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lol yea im watchin the game... he's crazy good ....

and that could free up an extra roster spot for us if he jut does both lol...

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[quote=Meks;515693]lol yea im watchin the game... he's crazy good ....

and that could free up an extra roster spot for us if he jut does both lol...[/quote]

Will still would need a holder. Does Collins no how to do that.

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dunno

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I like the looks of this guy, but VC probably wouldn't risk taking another kicker in the draft. Dang Durant Brooks!

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We need to work on our O-Line, although I have been watching this WR from UNC (NICKS) and this kid is an excellent route runner, he is quick, and has great hands.

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Im sure well see a Lineman when were scopin the talent batch.. and could very well take em seeing our situation.

But i would really like if we nabbed someone in Free Agency cheap for Offensive tackle.
We usually overabuse Free Agency...but why not spend a little on an old O-Line in need of some depth?
Lineman are tricky comming out the draft...u really dont kno what your gonna get. We should target some more defense...I feel like the defense is our heart in Washington.

A Top Player for our front seven would be nice...

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I'll tell you what, I'm watching the Cal-Miami game right now... This Alex Mack kid is something special for Cal. If only we had a 2nd round pick. I doubt he'll be around in the 3rd and he's probably a reach for middle of the 1st.

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And in keeping with today's bowl games, it's a shame we blew our wad on pass catchers last year, because Hakeem Nicks from UNC is a straight freak.

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And in my 3rd consecutive post on today's bowl games, we can solve our kicking and punting issues with one guy- Graham Gano from FSU. Did anyone catch that game today?? OMG. The guy is totally amazing. He pinned Wisconsin inside the THREE yard line THREE times! Not to mention his range as a kicker is awesome. Eat your heart our Durant Brooks.

I know, I know, no one in the NFL kicks AND punts. Just saying... He's awesome. And as a Gator, it's hard for me to give such praise to a Seminole.

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I was watching Mack the whole game. If we get lucky maybe we can get him in the 3rd round.

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If we could get Mack and a good OT, maybe Eugene Monroe, in the same draft, that would be great!

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The Draft under Vinny

2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER.

2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover.

2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds)

2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks)

2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise.

2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd.

2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more.

2008 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA

2007 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan

2006 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee

2005 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel

2004 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame

2003 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana

2002 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa
3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee
5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State
6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee
7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA
7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton
7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;516224]The Draft under Vinny

2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER.

2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover.

2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds)

2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks)

2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise.

2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd.

2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more.

2008 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA

2007 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 [B]LaRon Landry[/B] SS Louisiana State
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC
6 179 [B]H.B. Blades[/B] LB Pittsburgh
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan

2006 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 [B]Rocky McIntosh[/B] LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 [B]Anthony Montgomery[/B] DT Minnesota
6 173 [B]Reed Doughty[/B] DB Northern Colorado
6 196 [B]Kedric Golston[/B] DT Georgia
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee

2005 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 [B]Carlos Rogers [/B] DB Auburn
1 25 [B]Jason Campbell[/B] QB Auburn
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel

2004 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 [B]Sean Taylor[/B] FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 [B]Chris Cooley[/B] TE Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame

2003 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana

2002 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2 56 [B]Ladell Betts[/B] RB Iowa
3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee
5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State
6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee
7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA
7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton
7 257 [B]Rock Cartwright[/B] RB Kansas State[/quote]

So since 2002 we have only drafted 11 players for our active roster excluding the 2008 draft. And Cerrato still has his job why?

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[quote=MrIcon;515715]We need to work on our O-Line, although I have been watching this WR from UNC (NICKS) and this kid is an excellent route runner, he is quick, and has great hands.[/quote]

Nicks and Crabtree are two receivers that are going to receive a lot of attention this offseason. Instead of drafting three receivers last year we should of taken a lineman then went after one of these two in this years draft.

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[quote=WaldSkins;516286]So since 2002 we have only drafted 11 players for our active roster excluding the 2008 draft. And Cerrato still has his job why?[/quote]

I posted this in a different thread:

Until this past offseason, Cerrato did not have a defined role with the team. The Redskins supposedly made offseason moves based on the decision of a committee comprised of Cerrato, Gibbs, Grilliams, and other coaches. Without knowing whether Cerrato pushed for or opposed signing free agents like Lloyd on the one hand and Fletcher on the other, it was pretty difficult if not impossible to give Cerrato a "grade." Yet, like a blindfolded kid taking a swing at a pinata, a lot of Redskins fans blamed Cerrato for all the bad personnel decisions (e.g., Lloyd, Duckett, etc.) and praised Gibbs for the good ones (e.g., Washington, Griffin, etc.).

The 2008 offseason was the first one since 2002 in which we knew Cerrato was running the show. Based on our 2008 season, it looks like Cerrato did a poor job with the lines and the trade for Jason Taylor. However, the book on guys like Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Tryon, and the rest of the draft class won't be fully written for a few years. So, I'll give Cerrato a C- for 2008, with the condition that the grade is subject to change based on how we look back on the 2008 draft in a few years.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;516292]I posted this in a different thread:

Until this past offseason, Cerrato did not have a defined role with the team. The Redskins supposedly made offseason moves based on the decision of a committee comprised of Cerrato, Gibbs, Grilliams, and other coaches. Without knowing whether Cerrato pushed for or opposed signing free agents like Lloyd on the one hand and Fletcher on the other, it was pretty difficult if not impossible to give Cerrato a "grade." Yet, like a blindfolded kid taking a swing at a pinata, a lot of Redskins fans blamed Cerrato for all the bad personnel decisions (e.g., Lloyd, [B]Duckett[/B], etc.) and praised Gibbs for the good ones (e.g., Washington, Griffin, etc.).

The 2008 offseason was the first one since 2002 in which we knew Cerrato was running the show. Based on our 2008 season, it looks like Cerrato did a poor job with the lines and the trade for Jason Taylor. However, the book on guys like Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Tryon, and the rest of the draft class won't be fully written for a few years. So, I'll give Cerrato a C- for 2008, with the condition that the grade is subject to change based on how we look back on the 2008 draft in a few years.[/quote]

This is one signing i didn't mind, we just didn't use him to the best of his abilities.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;516292]I posted this in a different thread:

Until this past offseason, Cerrato did not have a defined role with the team. The Redskins supposedly made offseason moves based on the decision of a committee comprised of Cerrato, Gibbs, Grilliams, and other coaches. Without knowing whether Cerrato pushed for or opposed signing free agents like Lloyd on the one hand and Fletcher on the other, it was pretty difficult if not impossible to give Cerrato a "grade." Yet, like a blindfolded kid taking a swing at a pinata, a lot of Redskins fans blamed Cerrato for all the bad personnel decisions (e.g., Lloyd, Duckett, etc.) and praised Gibbs for the good ones (e.g., Washington, Griffin, etc.).

The 2008 offseason was the first one since 2002 in which we knew Cerrato was running the show. Based on our 2008 season, it looks like Cerrato did a poor job with the lines and the trade for Jason Taylor. However, the book on guys like Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Tryon, and the rest of the draft class won't be fully written for a few years. So, I'll give Cerrato a C- for 2008, with the condition that the grade is subject to change based on how we look back on the 2008 draft in a few years.[/quote]


You'd give him a C- for 2008? Out of the entire draft, we have 1 player that starts...3 second round picks that don't play- (let alone crack a talentless- besides moss- WR corps) not acceptable at all.

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Alex Mack C out of Cal Berkeley if possible.

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it depends on whose available, and who we get in Free agency. If we pick up an OT like Gross, or Vernon Carey, then I say go for a D-lineman with our 1st pick, like BJ Raji, or Michael Johnson. If we pick up Hayneswoth or Rocky Bernard in FA, I say draft an OL like Euguene Monroe, or Duke Robinson. But 1st and foremost our OL, especially oppisite Samuels and Kendell is very weak right now, and our QB needs some protection. So weather it be in FA, or the draft, number 1 priority is O-line. Jansen and Thomas are washed up, and Heyer is a true backup.

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Draft a WR's coach.
Draft a OC.
Draft for OL/DL
Draft a thought into possibly changing to a 3-4 since most of the successful teams are using it.

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At this point, I would like to see the team trade down if possible to gain additional picks.

If it's possible to slide down from 14 to 20-22, we could pick up Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma). If we are able to get a 2nd out of the trade, I'd like to pick up Alex Mack (C -- Cal). Mack may start moving up boards, but as of now many sites project him as a 2nd round pick. With the third round pick, another O-lineman -- perhaps Phil Loadholt (OT -- Oklahoma).

I know it sounds crazy to draft so much O-Line at once, but this draft is deeper in O-Line than defensive line and we NEED the help.

A player I like at DT is Evander "Ziggy" Hood from Missouri. He is likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick. If we end up trading Carlos, we may be in a position to nab Hood.

LB can be handled through Free Agency.

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;516326]At this point, I would like to see the team trade down if possible to gain additional picks.

If it's possible to slide down from 14 to 20-22, we could pick up Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma). If we are able to get a 2nd out of the trade, I'd like to pick up Alex Mack (C -- Cal). Mack may start moving up boards, but as of now many sites project him as a 2nd round pick. With the third round pick, another O-lineman -- perhaps Phil Loadholt (OT -- Oklahoma).

I know it sounds crazy to draft so much O-Line at once, but this draft is deeper in O-Line than defensive line and we NEED the help.

A player I like at DT is Evander "Ziggy" Hood from Missouri. He is likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick. If we end up trading Carlos, we may be in a position to nab Hood.

LB can be handled through Free Agency.[/quote]
Welcome to the board. I like your strategy. Good post.

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;516326]At this point, I would like to see the team trade down if possible to gain additional picks.

If it's possible to slide down from 14 to 20-22, we could pick up Duke Robinson (G -- Oklahoma). If we are able to get a 2nd out of the trade, I'd like to pick up Alex Mack (C -- Cal). Mack may start moving up boards, but as of now many sites project him as a 2nd round pick. With the third round pick, another O-lineman -- perhaps Phil Loadholt (OT -- Oklahoma).

I know it sounds crazy to draft so much O-Line at once, but this draft is deeper in O-Line than defensive line and we NEED the help.

A player I like at DT is Evander "Ziggy" Hood from Missouri. He is likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick. If we end up trading Carlos, we may be in a position to nab Hood.

LB can be handled through Free Agency.[/quote]


This draft would make too much sense. Where are the kickers and receivers?

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[quote=WaldSkins;516334]This draft would make too much sense. Where are the kickers and receivers?[/quote]

Hopefully on their way to the CFL. :)

Ziggy Hood is playing in the Alamo Bowl tonight on ESPN.

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QB...cambell is a bum

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[quote=MeanEvilSkin;516345]Hopefully on their way to the CFL. :)

[B]Ziggy Hood is playing in the Alamo Bowl tonight on ESPN[/B].[/quote]

After doing some research on him I can see why you like him. I'm not sure he'll last long in the draft. Looks like an excellent prospect.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;516308]You'd give him a C- for 2008? Out of the entire draft, we have 1 player that starts...3 second round picks that don't play- (let alone crack a talentless- besides moss- WR corps) not acceptable at all.[/quote]

That 1 player happened to be drafted at the tail end of the draft and is talked about as a defensive player of the year candidate. That's hitting the jackpot.

As for the 3 2nd rounders, we all knew Malcolm Kelly was recovering from knee problems when we drafted him. We all knew Devin Thomas was a "project" who would take a year or two to get himself ready for action. Fred Davis is playing behind Chris Cooley but, admittedly, took longer than anticipated to get onto the field. We didn't draft those guys to produce lots of yardage in 2008. We drafted them to produce in the coming years.

Finally, the draft isn't a quick fix and you can't really judge it for several seasons. So, I would be reluctant to say that any draft class is "unacceptable" less than a year from the day on which they were drafted.

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[quote=53Fan;516436]After doing some research on him I can see why you like him. I'm not sure he'll last long in the draft. Looks like an excellent prospect.[/quote]

A number of draft sites have him projected as a 3rd round pick, with the possibility of moving up into the 2nd. Who knows?

I'm always amused looking at these draft sites that have 40-50 players with first rounds grades, and 40-50 graded out in each of the 2nd & 3rd rounds as well. Keeping this in mind, it also is amusing to hear surprise when players start to "fall."

I think the way to draft is have a number of players projected for spots on the board and contingencies to trade down if things don't fall your way. Even if you trade down and pick up picks for next year, you're building for the future. Get to know what the teams in those spots want, and what their tendencies are on draft day, and you stand a better chance of predicting how far you can move to pick up your player. Even with all of that, you're still hiring people and that's always a crapshoot.