low profile, we took our time. What if his coaching style is closer to Gibbs than Williams was? Just because he was on the staff does not mean once he controls the staff that things will be the same. At the very least at least he has been to Super Bowl as a head coach which is more than Washington has has since ummmmm oh yeah version 1.0[/QUOTE]

He does bring some tangibles, but he also has never had back to back winning seasons. I know GW didn't have one in Buffalo and Bellichek didn't have one in Cleveland, but the difference is that Fassel had talent on those Giants teams

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I really do not understand why the people who are upset with this possible hiring are being persecuted.

Seriously why should we have to explain why this is a bad move. Honestly myself and my fellow Anti-Fassel people have sort of fallen off of our rocker in a few posts, but that is nothing but emotion over the thought of losing what Gibbs has rebuilt.

How can we cast aside a guy who kept a top defense together week after week when we were missing a starting CB or LB almost every week of the season, and then to lose Sean at the end of the year.

How can it be Al's fault that the offense isn't working when we lose the right side of the line in the first two weeks, play over half of the year without the top two WR's on the field.

Remember that team that only lost one game by over 7 points all season.

I understand that there are people here who are very much against both Williams and Saunders. It is even possible that Williams would not want Saunders around if he became coach. But why not give them a chance. If Dan is so unsure of what Gibbs did the last four years, how about he puts them on a one year leash and lets see what happens. After that fire sale all he wants if they fail. But I don't think they would have.

Do the people who are collectively fine with this potential hiring think that gutting this staff is just the shot in the arm that this team needed to get over the hump. The same way that that canning Casserly for getting us three first round draft picks did. Or the spending spree of 2000 did. Or how about Spurrier. What about all of those draft picks we traded away. Never mind stability is overrated.

I honestly believe that this team became a very close unit when Sean passed away. This team was very saddened to see Coach Gibbs step down. This is a very strong team, but gutting the coaches who were with them through the hard times makes no sense to me.

Fassel is said to be a players coach. He deserves a second chance in this league but I just don't believe it should be with us. Zorn has been learing from one of the best offensive minds in Seattle. I am sure he has a great deal of unknown potential. I just wish he didn't have to cut his teeth with our team. Rex Ryan has proven to be a great defensive mind, I just wish we could keep our own defensive mind around and not have to give away any draft picks.

I guess it is silly that us fans get attached to the idea of coaches and players being with a team for a long time. I guess were the kind of fans that should be rooting for teams like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, or Seattle. These teams have been very stable over the long haul as of recently.

Maybe this will work like it has for the Cowboys, Chargers, and Steelers. I sure as hell want this team to do well, and will still root for them. I guess I wont know how I really feel until the kool-aid is passed out.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;411749]If Dan Snyder wasn't lying when he said that he learned "patience" from Joe Gibbs, then we'll see how good a move this is.

Assuming it is Fassel that gets the nod, what happens if he stumbles out of the gate, finishes at 7-9 or so, and Bill Cowher is ready to coach football again in 2009?[/QUOTE]

That's one of the biggest concern really, that he's just here until Cowher comes along

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[quote=skinsnut;411556]
And lets dump our Defensive coordinator who helped the team through the murder of its best player just 1 month ago...

And best of all lets tell the players.
SCREW YOU....I dont CARE what you think!!"

[/quote]


I wonder if Snyder understands that there is a level of humanity that exists within the world of sports, in the locker room and on the field, and that it needs to be recognized for the sake of "chemistry." The way he goes about doing things, mistreating players and coaches, throwing continuity out the window, dismissing the wishes of his players, buying expensive players as though they are nothing more than pieces on a chessboard, it all leads me to believe that he sees his football team like he sees a business, and that the players and the coaches are nothing more than lifeless commodities, assets that can be viewed through calculation and market measurement, and nothing else. For many of his years as owner the team has underachieved, many times drastically; I don't mean that they haven't been good, I mean they did not perform to the expectations of just about everyone. They underachieve. Why? Perhaps they don't have the will to win, and why should they? They've never been assembled as a conducive unit, but rather as pieces being fit into a flawed machine, the design of which is the brainchild of Danny and Vinny, created in their dark little secretive rooms, sheltered from criticism and reason. The players are not viewed as teamates, but as investments, and the coaches not as leaders but as computers, or control systems.

Who cares what the players want, or the fans for that matter? Dan and Vinny will just continue down this road which, for nearly a decade now, how produced little else other than embarrassment and humiliation. And they will continue to do so privately, because deep down inside they know they are f*ck-ups, or else they wouldn't be so surreptitious about everything they do.

Oh, and before anyone responds with "Poor Dan Snyder, no matter what he does, he can never win," yeah, you're damn right. He can't win. That is why many of us are continually critical of him. He can never win, nor will he ever be humble enough to make the adjustments necessary for him, and the Redskins, [I]to[/I] win. Eff him.

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[quote=drew54;411766]I really do not understand why the people who are upset with this possible hiring are being persecuted.

Seriously why should we have to explain why this is a bad move. Honestly myself and my fellow Anti-Fassel people have sort of fallen off of our rocker in a few posts, but that is nothing but emotion over the thought of losing what Gibbs has rebuilt.

How can we cast aside a guy who kept a top defense together week after week when we were missing a starting CB or LB almost every week of the season, and then to lose Sean at the end of the year.

How can it be Al's fault that the offense isn't working when we lose the right side of the line in the first two weeks, play over half of the year without the top two WR's on the field.

Remember that team that only lost one game by over 7 points all season.

I understand that there are people here who are very much against both Williams and Saunders. It is even possible that Williams would not want Saunders around if he became coach. But why not give them a chance. If Dan is so unsure of what Gibbs did the last four years, how about he puts them on a one year leash and lets see what happens. After that fire sale all he wants if they fail. But I don't think they would have.

Do the people who are collectively fine with this potential hiring think that gutting this staff is just the shot in the arm that this team needed to get over the hump. The same way that that canning Casserly for getting us three first round draft picks did. Or the spending spree of 2000 did. Or how about Spurrier. What about all of those draft picks we traded away. Never mind stability is overrated.

I honestly believe that this team became a very close unit when Sean passed away. This team was very saddened to see Coach Gibbs step down. This is a very strong team, but gutting the coaches who were with them through the hard times makes no sense to me.

Fassel is said to be a players coach. He deserves a second chance in this league but I just don't believe it should be with us. Zorn has been learing from one of the best offensive minds in Seattle. I am sure he has a great deal of unknown potential. I just wish he didn't have to cut his teeth with our team. Rex Ryan has proven to be a great defensive mind, I just wish we could keep our own defensive mind around and not have to give away any draft picks.

I guess it is silly that us fans get attached to the idea of coaches and players being with a team for a long time. I guess were the kind of fans that should be rooting for teams like Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, or Seattle. These teams have been very stable over the long haul as of recently.

Maybe this will work like it has for the Cowboys, Chargers, and Steelers. I sure as hell want this team to do well, and will still root for them. I guess I wont know how I really feel until the kool-aid is passed out.[/quote]

I don't think there's going to be a massive player overhaul by any means. There will certainly be some changes due to the draft and the moves needed to get under the cap, but I don't foresee anything drastic.

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;411778]

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.[/QUOTE]

I don't like the idea of having to give up a draft pick to the Ravens for Ryan. Especially when he'll jump ship at the first head coaching stint he'll get offered.

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We lost Gibbs...the "continuity" and "chemistry" is irrelevant. Initially I was against the Fassel over Williams choice....but Fassel steering the ship, Ryan coaching D and the ?Seattle guy calling the offense, it might work. Dallas did a VERY similar thing and won 13 games. That being said, this could be a disaster. Its Snyder's world, we're just living in it.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;411778]I don't think there's going to be a massive player overhaul by any means. There will certainly be some changes due to the draft and the moves needed to get under the cap, but I don't foresee anything drastic.

And streamlining a staff that was riddled with associate head coaches and assistant head coaches isn't necessarily a bad thing. I liked the idea of Williams as head man, but the more I think about this potential structure- Fassel, Ryan, Zorn- the more I think it could be okay.[/QUOTE]

I agree that there were way too many coaches on this team. But this is what Joe wanted. Dan wanted Joe, Dan got Joe and his people.

The Giants have 19 coaches on staff. The Patriots 14. We had 21.

Now that Joe is gone, who is to say that Gregg wouldnt clean up the coaching roster some.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411769]That's one of the biggest concern really, that he's just here until Cowher comes along[/QUOTE]

Honestly this is my biggest fear as well.

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[quote=drew54;411787]I agree that there were way too many coaches on this team. But this is what Joe wanted. Dan wanted Joe, Dan got Joe and his people.

The Giants have 19 coaches on staff. The Patriots 14. We had 21.

Now that Joe is gone, who is to say that Gregg wouldnt clean up the coaching roster some.[/quote]

I think a scaling back of the coaching staff is going to happen regardless of who Danny hires.

It's pretty obvious Danny understands that good QBs are the key piece to a consistent playoff team. More than one "league expert" thinks Jason Campbell has all the tools necessary to be a pro-bowl QB. Fassel played QB in college, developed Simms and Elway, and went to a super bowl with Kerry Cocktail at the helm. Zorn was a good QB himself in Seattle and has developed Hasselbeck into a perennial pro-bowler. No doubt Danny is trying to making sure Jason has the best tutelage possible. I just hope he's right about axing Saunders.

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What is everyone going to say if we find out Joe Gibbs was involved in some form with this hiring?

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[QUOTE=GMScud;411794]I think a scaling back of the coaching staff is going to happen regardless of who Danny hires.

It's pretty obvious Danny understands that good QBs are the key piece to a consistent playoff team. More than one "league expert" thinks Jason Campbell has all the tools necessary to be a pro-bowl QB. Fassel played QB in college, developed Simms and Elway, and went to a super bowl with Kerry Cocktail at the helm. Zorn was a good QB himself in Seattle and has developed Hasselbeck into a perennial pro-bowler. No doubt Danny is trying to making sure Jason has the best tutelage possible. I just hope he's right about axing Saunders.[/QUOTE]

The important question is...what does this do to the value of my Jim Zorn rookie card?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;411769]That's one of the biggest concern really, that he's just here until Cowher comes along[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if that is truly the case, then they might as well just leave Gregg Williams here. Let him have a crack at it for a season and see how he does. That way, there aren't two huge coaching turnovers in two straight seasons.

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[quote=21InOurHearts;411796]What is everyone going to say if we find out Joe Gibbs was involved in some form with this hiring?[/quote]If that ever came out, I would lose a lot of respect for Gibbs. Williams was arguably the team's best coach during Gibbs 2.0. If not for his defense keeping the team in most every game, the last 4 years would have been an utter failure.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;411806]If that ever came out, I would lose a lot of respect for Gibbs. Williams was arguably the team's best coach during Gibbs 2.0. [B]If not for his defense keeping the team in most every game, the last 4 years would have been an utter failure.[/B][/QUOTE]


Man, I never thought of it that way. What would Gibbs 2.0 have looked like with anyone but Gregg Williams running the D?

Scary thought. Very scary.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;411806]If that ever came out, I would lose a lot of respect for Gibbs. Williams was arguably the team's best coach during Gibbs 2.0. If not for his defense keeping the team in most every game, the last 4 years would have been an utter failure.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you are saying here but there are many coaches that have been great coordinators that could not get it done as a head coach. If Gibbs felt this way about Williams then that could have possibly swayed the final decision here.

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I don't want any of these guys. We are on the brink of being a top NFC team and to blow it all up it just really stupid.

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I am sorry, but I don't see how this is a good move for us. We are getting rid of a coaching staff that made the playoffs and now they are being replaced by guy who hasn't been in coaching in four years, hasn't had any offers and was fired from his last job as O-Coordinator of the worst offense in the league. I guess when you try to run your sports team like a business, this is what you get. I guess dan and vinny are ideating.

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If we don't win next year it's going to get real ugly in DC.