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[quote=That Guy;475064]o'reilly's a zealot... dude has never had credibility. too bad thats not a requirement for getting a TV show.[/quote]
I'm not a hugh Oreilly fan but atleast he does not hide behind his mike and act as if he is just reporting facts from an unbias stance like the other major networks. Do you know who Oreilly is voting for? If so how?

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[quote=firstdown;475100]Do you know who Oreilly is voting for? If so how?[/quote]

Your not serious are you? I mean he hasnt came out and said it, but neither has Sarah Palin.

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[quote=drew54;475101]Your not serious are you? I mean he hasnt came out and said it, but neither has Sarah Palin.[/quote]
I was making a point that he does not hide his political views so we know where he is coming from. Could anyone tell me who the News Anchors for ABC, CBS, CNN or NBC are going to vote for? If so how do you know?

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Should we even care how they vote?

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[quote=firstdown;475113]I was making a point that he does not hide his political views so we know where he is coming from. Could anyone tell me who the News Anchors for ABC, CBS, CNN or NBC are going to vote for? If so how do you know?[/quote]

Most media types are registered as Independents and they usually keep their voting records out of public view for obvious reasons.

Except for the usual suspects on the late night cable circuit, I would imagine most of them have voted both ways over the course of their careers.

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[quote=mheisig;475079]Excellent points all around.

It really serves to highlight that, when all is said and done, all the anger, vitriol and hate is directed at one guy who's probably not really responsible for it anyway.

It's a widespread system or machine, not one lone guy. That's why I maintain that the best thing for this country to do as a whole is put a lot more focus on the legislative and judicial branches than the executive branch.

The executive branch so often gets reduced and simplified to one man. This country is about a LOT more than one guy sitting in the Oval Office.[/quote]Best. Political. Post. Ever.

mheisig may make a clean sweep at the "pathies" this year.

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I think we ought to form our own party. Include everyone. saden, dmek, hog, SS,matty. Get a nice balance of opinion. Why the hell can't this country have a party like that? Are most humans so unable to work with others and discuss issues and come to compromise?

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[quote=FRPLG;475169]I think we ought to form our own party. Include everyone. saden, dmek, hog, SS,matty. Get a nice balance of opinion. Why the hell can't this country have a party like that? [B]Are most humans so unable to work with others and discuss issues and come to compromise?[/B][/quote]

When it comes to politics, race and religion: Yes.

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[quote=FRPLG;475169]I think we ought to form our own party. Include everyone. saden, dmek, hog, SS,matty. Get a nice balance of opinion. Why the hell can't this country have a party like that? Are most humans so unable to work with others and discuss issues and come to compromise?[/quote]

Works for me. I've done my time in public service-student council representative, class treasurer, class president and my current position of moderator. I've got more experience than all the candidates combined!

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[quote=12thMan;475125]Most media types are registered as Independents and they usually keep their voting records out of public view for obvious reasons.

Except for the usual suspects on the late night cable circuit, I would imagine most of them have voted both ways over the course of their careers.[/quote]

Nonsense. Tom Brokaw never voted for a Republican in his life. Ditto Rather, Charlie Rose, Peter Jennings. Jennings was Canadian by birth, but I think he was naturalized and he weren't no Republican. The thing you have to understand is that they live in a world that is completely leftish. I saw Robbie Robertson of The Band on VH1 the other day talking about drugs in the 70s, and he was saying, "There was a point where I don't think I knew ANYONE who didn't use drugs." That's how politics is with these journalists. Tom Brokaw doesn't know anyone who is pro-life or attends an evangelical church and he can't comprehend the fact that there are people who's reality is the exact opposite. Slate, the online magazine had all it's contributors admit who they voted for in the last election, and I think of the 52 people involved, two voted for Bush and one of those was Christopher Hitchens.

Happy Thanksgiving:

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[quote=Beemnseven;474818]No, this one had a yellow head and his eyes actually rolled.[/quote]

That's weird that it's missing, I can upload it again this weekend. I've been meaning to install some new ones anyway.

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Man, I am so out of the loop I thought this thread was about my last date :(

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I watch The View and I am not ashamed to admit it:

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[quote=SmootSmack;475190]Works for me. I've done my time in public service-student council representative, class treasurer, class president and my current position of moderator. [B]I've got more experience than all[/B] [B]the candidates combined[/B] ![/quote]
on contraire, mon fraire. i was captain of my hockey team, shop steward for my local union, and gave blood, just last week. i am the most qualified:)

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Sounds like the pig bombed last night, anyone catch it?

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aQZCcugKlf5k&refer=home]Bloomberg.com: Muse Arts[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;475368]Sounds like the pig bombed last night, anyone catch it?

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aQZCcugKlf5k&refer=home]Bloomberg.com: Muse Arts[/url][/quote]

Is calling people names really productive for political discourse? Should "the right" just start calling Obama "towel-head" or something? I thought it was supposed to be all about the issues?

I mean really, what's gained by the name calling? It's never made sense to me, coming from EITHER side.

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He's only being as factitious as the McCain camp.

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It's all in good fun. Besides, I'm not a candidate so who cares?

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[quote=mheisig;475373]Is calling people names really productive for political discourse? Should "the right" just start calling Obama "towel-head" or something? I thought it was supposed to be all about the issues?

I mean really, what's gained by the name calling? It's never made sense to me, coming from EITHER side.[/quote]

you might as well. As a whole we've shown there is only so much political discourse we can take before it almost all just becomes what it is now. those who time and again have shown their ignorance when it comes to politicals and current events sudenly find themselves on a level playing field because those that once did have something to offer and wanted to be part of a discussion no longer want to or can contribute in any meaningful way for whatever reason-such as thew were "pushed over the edge." It is what it is. All you can do is vote.

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I'll admit, I am fatigued.

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[quote=Mattyk72;475368]Sounds like the pig bombed last night, anyone catch it?

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aQZCcugKlf5k&refer=home]Bloomberg.com: Muse Arts[/url][/quote]

Man was it awful, trainwreck bad. You would ask that a potential president be at least proficient in English. The woman can't speak! Highlights included her never having heard of the Bush doctrine and responding "Canada and Mexico" with a straight face when asked about her international travel experience.

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I can hardly wait for the debates. This is where this will finally get interesting.

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[quote=saden1;475394]I'll admit, I am fatigued.[/quote]

So am I, if you can't beat 'em might as well join 'em.

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[quote=djnemo65;475405]Man was it awful, trainwreck bad. You would ask that a potential president be at least proficient in English. The woman can't speak! Highlights included her never having heard of the Bush doctrine and responding "Canada and Mexico" with a straight face when asked about her international travel experience.[/quote]

I'm curious, how did the right spin that interview?

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[quote=Mattyk72;475417]I'm curious, how did the right spin that interview?[/quote]

Reading through some blogs and right-leaning papers they are getting behind her hawkishness. She invokes the same good/evil absolutes as both Bush and the Sith Lords, which gets people fired up. But I have to say, if you think it is possible for the United States to go to war with Russia, no matter the reason, you are living in the past. That is an absolute impossibility and to suggest as much, which she did in overt terms, is the height of foolishness. McCain talks tough on Russia but he certainly knows that an open military confrontation with them is not on the table. I would trust McCain to maintain our bilateral relations with Russia, but should something happen the idea of a war-loving hockey mom holding the keys to our nukes is enough to give me chills.

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They're spinning it by saying "it wasn't really fair question" and "she didn't have a James Stockdale moment."

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[quote=saden1;475317]I watch The View and I am not ashamed to admit it:

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I think McCain was in less hostile territory when he was shot down over Vietnam. Sheesh, what a bunch of harpies. I'd like to state for the record that talking over someone doesn't make you right, it just makes you an ass.

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BleedBurgundy -- Thats why I can't listen to political talk. Seems like anytime someone from the opposite side of the host makes a valid point the host starts talking loudly, cuts the caller off, calls them an idiot, etc.

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[quote=Mattyk72;475368]Sounds like the pig bombed last night, anyone catch it?

[URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aQZCcugKlf5k&refer=home"]Bloomberg.com: Muse Arts[/URL][/quote]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciFIpFyWw7k]YouTube - Sarah Palin Clueless on Foreign Policy on her first national interview![/ame]

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I understand why they refuse to do this, but just say "Yes" to the effing question, scheisse.

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[quote=djnemo65;475433]Reading through some blogs and right-leaning papers they are getting behind her hawkishness. She invokes the same good/evil absolutes as both Bush and the Sith Lords, which gets people fired up. But I have to say, if you think it is possible for the United States to go to war with Russia, no matter the reason, you are living in the past. That is an absolute impossibility and to suggest as much, which she did in overt terms, is the height of foolishness. McCain talks tough on Russia but he certainly knows that an open military confrontation with them is not on the table. I would trust McCain to maintain our bilateral relations with Russia, but should something happen the idea of a war-loving hockey mom holding the keys to our nukes is enough to give me chills.[/quote]

In fairness, she basically said that all options have to be left on the table. That's not much different than what Obama has said about Iran.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;475535]In fairness, she basically said that all options have to be left on the table. That's not much different than what Obama has said about Iran.[/quote]

But dude she has no idea what she is talking about. Atleast do some research about the several administrations policies. I do not trust her one bit to step in for president. At all.

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My man McCain said it best:

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[quote=saden1;475537]My man McCain said it best:

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hahaa love it.

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I have lost most if not all respect for John McCain. All of the lies and hypocrisy are just adding up. I sure hope the American people will not tolerate this. What happened to that guy?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;475535]In fairness, she basically said that all options have to be left on the table. That's not much different than what Obama has said about Iran.[/quote]

Yours is a nuanced statement. Hers was not. When talking about, and inadvertently to Russia, nuance becomes an essential rhetorical tool to have. She does not have it.

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[quote=wilsowilso;475551]I have lost most if not all respect for John McCain. All of the lies and hypocrisy are just adding up. I sure hope the American people will not tolerate this. What happened to that guy?[/quote]
Certainly Obama & the Dems never lie, make hypocritical statements, or misrepresent things.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;475555]Certainly Obama & the Dems never lie, make hypocritical statements, or misrepresent things.[/quote]

That's all you got. There are major news organizations flat out saying that the McCain campaign is lying to the american people. What kind of garbage is that? The Dems aren't without fault, but the McCain campaign has lost it's way with regards to the truth. It's un American to straight up lie to the people on this kind of scale.

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[quote=djnemo65;475433]She invokes the same good/evil absolutes as both Bush and the Sith Lords[/quote]Kind of the same good/evil absolutes as the Bush=Satan crowd comes up with. One thing I always have found funny over the last 4-5 years is that the same crowd calls him a complete idiot, yet believe he was capable of duping the [I]intellectually superior Dems in Congress (major sarcasm)[/I] to support a war based on lies to fuel oil company profits and Haliburton.

[quote]but should something happen the idea of a war-loving hockey mom holding the keys to our nukes is enough to give me chills.[/quote]
The left painted Ronald Reagan with the war-monger brush, yet he deployed troops less than any President in the last 50 years and won the Cold War without firing an official shot. Palin by no means has the experience of Reagan, but you can be sure McCain will have a good staff of advisors in place should something happen to him.

The thing that scares me more than Palin with the keycodes for the Red Button, is Obama getting abused by Ahmadenijad (sp.), Putin, Chavez and Islamic extremists, and putting us back in the same position as Carter had us in back in the late 70s, which was a laughingstock in the world.

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[quote=wilsowilso;475558]That's all you got. There are major news organizations flat out saying that the McCain campaign is lying to the american people. What kind of garbage is that? The Dems aren't without fault, but the McCain campaign has lost it's way with regards to the truth. It's un American to straight up lie to the people on this kind of scale.[/quote]
I'm not going to respond with links to MANY of the same types of lies and misrepresentations that Obama and the left are putting out there. Please tell me you're not naive enough to think both sides aren't playing the exact same game.

Also, please don't tell me you believe a majority of the "major news organizations": NY Times, Wash Post, LA Times, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC don't lean to the left and write/report to support the Democratic candidate, especially Obama. If Saturday Night Live (by no means a bastion of conservatism) did a sketch on how much the "major news organizations" were fawning over Obama that's pretty telling.