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[quote=Mattyk72;611670]

If I'm Snyder, the day the season ends Zorn is gone.

The second thing I'm doing is calling up Vinny and saying, sorry pal but our way clearly isn't working.

Now, the third thing I do is dial up Bill Polian in Indy. I'm saying Bill, I've got a blank check here with your name on it. If he turns me down I'm saying, is your son there... can I talk with him?[/quote]

This is basically how I would do it as well. I'm not sold on a Shanahan, Holmgren, etc as our coach just yet.. but if Bill was, then I'd have reason to be.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;611686]Kind of like Marty did : ) He was before his time.

Yeah...I agree with that. But I kinda like the attitude of someone who is underpaid. I just want to hear our next GM tell Snyder "You don't pay me enough for this sh#*" when Snyder tries to come into the lockeroom.[/quote]
That's a blue collar statement happening in a white collar world, not sure it's the best thing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;612055]Well my opinion today probably isn't the same as it was a month ago and may not be the same in a month from now. This is not an easy problem to fix. But I'll give it a shot.

1. Let Zorn go...now. Stop this charade. Put him out of his misery. It's the NFL. It's his first head coaching gig. He'll find a job again sooner than later. For now though, there is no benefit of keeping him around.

2. At the end of the season "Promote" Vinny Cerrato to EVP Strategic Iniatitives Red Zone Capital, LLC. Snyder doesn't want to get rid of Cerrato altogether, that's fine, that's his pregorative. But he needs to bear responsibility here, especially for hiring Zorn and putting him in this position. I'll give him some bogus title and tell him I want him to "map out the long-term plan for my investments" or something like that.

3. Just say no to any of the big names out there, meaning Holmgren/Cowher/Gruden/Shanahan. Stop trying to impress people with a big splash hire. I'll do my research...and my research should show that there are flaws with all of them. And they would be expensive flaws.

4. (I've been wavering on this one, going back and forth on a lot of names) I give Floyd Reese a call and say I want to name you "President Football Operations" and I want you to find a strong General Manager (I'd suggest Jimmy Raye III) to help you shape the roster and together I want the two of you to find me a head coach that can be here for a long time with you

5. I would tell Scott Campbell and Morocco Brown and the scouts that they have two options a) Resign now and try to find work elsewhere or b) You can stick around and take a chance that the new guy in charge (and it won't be any of you) want to keep you around, but it will be up to them

6. I would do the same with the coaching staff. But due to his long tenure with the club, I would make an exception with Buges. Again I'd probably come up with some bogus title but I would offer him a role within the organization.

7. Step back and let Reese and company do the work[/quote]

#5- I would not partake in. I have not been impressed with our scouts. Any GM would most likely want to bring in people he can trust or believe in. Unless they have done an admirable job and DS/VC totally over ruled them and picked other players for the HC's. I would need proof of that though to believe it.

#6- No way. Cut them all. I like Buges and have a lot of respect for what he was able to do but time to cut ties and go with someone younger who knows all the new blocking scheme's.

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[quote=SBXVII;612190]#5- I would not partake in. I have not been impressed with our scouts. Any GM would most likely want to bring in people he can trust or believe in. Unless they have done an admirable job and DS/VC totally over ruled them and picked other players for the HC's. I would need proof of that though to believe it.

#6- No way. Cut them all. I like Buges and have a lot of respect for what he was able to do but time to cut ties and go with someone younger who knows all the new blocking scheme's.[/quote]

#5. I would leave it up to the new man in charge. Maybe he wants to hold onto some people for various reasons

#6. I think you misread what I said about Buges

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[quote=SmootSmack;612200]#5. I would leave it up to the new man in charge. Maybe he wants to hold onto some people for various reasons

#6. I think you misread what I said about Buges[/quote]

None of the scouts are worth keeping. None. Bring in a whole new batch.

I might have misread what you were saying. I thought you were trying to say move him like Cerrato and give him some fancy title. I wouldn't even do that. Let him go back into retirement. Bring in someone new.

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[quote=SBXVII;612209]None of the scouts are worth keeping. None. Bring in a whole new batch.

I might have misread what you were saying. I thought you were trying to say move him like Cerrato and give him some fancy title. I wouldn't even do that. Let him go back into retirement. Bring in someone new.[/quote]
Some of them might be.. our luck has been coming at the back end of the draft, likely the only spots where Vinny is listening, because he's spent so much time in the first 4 rounds

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Did anyone hear the news that just broke on fanhouse.com and 106.7 the fan? Apparently Danny boy tried to hire Shanahan to come in this season to replace Zorn to be the head coach, and he declined, some one needs to start a new thread

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[quote=mlmdub130;612226]Did anyone hear the news that just broke on fanhouse.com and 106.7 the fan? Apparently Danny boy tried to hire Shanahan to come in this season to replace Zorn to be the head coach, and he declined, some one needs to start a new thread[/quote]
how many times are you going to post this?

we heard about it a few weeks ago.. and it is already a new thread now that it's become more popular of a story

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[quote=mlmdub130;612226]Did anyone hear the news that just broke on fanhouse.com and 106.7 the fan? Apparently Danny boy tried to hire Shanahan to come in this season to replace Zorn to be the head coach, and he declined, some one needs to start a new thread[/quote]

Just broke? It's old news.

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[quote=Mattyk72;612299]Just broke? It's old news.[/quote]

I never heard and I come on here every day?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;612304]I never heard and I come on here every day?[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32563-updated-merged-shanahan-rumors-will-he.html[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;612299]Just broke? It's old news.[/quote]

The rumor was old news.

The fact was just confirmed this afternoon.

All of us always want news stories to be posted with links and other citing points. It turns out that the hearsay was based in truth. I personally think it's relevent.

Relevent also is the credibility of the front office. Just because they refute a story doesn't mean it's not true. I'm personally fine with that but that means I also won't entirely believe the press releases they come out with in the future.

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His numbers dont lie. That is why the Broncos did not want him. His win loss record sucks.

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Shannahan is not the answer.

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[quote=53Fan;612326]Shannahan is not the answer.[/quote]

What about Chris Polian?

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[quote=WaldSkins;612333]What about Chris Polian?[/quote]

I would be alot more excited about him. If he's anything like his dad, hell yes. He could be one of the rising young stars I was talking about. I think he stays in Indy though. He's expected to take over for his dad in 3-4 years.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;612313][B]The rumor was old news.

The fact was just confirmed this afternoon.[/B]

All of us always want news stories to be posted with links and other citing points. It turns out that the hearsay was based in truth. I personally think it's relevent.

Relevent also is the credibility of the front office. Just because they refute a story doesn't mean it's not true. I'm personally fine with that but that means I also won't entirely believe the press releases they come out with in the future.[/quote]

What are you talking about? What do we know now that we didn't know two weeks ago?

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[quote=53Fan;612340]I would be alot more excited about him. If he's anything like his dad, hell yes. He could be one of the rising young stars I was talking about. I think he stays in Indy though. He's expected to take over for his dad in 3-4 years.[/quote]
Im syre the chance to show what he's got here with this dud of a team is tempting. Plus i'm sure the money wouldn't be bad.

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Please no Shanahan. Let the Cowboys have him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;611670]Ok let's role play and pretend to be Dan Snyder.

Scary thing is I'm sure a lot of us could do a better job at being Dan Snyder than Dan Snyder can, so here goes.

If I'm Snyder, the day the season ends Zorn is gone. Here's my termination discussion with him, Jimmy I'm sorry things didn't work out. I have to apologize for putting you in a tough situation for a first time head coach. You were in over your head and that was my fault. I wish you the best, but we have to move in another direction.

The second thing I'm doing is calling up Vinny and saying, sorry pal but our way clearly isn't working. We've tried big name coaches, big name players, now it's time to try a big time GM. See you on the racquetball court.

Now, the third thing I do is dial up Bill Polian in Indy. I'm saying Bill, I've got a blank check here with your name on it. I will make you the highest paid GM in the history of sports. I'm giving you 100% autonomy and control to build and run this franchise. Build me a winner. If he turns me down I'm saying, is your son there... can I talk with him?[/quote]

Hmm role playing to be Dan Snyder, meaning acting like Dan Snyder? Let's see now:

1. Rehire Norv Turner(only man who would want the job badly)
2. Sign Cerrato to a new 6 year deal
3. Trade our 2011 and 2012 #1 draft picks for Colt McCoy
4. Give Clinton Portis a 4 year contract extension
5. Sign Gus Frerotte as backup(Gives fans some nostalgia for happier times)

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It's remarkable how you can fit Gus Frerotte into almost every post of yours :)

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[quote=T.O.Killa;612324]His numbers dont lie. That is why the Broncos did not want him. His win loss record sucks.[/quote]


Yeah, if the Broncos parted with him he was expendable. WE go the route we did with coach Gibbss and with Norv Turner. Turner is too mild mannered to be a really successful HC, but he is a decent Xs and Os guy. My point is get one of the OCs or DCs that are ready to get their feet wet with being a HC. It is of course a 50/50 pass/fail porpsitiion, but if it works and you surround the guy with a good FO staff you have a long term coach who can actually build something, as he is motivated to prove himself. I don't see Gruden or Cowher coming to DC. Gruden is doing really well with MNF, and he might just like it better in the booth than on the sidelines. Same for Cowher.

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[quote=SmootSmack;612403]It's remarkable how you can fit Gus Frerotte into almost every post of yours :)[/quote]


I didn't pick him as my Warpath ID for nothing!!!!!! Give him a call MR Snyder!!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;612403]It's remarkable how you can fit Gus Frerotte into almost every post of yours :)[/quote]


Gus wasn't the best for sure, but personally he was fun to watch and sort of a nice story. He was from a small school and drafted more for depth , but ended up the starter, as Heath bombed. The Skins never made the playoffs with him, but they were a lot more competitive than the crap we have been seeing the last few seasons. I rather have the '95 or '96 squad back than this bunch of bums! Also, Gus did show more fire than JC ever has.

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If I am snyder. I fire Zorn during the bye week, I also fire Vinny and Scott Campbell. I promote jerry grey for the rest of the season, and focus the rest of the year on my GM search. My main targets: Kevin Abrams, Ron Hughes, Tom Heckert, Mike Lombardi, Doug Whaley,and Marty Hurney, among others. Then I write a formal appology letter to the fans, then provide the skins with mission statement.One I've hired my Gm I give him total atonomy. I cut ties with all the players I developed personal relationships with and focus on the fan expierence at Fed ex.

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Yet more negative attention and someone out right discouraging proven HC's from taking the Skins job. I know, I know...it's SI but still people will read and make their own decisions based off of what they see and read. Namely those HC's we have been looking into.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/10/20/redskins/index.html]Working for Washington Redskins' Daniel Snyder not worth money - Don Banks - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;612411]Gus wasn't the best for sure, but personally he was fun to watch and sort of a nice story. He was from a small school and drafted more for depth , but ended up the starter, as Heath bombed. The Skins never made the playoffs with him, but they were a lot more competitive than the crap we have been seeing the last few seasons. I rather have the '95 or '96 squad back than this bunch of bums! Also, Gus did show more fire than JC ever has.[/quote]

[IMG]http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff358/bankaiAP/Gus_Frerotte_headbutt_LG.gif[/IMG]


Imagine Gus and Cooley hooking up in practice...not a pretty site:

[IMG]http://www.webskins.org/gold/players/frerotteg/GUS2.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=SBXVII;612809]Yet more negative attention and someone out right discouraging proven HC's from taking the Skins job. I know, I know...it's SI but still people will read and make their own decisions based off of what they see and read. Namely those HC's we have been looking into.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/10/20/redskins/index.html"]Working for Washington Redskins' Daniel Snyder not worth money - Don Banks - SI.com[/URL][/quote]

I don't mind fans on the board talking bad about the Skins but it kind of pisses me off to hear non-fans do it. It's kind of like family. I can bitch about family to family but i don't want to hear someone outside of my family talk about them. That really didn't come out right, but get the point.

Not that the article doesn't have truth to it, I just think it's a little overboard. It fails to mention LF, Marcus Washington, Moss, Portis, Samuels, Cooley, Gregg Williams, Marvin Lewis, and others that have had a bit of success.

I hope Snyder does the right thing and i don't know why but I think he will and we'll have a new GM next year.

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Call Bill Parcells and pray that you can get him to come to Washington. I doubt that he would, but we need somebody like him.

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Fire VC and draft all the offensive linemen you can-

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[quote=JLee9718;612850]Call Bill Parcells and pray that you can get him to come to Washington. I doubt that he would, but we need somebody like him.[/quote]

Parcells turned Al Snyderato down years ago.

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Sure, it would be great if Snyder hired Bill Polian, or Polian's son, or any of about 10 solid, competent people, and gave them complete authority to remake the team, free of interference from ownership.

But after 10 years, does anyone think that Snyder's capable of staying out of the way? He won't. He won't. Get used to it -- until he's gone, the Redskins will not experience sustained success.

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I guess hiring Eric DeCosta as our GM would be a good move. DeCosta started his NFL career as an intern with the Redskins in 1995 (pre-Snyder) so why not bring him to were he started.

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[quote=MrSpectre;613254]Sure, it would be great if Snyder hired Bill Polian, or Polian's son, or any of about 10 solid, competent people, and gave them complete authority to remake the team, free of interference from ownership.

[B]But after 10 years, does anyone think that Snyder's capable of staying out of the way? He won't. He won't. Get used to it -- until he's gone, the Redskins will not experience sustained success[/B].[/quote]

I think a 4 or 5 win season would be real slap in the face for him. And with everyone in his ear right now saying you've got to get rid of Vinny and get a real football guy in here, I honestly think he might finally realize it's time for him to step completely out of the way and let someone else run things.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613322]I think a 4 or 5 win season would be real slap in the face for him. And with everyone in his ear right now saying you've got to get rid of Vinny and get a real football guy in here, I honestly think he might finally realize it's time for him to step completely out of the way and let someone else run things.[/quote]

I think so too. I'd give it about a 85% chance VC is gone. FWIW.

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I emailed Michael Lombardi would he consider the position and this was his response to me:

"I am not sure I would tell the owner what he wanted to hear...thanks for thinking of me"

Funny, not sure if hiring a top quality GM in DC will be as easy as we think. The owner may be just too frustrating to work with.

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If I'm Al Snyderato, the first thing I'd do would be to stop sucking my thumb and clean out my drawers.

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If I'm Dan I'm showering with the cheerleaders on game day.

Hey, it's my team!

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Buy and setup a Cisco telepresence system and install it at Joe Gibbs house so he can be the team President and can conduct business from Charlotte.

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i think he has to be somewhat humble at this point. He's tried and failed to build a winner- he will realize that he has to fire Vinny and hire a legit GM with reasonable autonomy. I hope anyway.