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thanks ss. i think I'll take your advice haha

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[quote=GTripp0012;556901]This year's team has to be better than last years team.

Simple, ain't it.[/quote]

You think 9-7 secures him a job?

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[quote=tryfuhl;557623]You think 9-7 secures him a job?[/quote]

If we make the playoffs with that 9-7 record I think it does. If not we let Zorn and Campbell walk imo.

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Sweep Dallas

not nosedive at the end of the season..

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557637]Sweep Dallas

not nosedive at the end of the season..[/quote]

I agree with the nosedive part but to say Zorn might be canned if we dont sweep Dallas is funny.

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I hope he does well and we can see him and the team grow together since we have not allowed any coach to stay for very long other then Gibbs but I had seen on another message board where people feel Zorn is a dead man walking meaning he's simply holding the spot until next yr when DS can get the man he wants. I found this to be interesting also......

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81158951&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Shanahan wants another head-coaching job, possibly as soon as 2010[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;557163]Remember when Zorn took the punter's head off after blowing a snap. I can't remember all the details, but I can't imagine WP or Norv doing that.[/quote]

Punter Durant during the Cards game last year. And Durant didn't blow it according to the announcers at the time.

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[quote=backrow;568770]Punter Durant during the Cards game last year. And Durant didn't blow it according to the announcers at the time.[/quote]

I think Zorn got on Durant because of his attitude about the missed FG.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;556800]Well, I suppose I [B]ought[/B] to just agree to disagree now, before we have a long re-hash of the FO. But, dang it the urge is just primal.
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Can you show an example that backs up your fear? Every coach that has been fired, has been for cause, except Marty possibly.

When DS hired Zorn, he had to know that the guy had never even been an OC, and would need time to grow into the role.

a lot of naysayers that make the comment about DS firing Zorn, also seem to say that no big name coach will come here. (KI I don't know if you had held both those positions, but it seems to me that that is the typical line of people who generally dislike the FO). If the big 4 would not come here anyway, why would we not keep JZ.[/quote]
And you should remember that Zorn was hired as the Offensive Coordinator, not the Head Coach. Only after every big name coach available turned down Dan Snyder did Jim Zorn get promoted to HC.
I like Jim Zorn but I don't think he has total control over who starts on this team, hence... the reason why Dan keeps getting turned down by more established coaches.

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[quote=backrow;568770]Punter Durant during the Cards game last year. And Durant didn't blow it according to the announcers at the time.[/quote]

Actually, Durant did flub it, but not the snap, it was that the ref's had not set the ball in play when Durant called for the ball, so everyone had to reset and it resulted in a rushed kick.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;556865]JC has all of the talent you need in a QB, but i feel he has trouble makin quick reads and if he doesnt breakout soon we may see a change at the position. The Coltists will be out in full force if he continues to do well in OTA's and preseason and JC starts to stumble[/quote]

I think you're right. The league is filled with QBs who are physically gifted. The ones who make it are the ones who excel in the Xs and Os and can understand what the defense is going to do before they do it. Watch guys like Brees, Manning and Warner and you'll notice that the defense can't get to them because they get the ball out so quick, not necessariliy because their O-line is giving them all day to throw. JC should be more comfortable in Zorn's system, so I suspect we'll see a lot of improvement.

Zorn's success is directly tied to Campbell's performance.

As Campbell goes, so goes the team and as the team goes, so goes Zorn.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;557627]If we make the playoffs with that 9-7 record I think it does. If not we let Zorn and Campbell walk imo.[/quote]

Not if we ride the defense's coat-tails into the playoffs. Zorn has to prove he can field a potent offense. That's what he was brought here to do. A lot of coaches could have produced more than 12 points a game over the last half of the season. I think Zorn has to do a lot better than that, and if he does this team could go far.

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[quote=44Deezel;568794]I think you're right. The league is filled with QBs who are physically gifted. The ones who make it are the ones who excel in the Xs and Os and can understand what the defense is going to do before they do it. Watch guys like Brees, Manning and Warner and you'll notice that the defense can't get to them because they get the ball out so quick, not necessariliy because their O-line is giving them all day to throw. JC should be more comfortable in Zorn's system, so I suspect we'll see a lot of improvement.

Zorn's success is directly tied to Campbell's performance.

As Campbell goes, so goes the team and as the team goes, so goes Zorn.[/quote]

Don't forget that Campbell was subjected to a lot of dropped passes and our receivers were less than stellar. I felt JC was reading defenses well based on his low ints.

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If the Redskins make the playoffs next year, Jim Zorn should stay. Period. I think he should be given more than just this season regardless, but I don't think he will if they regress and have a losing season.

I would say that 10-12 wins sounds about right for this team this season with a win or two in the playoffs. I have very high hopes for this group and I think there's a very good chance that they could tear it up this year, vaulting Zorn and Campbell onto the national stage and making it impossible for Dan Snyder to get rid of them.

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After everything settles, unless JZ just appears overwhelmed (which I can't see happening) I would bet that he has atleast this year and next. DS has no desire to start over yet again, regardless of what the media pundits would have you believe. So sayeth a know nothing web-pundit.

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[quote=jdlea;568804]If the Redskins make the playoffs next year, Jim Zorn should stay. Period. I think he should be given more than just this season regardless, but I don't think he will if they regress and have a losing season.

I would say that 10-12 wins sounds about right for this team this season with a win or two in the playoffs. I have very high hopes for this group and I think there's a very good chance that they could tear it up this year, vaulting Zorn and Campbell onto the national stage and making it impossible for Dan Snyder to get rid of them.[/quote]

You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.

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We are not even sure than Holmgren or Cowher would work for ANYONE. Besides, Holmgren has expressed a desire to move back to the SF Bay area.

Shanahan will "work for food." Gruden said on NFL Network that he wants to coach again. So out of the "Big 4" candidates mentioned, only those two are really lurking offstage.

Further, any of those 4 may pull a Parcells and say they want to be in upper management, not coaching, in which case we could hire Holmgren, just for example, and still keep Zorn.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;568808]You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.[/quote]

I do not think that 10 regular season wins, with a playoff win added, is too far from real possibility. Leaving reason aside, my hopes are for even more - especially if it includes a sweep of Dallas!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;568808]You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.[/quote]

I will be happy if we get into the playoffs by backing in, but I expect to be very happy and see us winning the Division.

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[quote=Lotus;568810]I do not think that 10 regular season wins, with a playoff win added, is too far from real possibility. Leaving reason aside, my hopes are for even more - especially if it includes a sweep of Dallas![/quote]
How sweet would a late season sweep of Dallas be. Of course Dallas fans would be saying it was WP's fault, not that the Skins whooped 'em. (Yeah, I am picturing the party already :food-smil

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;568808]You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't think it's out of the question that an 8-8 team who got better in the offseason could get to 10 wins and then go on to win a game or two in the playoffs. It's the second year under Zorn, JC's second year in the system and Thomas and Kelly will be better. I'm convinced this offense can get to 21-25 ppg relatively frequently which would result in a whole lot of W's.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;556792]The primary reason I'm thinking about this is because there are four big-time former NFL coaches who will probably be looking to return to coaching next season and[B] I don't think you-know-who can resist hiring a big-name Head Coach. The coaches to whom I'm referring are Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan[/B].

To try to answer my own question, I think that, at a minimum, Jim Zorn will need to take this team to the playoffs to keep his job. But that might not be enough. If we back into the playoffs as a wildcard and lose in the first round, I think that Zorn may still lose his job.

I'm suggesting that, with people who Dan Snyder will undoubtedly view as better coaches available, that the bar may be set unrealistically high for Jim Zorn this season.

Other than Zorn guiding the Skins to the second round of the playoffs, there is one other faint hope for DS retaining Zorn and thus maintaining continuity. That is, Snyder could hire Mike Holmgren in an executive capacity to oversee both Vinny and Jim Zorn and to serve as a close advisor to both of them. That might even work.[/quote]

Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

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[quote=skinsfan69;568826]Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.[/quote]

Skinsfan69......Telling it like it is. :food-smil

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[quote=skinsfan69;568826]Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.[/quote]

I totally agreed, but Dan Snyder is not going to wait. Zorn has got to make the playoffs, if not he is def gone along with JC. Vinny might survive.

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[quote=jdlea;568822]Yeah, I don't think it's out of the question that an 8-8 team who got better in the offseason could get to 10 wins and then go on to win a game or two in the playoffs. It's the second year under Zorn, JC's second year in the system and Thomas and Kelly will be better. I'm convinced this offense can get to 21-25 ppg relatively frequently which would result in a whole lot of W's.[/quote]

As long as the real team was the one that went 6-2 to start the season and not the one that closed out 2-6.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;568801]Don't forget that Campbell was subjected to a lot of dropped passes and our receivers were less than stellar. I felt JC was reading defenses well based on his low ints.[/quote]

Excuses as far as I'm concerned. I can understand poor offensive production against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, but look how the offense performed against the Lions (worst team ever and we needed a punt return to win), Rams, Bengals (Campbell was outplated by Fitzpatrick, who was running for his life all game) and 49ers.

6 INTS tells me you're throwing a lot of 5 yard passes, unless it's against 20 plus TDs. 12 points a game over the last 8 and only 151 yards in a meaningless game against the 49ers to end the season? How does the saying go? You can put lipstick on a pig...

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A locker room hip-hip-hooray chant after the last regular season game.

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[quote=44Deezel;568839]As long as the real team was the one that went 6-2 to start the season and not the one that closed out 2-6.[/quote]

That's exactly what I was thinking. I prefer to think that the Skins, when healthy, were more like the 6-2 team, rather than the 2-6 team. I believe in this team for one of the first times in a while. I have a really good feeling about this season.

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[quote=44Deezel;568842]Excuses as far as I'm concerned. I can understand poor offensive production against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, but look how the offense performed against the Lions (worst team ever and we needed a punt return to win), Rams, Bengals (Campbell was outplated by Fitzpatrick, who was running for his life all game) and 49ers.

6 INTS tells me you're throwing a lot of 5 yard passes, unless it's against 20 plus TDs. 12 points a game over the last 8 and only 151 yards in a meaningless game against the 49ers to end the season? How does the saying go? You can put lipstick on a pig...[/quote]

I think Campbell, can, and will, step it up this year. I also think Zorn will open the playbook up. They already have twice as many plays installed as last year. I don't see how dropped passes can be construed as just an excuse. [B]Dropped passes kill drives.[/B] The QB cannot throw the pass and then run downfield and catch it. Any way you look at it, a pass is a 50/50 proposition and if a pass is dropped, that's on the receiver, not the QB. There have been some amazing catches made in the last 2 Super Bowls that have made Manning and Big Ben look awfully good. Granted they made the throws, but without the [B]spectacular[/B] catches, we wouldn't be constantly talking about how good they are because they won SB's. If the receivers had not of made those great plays...no ring for Manning and 1 less for Ben.

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JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?

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[quote=redsk1;568850]JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

[B]If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?[/B][/quote]

I would not mind an outcome where we keep Zorn and swap Holmgren for Vinny, so that Zorn is on the field and Holmgren does personnel.

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Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep. ;)
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. ;) but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

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[quote=SBXVII;568856]Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break.[B] We will be in ESPN as the team to beat. [/B]

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep. ;)
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. ;) but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.[/quote]

Awesome post, and while 13-3 is tough, it is absolutely within this team's potential. The question is how much potential becomes reality.

As for the highlighted part, even if we go 7-0 ESPN will not count us as real until mid Nov, or December until then we will be hearing how last year we went 2-6.

Bring on the season!

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I beleive if Zorn can guide this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs or possibly deeper, he would be able to hold off the big boys from comin in. I also deeply belive that Bringing Holmgren in to be GM is an absolute must. Something like that will keep us steady for years to come. That's what we've been missing sine Danny Boy got the team. Oh yeah, that and Super Bowl titles.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;568861]Awesome post, and while 13-3 is tough, it is absolutely within this team's potential. The question is how much potential becomes reality.

As for the highlighted part, even if we go 7-0 ESPN will not count us as real until mid Nov, or December until then we will be hearing how last year we went 2-6.

Bring on the season![/quote]

Totally agree with you now that I think of it. One of our SB runs the Skins were not even mentioned until late in the season when they finally noticed the Skins having not lost a game. I know the Skins have not had a lot to brag about but according to the media you would think they were the "Bad New Bears." No need to talk about them they will find a way to lose the season. God for bid it's Dallas, NE, Giants, GB, Seattle, or San Diego. This yr it happens to be the Eagles. I hope they shock all the pundits and implode.

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[quote=Tony420;568863]I beleive if Zorn can guide this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs or possibly deeper, he would be able to hold off the big boys from comin in. I also deeply belive that Bringing Holmgren in to be GM is an absolute must. Something like that will keep us steady for years to come. That's what we've been missing sine Danny Boy got the team. Oh yeah, that and Super Bowl titles.[/quote]


This would be an interesting combination. As long as Holmgren can get the players needed for the system and only interject once and a while or when asked then we would have an aswome team.

Although I have been against Vinny for yrs I think this yr has been his best but time will tell.

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I am not saying that I think Holmgrem/Zorn would be a mistake, but didn't Holmgrem have GM duties stripped from him? Let him go to San Fran. barring a 6-10 or worse season, I am content to give this whole group 2 more full seasons (and I think DS would too, regardless of the boo-birds comments)

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[quote=SBXVII;568856]Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep. ;)
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. ;) but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.[/quote]

I love your optimism but that's quite the reach, 7-0 to start the year. I think this team has good potential, buy 13-3 potential, not too sure.

We've got 1 starting quality WR. Sure, MK and DT have potential but they haven't done squat yet.

We've got a guy that we're not sure if he's a "franchise QB" and he's in year 4 as a starter (yr 4 right?)

Oline thats getting older and we've had depth problems

There's much to like about our team too, but there are major questions none the less.

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=redsk1;568870]I love your optimism but that's quite the reach, 7-0 to start the year. I think this team has good potential, buy 13-3 potential, not too sure.

We've got 1 starting quality WR. Sure, MK and DT have potential but they haven't done squat yet.

[B]We've got a guy that we're not sure if he's a "franchise QB" and he's in year 4 as a starter (yr 4 right?)[/B]

Oline thats getting older and we've had depth problems

There's much to like about our team too, but there are major questions none the less.[/quote]

JC is beginning year 3 as a starter and one of the previous years was cut short by injury.

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

JZ and JC are tied together. If JC plays good and the Skins improve the JZ keeps his job. IF JC plays his typical style and the Skins look like the same old team then JZ goes. Unfortunately IMO, JZ's fate rests with the performance of JC.