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[url=http://walterfootball.com/combine2010stock.php]WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Combine Stock Report: Day 1[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;666609]Indy or maybe even New England. The silver lining in all of this for Tebow is he will likely go to a good team where he can learn from an established QB and stable coaching staff.[/quote]

One thing you can bet on is that he'll do great with the interviews and chalk talk, plus I'm sure his workout numbers will look a good bit better than the other top qbs (i.e. bench press, short shuttle, 40 yard dash). I think he's smart to wait to throw until pro day.

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Other than the Jags or perhaps the Saints, I don't see any team taking Tebow in the first round. Chances are, he'll be taken by a crappy team in the top of the 2nd.

EDIT - reading some of the other responses, I think NE would actually be perfect fit for Tebow. I hadnt thought of Indy, but I don't think their Caldwell and Moore are creative enough to take advantage of him. We all know Peyton Manning runs the offense there. If Moore called a play that involved Tebow coming on the field, Manning would ignore him. If Moore called a package that required manning to leave the field and Tebow to come in, Manning would just tell him to screw off and not a single player on offense would listen to Moore over Manning. The potential for ugliness is just too great there.

Brady, on the other hand, is a company man and does what he's told. Love him or hate him, Belichick is an offensive genius and would find a way to get the most out of Tebow.

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panthers pick up Tebow lol

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;666637]Other than the Jags or perhaps the Saints, I don't see any team taking Tebow in the first round. Chances are, he'll be taken by a crappy team in the top of the 2nd.

EDIT - reading some of the other responses, I think NE would actually be perfect fit for Tebow. I hadnt thought of Indy, but I don't think their Caldwell and Moore are creative enough to take advantage of him. We all know Peyton Manning runs the offense there. If Moore called a play that involved Tebow coming on the field, Manning would ignore him. If Moore called a package that required manning to leave the field and Tebow to come in, Manning would just tell him to screw off and not a single player on offense would listen to Moore over Manning. The potential for ugliness is just too great there.

Brady, on the other hand, is a company man and does what he's told. Love him or hate him, [B]Belichick is an offensive genius[/B] and would find a way to get the most out of Tebow.[/quote]

He is?

Defense is his specialty.

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[quote=Mattyk;666655]He is?

Defense is his specialty.[/quote]

Last I heard, he was also their offensive coordinator and they always seem to put up alot of points. his offense turned drew bledsoe, tom brady, and matt cassel into stars. sure, bledsoe was a 1st round pick, but he never took buffaloe or dallas to any measure of success. matt cassel looked like an all pro in belichick's offense and looks like total crap in kansas city.

granted, football is a team sport and there are a multitude of external factors that affect every player at every position, but belichick's offense makes QBs look good. He's a football genius. period. just because he had a defensive background before becoming a head coach, doesnt mean he's not a great offensive coach.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;666658]Last I heard, he was also their offensive coordinator and they always seem to put up alot of points. his offense turned drew bledsoe, tom brady, and matt cassel into stars. sure, bledsoe was a 1st round pick, but he never took buffaloe or dallas to any measure of success. matt cassel looked like an all pro in belichick's offense and looks like total crap in kansas city.

granted, football is a team sport and there are a multitude of external factors that affect every player at every position, but belichick's offense makes QBs look good. He's a football genius. period. just because he had a defensive background before becoming a head coach, doesnt mean he's not a great offensive coach.[/quote]Last I heard, it was Charlie Weis 2000-2004 and Josh McDaniels 2005-2008 who were responsible for the offense at NE. I believe Bill O'Brien called the plays in 2009, but not 100% on that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;666658]Last I heard, he was also their offensive coordinator and they always seem to put up alot of points. his offense turned drew bledsoe, tom brady, and matt cassel into stars. sure, bledsoe was a 1st round pick, but he never took buffaloe or dallas to any measure of success. matt cassel looked like an all pro in belichick's offense and looks like total crap in kansas city.

granted, football is a team sport and there are a multitude of external factors that affect every player at every position, but belichick's offense makes QBs look good. He's a football genius. period. just because he had a defensive background before becoming a head coach, doesnt mean he's not a great offensive coach.[/quote]

He made his name in this league by coaching the defenses of the Super Bowl winning Giants back in the 80's. It's not his offense per say, he has no direct input on the design or the play calls. The most involved he gets with the offense during the course of a game is deciding to go for it on 4th down. Thats it. Maybe he'll suggest to his OC that he would like to see more running or pass plays at certain points but not much else.

Basically Belicheck gets to pick an offensive coordinator. That is the extent of Bellichecks offense.

On top of that I can't think of a coach in the modern era that has coordinated both sides of the ball at the pro level. It's like getting an ENT to become a heart surgeon. Offense and Defensive coordinators are highly specialized positions. I mean it's hard enough for a player to switch sides of the ball let alone a coach.

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The Pats don't techically have an offensive coordinator, but those duties are basically handled by their QB coach Bill O'Brien.

They don't have a defensive coordinator right now either, looks like Belichick is going to handle that role.

[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/02/patriots_will_n.html]Patriots will not hire a defensive coordinator, Belichick to expand role - Extra Points - Boston.com[/url]

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I am willing to bet that LeFevour's stock just dropped dramatically:

from Doug_Farrar twitter

Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour says that he will not throw at the Combine because he wants receivers he's in rhythm with...

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Has anyone's draft stock really dropped from not throwing at the combine?

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Belicheck is definitely a D coach first.

Back to Tebow, good points yall about INdy & NE. NO would be a good fit too in terms of the situation, but there style might be a bit more vertical than he's cut out for. Actually, I don't know what style of O fits him at this point when I think about it. His release is slow for a west coast O. His deep ball isn't very accurate.

I don't know if he has an ideal landing spot in terms of the syle of offense, but would benefit being on a team that has a stable starter. Although that's not us, I wouldn't be made if Tebow was there in the 4th & we nabbed him. Don't see him being around that long tho.

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[quote=Mattyk;666681]Has anyone's draft stock really dropped from not throwing at the combine?[/quote]

I don't really know, but generally there is some sort of medical reason that is used to prop it up, or in Tebow's case working on a new rhythm. To come out and say he doesn't want to throw except to his receivers would send the wrong message to the teams, in my opinion.

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Plenty of guys without medical reasons don't throw at the combine.

Peter King was talking about it this morning and basically said the scouts get pissed off but then draft day comes and these guys still get taken in their expected spots.

So for all the combine hype regarding guys that choose not to throw, it doesn't really hurt them come draft day.

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I suppose it depends on the FO, Tom Coughlin was on Sirius, and said that it was not a good thing, because he wants to see a competitive spirit, or something along those lines.

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Yeah they toss around the competitive angle, but again come draft day I doubt it plays a big part in the overall decision making process for most. Phillip Rivers opted out of throwing at the combine, and I don't think anyone questions his competitiveness today.

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Tony Pike 6'6", 223 lbs

Okung 38 reps on the bench press

Mitch Petrus (Arkansas G) sets record with 45 reps

Campbell has met with Rams, Texans, and Seahawks (among other teams I'm sure)

Jevan Snead killed it, nailed it, owned it!!! in his interview. Showed the maturity and accountability the ignorati have said they haven't seen from him

Not sure, but I think I heard Skins talked to (plan on talking?) to Tim Hiller

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;666599]You know where i think Tebow should land. Indy.

Perfect situation for him to learn and grow behind the best QB in football. The guy says all the right things about work ethis and stiving to get better. If I were him I would be begging for a chance to learn from the best in Peyton. Indy needs a backup and Tebow would be a good fit. He gets a chance to sit and learn and if he pans put then The Colts would probably be able to get good value for him if they ever wanted to trade him in a few years. Tebow also doesn't have the pressure of having to ebcome a starter any time soon.[/quote]
That could be a good fit for him.

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23 reps for Trent Williams

32 for Veldheer

John Skelton 6'6" 243 lbs

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;666637]Other than the Jags or perhaps the Saints, I don't see any team taking Tebow in the first round. Chances are, he'll be taken by a crappy team in the top of the 2nd.

EDIT - reading some of the other responses, I think NE would actually be perfect fit for Tebow. I hadnt thought of Indy, but I don't think their Caldwell and Moore are creative enough to take advantage of him. We all know Peyton Manning runs the offense there. If Moore called a play that involved Tebow coming on the field, Manning would ignore him. If Moore called a package that required manning to leave the field and Tebow to come in, Manning would just tell him to screw off and not a single player on offense would listen to Moore over Manning. The potential for ugliness is just too great there.

Brady, on the other hand, is a company man and does what he's told. Love him or hate him, Belichick is an offensive genius and would find a way to get the most out of Tebow.[/quote]
why would there be a rush to get him onto the field in some sort of package?

are you thinking that they'll use him like Vick? I don't see why Indy would do that

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[quote=SmootSmack;666765]Tony Pike 6'6", 223 lbs

Okung 38 reps on the bench press

Mitch Petrus (Arkansas G) sets record with 45 reps

Campbell has met with Rams, Texans, and Seahawks (among other teams I'm sure)

Jevan Snead killed it, nailed it, owned it!!! in his interview. Showed the maturity and accountability the ignorati have said they haven't seen from him

Not sure, but I think I heard Skins talked to (plan on talking?) to Tim Hiller[/quote]
ties record actually

any details on snead interview?

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Tied it? Oh ok

No specific details really. Just heard that he made no excuses about last season, put it all on himself (there were some rumblings that he was quick to make excuses). He'll throw at the combine as well

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[quote=SmootSmack;666765]Tony Pike 6'6", 223 lbs

Okung 38 reps on the bench press

Mitch Petrus (Arkansas G) sets record with 45 reps

Campbell has met with Rams, Texans, and Seahawks (among other teams I'm sure)

Jevan Snead killed it, nailed it, owned it!!! in his interview. Showed the maturity and accountability the ignorati have said they haven't seen from him

[B]Not sure, but I think I heard Skins talked to (plan on talking?) to Tim Hiller[/B][/quote]

Some mocks last year were predicting we'd take Hiller this year. Since then I've read he doesn't have an NFL arm. :confused:

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I don't think he does either. Certainly not one that would explain his 6'5" 228 lb frame

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[url=http://walterfootball.com/combine2010stock2.php]WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Combine Stock Report: Day 2[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;666781]Tied it? Oh ok

No specific details really. Just heard that he made no excuses about last season, put it all on himself (there were some rumblings that he was quick to make excuses). He'll throw at the combine as well[/quote]

yeah.. was reading earlier they only started recording it in 2000 but in 1999 some kid hit 51 reps

lowest ever? fred smoot.. 1

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[quote=Mattyk;666681]Has anyone's draft stock really dropped from not throwing at the combine?[/quote]

Apparently Clausens stock is about to take a huge drop.
[url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35611452/ns/sports-player_news/]Report: QB Clausen won't be 100% before draft - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com[/url]

Of course keep in mind that Crabtree got picked at 10th overall without having a pre draft workout.

[quote]NFL Network's Charley Casserly reports that Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen (toe surgery) is unlikely to get in a full workout before April's draft.
The full workout would consist of "running, cutting and dropping." It sounds like Clausen should be ready for his NFL team's summer camps, but he apparently won't be able to throw for evaluators at the Irish Pro Day. We'd say this was a slight concern if Clausen was a serious candidate to be drafted No. 1 overall, but Sam Bradford has clearly emerged as the favorite.[/quote]

Lol, anyone thinking of an Okung-Clausen combo? Well I'm not. I just had one of my JC mood swings. I want him back for next year and beyond, or at least a fair shake.

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I think that he'll still go 1st round, but who knows

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[quote=Dirtbag359;666846]Apparently Clausens stock is about to take a huge drop.
[url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35611452/ns/sports-player_news/]Report: QB Clausen won't be 100% before draft - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com[/url]

Of course keep in mind that Crabtree got picked at 10th overall without having a pre draft workout.



Lol, anyone thinking of an Okung-Clausen combo? Well I'm not. I just had one of my [B]JC mood swings[/B]. I want him back for next year and beyond, or at least a fair shake.[/quote]

I've had my Bradford mood swings as well. And the only cure temporarily for them is March 5th(Free agency starts), and the full treatment for them is April 22nd-24th :)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;666846]Lol, anyone thinking of an Okung-Clausen combo? Well I'm not. I just had one of my JC mood swings. I want him back for next year and beyond, or at least a fair shake.[/quote]Weird. First Mike Florio, [URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/2010-articles/february/hog-heaven-2010-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings.html"]then you[/URL]. I'm on to your guys who steal my blog ideas before I actually publish them.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;666875]I've had my Bradford mood swings as well. And the only cure temporarily for them is March 5th(Free agency starts), and the full treatment for them is April 22nd-24th :)[/quote]

So you're saying that in the end the only true cure is following the man and accepting whatever decision he makes. To sacrifice my values and everything I stand for in the name of conformity.....ok, I guess I can do that.

[quote=GTripp0012;666880]Weird. First Mike Florio, [URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/2010-articles/february/hog-heaven-2010-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings.html"]then you[/URL]. I'm on to your guys who steal my blog ideas before I actually publish them.[/quote]

In Soviet Russia blog publish you.

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[quote=GTripp0012;666880]Weird. First Mike Florio, [URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/2010-articles/february/hog-heaven-2010-nfl-draft-quarterback-rankings.html"]then you[/URL]. I'm on to your guys who steal my blog ideas before I actually publish them.[/quote]

Nice write-up GTripp. Whether I agree or not, I always find your articles interesting and enjoy your perspective. Good work.

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Thank you, sirs.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8169c244/Redskins-draft-options]NFL Videos: Redskins draft options[/url]

I really hope that what Jason La Confora is saying about Vinny tied to Clausen isn't true, because I could see Snyder listening to him even though he's not our GM anymore and the fact that DS is supposedly letting the FO take care off personnel decisions.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;666887][url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8169c244/Redskins-draft-options]NFL Videos: Redskins draft options[/url]

I really hope that what Jason La Confora is saying about Vinny tied to Clausen isn't true, because I could see Snyder listening to him even though he's not our GM anymore and the fact that DS is supposedly letting the FO take care off personnel decisions.[/quote]

JLC hates Snyder and Vinny, in spite of the rumor that apparently Snyder recommended JLC for the job he currently holds on NFLN. Even if Vinny does have the slightest bit of influence it is basically rendered moot by Shanahan and Allen. This is just JLC finding a way to bash Snyder and Vinny for no good reason, which is sad because theres so many good reasons. Basically at this point he's just making stuff up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;666765]Tony Pike 6'6", 223 lbs

Okung 38 reps on the bench press

[B]Mitch Petrus (Arkansas G) sets record with 45 reps[/B]

Campbell has met with Rams, Texans, and Seahawks (among other teams I'm sure)

Jevan Snead killed it, nailed it, owned it!!! in his interview. Showed the maturity and accountability the ignorati have said they haven't seen from him

Not sure, but I think I heard Skins talked to (plan on talking?) to Tim Hiller[/quote]
didnt Larry Allen do 47 reps?

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bruce campbel sub 4.8 40 wow! his stock is gonna pick up

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Why the heck are the lineman doing doing the forty? Are they going to let the linebackers throw fade routes?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;666887][url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d8169c244/Redskins-draft-options]NFL Videos: Redskins draft options[/url]

I really hope that what Jason La Confora is saying about Vinny tied to Clausen isn't true, because I could see Snyder listening to him even though he's not our GM anymore and the fact that DS is supposedly letting the FO take care off personnel decisions.[/quote]

You know what's retarded about that? Clausen could very well be there at #4 and would be a strong choice yet some idiot is going to say oh well since we picked Clausen it must have been a Cerrato pick. I could understand if we took Sam Young or even Golden Tate at #4, but we're talking about Clausen here. I'm glad the guys on the set basically shut JLC up after he revealed that "interesting dynamic"

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bruce campbell looks fast and has great footwork. coupled with his long arms, i like him.