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I'm just starting to realize how good of a WR draft this actually is this year. I think you can pick up future NFL starters in round 5. There is no reason to even consider Julio Jones at no. 10.

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Yeah there's some good value to be had at WR later on, no need to go WR early.

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[quote=Mattyk;795996]Yeah there's some good value to be had at WR later on, no need to go WR early.[/quote]

Lots of value, but I still want to walk away with two late round O-Lineman like last year. Got to feed the pipeline.

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[quote=Monkeydad;795970]If we take him at 2, that will be the only player we draft in 2011. We'll have to give up the rest of our picks most likely to jump up the draft board that far.

NOT worth it.[/quote]

The rumor is not that we will ruin this year's draft. The rumor is that we will ruin next year's draft.

I still don't believe the rumor.

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[quote=Mattyk;795996]Yeah there's some good value to be had at WR later on, no need to go WR early.[/quote]

Which is exactly why they would draft a WR.

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UPDATE: Despite the Washington Redskins' lack of draft picks and what Mike Shanahan said in his press conference today, some insist that the Redskins plan on trading up in the draft and selecting a quarterback.

"There are general managers convinced that this will go down," writes Jason La Canfora of the NFL Network. "There are evaluators in Redskins Park who believe Blaine Gabbert has the potential to be a franchise quarterback, a great fit in their system and the best player in this draft. Washington has concerns about him being there 10th overall. Denver, among others, is immensely receptive to this possibility of trading down, and Mike Shanahan's ties to John Elway and Brian Xanders in Denver's front office could help facilitate a deal."

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Washington Redskins speculation runs rampant on the eve of the NFL draft. Multiple sources are scratching their heads trying to figure out what this team is trying to do, with no clear consensus standing out so far.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan gave a press conference this morning that made things slightly more clear: It's not likely that the Redskins will be trading up in the draft. Almost anything else, though, is on the table.

Three different D.C. reporters covered Shanahan's conference, and their Twitter feeds tell the story, starting with Mike Jones of the Washington Post. He says Shanahan talked about his history of trading up in the draft with limited picks, but adds that the coach admitted "not having 3rd and 4th round picks could make it harder to move up." On quarterbacks, Shanahan said, "A lot of time you have to adjust your system to a quarterback because you might not have that perfect guy there." Jones also says the Redskins have "about three players" they could take with the tenth pick, "but sounds like desire is to trade down."

Ryan O'Halloran of CSNWashington.com quotes Shanahan as saying the Redskins are comfortable with their safeties and tight ends, but after that, "we're pretty open. We can in a lot of different directions with the needs of our football team." He also says Shanahan is a fan of Cam Newton: "Whoever does pick him will run a system he's comfortable with because he's one heckuva athlete."

Rich Campbell of the Fredericksburg (Va.) Free Lance-Star says [COLOR="Red"]Shanahan admitted it was not "realistic" that the Redskins would trade up, citing the shortage of picks. "Obviously it's a little bit tougher when you don't have multiple picks," Shanahan said, "especially in the 3rd or 4th round."[B] Shanahan also said that the 2011 quarterback class was "much deeper than what I'm accustomed to.[/B]"[/COLOR]

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sidenote: Rich Campbell is joining the Washington Times, which is a huge get for them

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[quote=SmootSmack;796010]sidenote: Rich Campbell is joining the Washington Times, which is a huge get for them[/quote]

The paper without a sport section?

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It's back

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[quote=SmootSmack;796012]It's back[/quote]

Sweet.

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[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]the Redskins are comfortable with their safeties and tight ends[/COLOR][/B]

Sadly, I'd have to agree with that.
I wish we knew what Moss and Carlos Rodgers will be doing next year.
Not to mention the possible McNabb trade and the unloading of Stainsworth.

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[quote=GTripp0012;795955]Put another way: Matt Ryan's completion percentage in three years as a pro is exactly identical to Gabbert's in two years as the starter at Missouri.[/quote]I'm not sure where you're going with that but you gotta account for spread offense scheme completion %inflation though.

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Do you believe this possible trade up theory? I don't buy it.
If they're gonna trade up they should shut up about (i.e. not leak it) and do it.

So I hesitate to even have what probably amounts to a meaning less discussion but....

I like both of these QB prospects.

But, trading up imo is reckless.

There is a process to team building and at the end of the day its a zero sum game.

You don't get better as a team by trading away picks.

As much as I like Locker and Gabbert they're not the only QBs in the draft that have a skillset that could fit our team.

Why needlessly force the QB position?
Be zen let the draft come to you, call everyone's bluff and sit at 10 and if Gabbert and Locker aren't there so be it.

They're are other QBs in this draft and there other ways to acquire a QB and there will be other QBs next year.

I agree that it would benefit us greatly if we could get the QB of the future on our roster this year but its not worth giving up draft picks we're not a rookie QB away from anything.

Imo one of the benefits of having Kyle as the OC is his offense doesn't require a QB w/ elite arm strength and mobility so our option at the QB position is more open the many other teams.

Heck, if Mallett through due diligence turns out to be a cleaner prospect then people think off the field in many ways he's as good a fit for this offense as Gabbert or Locker and acording to recent rumor he might even be available at 41.
In fact Mallett could likely contribute much early then our guys (Locker/Gabbert). (the same is true for Ponder and Stanzi minus the arm strength)

If you believe that Mike and Kyle can develop Gabbert then you should also trust his ability to do develop QBs in general. e.g. Brian Griese 3rd pick IIRC-->pro-bowl QB).

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If the Redskins are investigating options to go into the top five, I would imagine the target would not be Gabbert or Locker, but Von Miller. He's really got to be 1 or 2 on the Redskins draft board (depending on what they think of Green), and is probably worth a big price.

But I could see a trade up into the 6-8 range, once Miller is gone, with Gabbert as the primary target.

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If we are trading up.... it will be to get Patrick Peterson or Von Miller, simple as that... u can't draft a qb wen u don't even know if they can get a Playbook or have a mini camp or train with the team at the facilities .... effin lockout.... in this current state, I just would not draft a qb at a high # ..... of the judge says differently and says it tomorrow? Things could change

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[quote=GTripp0012;796059]If the Redskins are investigating options to go into the top five, I would imagine the target would not be Gabbert or Locker, but Von Miller. He's really got to be 1 or 2 on the Redskins draft board (depending on what they think of Green), and is probably worth a big price.

But I could see a trade up into the 6-8 range, once Miller is gone, with Gabbert as the primary target.[/quote]
I could see trading up for Dareus that's about it though.
He would instantly be an upgrade at position where we were lacking talent RDE and he could provide some 1-gap NT or pass rushing NT snaps.

But, Dareus isn't Suh.
And its only with the luxury of hindsight Suh that Suh is trade up worthy.

I really don't get the trade up theory.
In a system that has pre-assigned value why arbitrarily add more value to one random pick?

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Let the guessing game begin:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/shanahan-redskins-could-move-down-in-draft/2011/04/27/AFXgKazE_blog.html]Shanahan: Redskins could move down in draft - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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I think the talk of the Skins trading up is just more smokescreens. It's believable given our history, so why not float it out there? I'd be totally fine trading down a few times in round one, landing Locker, and adding multiple picks in the process. That's actually my ideal scenario.

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[quote=GMScud;796071]I think the talk of the Skins trading up is just more smokescreens. It's believable given our history, so why not float it out there? I'd be totally fine trading down a few times in round one, landing Locker, and adding multiple picks in the process. That's actually my ideal scenario.[/quote]

I'd rather trade down to anywhere from 17-24 and take Dalton while picking up an extra pick, but what do I know?

The Dalton indoctrination is a slow but subtle process. You see him and you're like "Ginger QB OMGWTF." The next week you're like "wow he's pretty accurate." Then before you know it you want to take Dalton in the first. I've been indoctrinated. Theres no turning back now.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;795757]12 days ago John MacClain of the Houston Chronicle started reporting that the Redskins were trying like crazy to move up and select Gabbert.
[URL="http://www.redskinsgab.com/2011/04/15/skins-trying-hard-to-trade-up-to-draft-a-qb/"]Skins Trying Hard to Trade Up to Draft a QB? » Redskins Gab[/URL]


Then everyones favorite beat writer, JLC, picked up the story yesterday and continued to run with it.
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f7f7de/article/redskins-looking-to-move-up-to-draft-missouri-qb-gabbert"]NFL.com news: Redskins look to move up in draft, take Missouri QB Gabbert[/URL]


So what do you think? Do you want him? Are you going to turn in your fan card if this happens? Is JLC full of it? How would Gabbert fit into our offense? Can Gabbert block for himself? Can he play two ways and rush the passer on defense? Will adding a 100 pounds to frame to play Nosetackle compromise his mobility when he gets under Center on offense? Go, take the topic and run with it.[/quote]

Personally I think JLC is not doing his homework and simply taking someone elses work and rewriting about it. Since the original article that came out of Texas there has also been talk of the team trading back in order to get more picks possibly a 3rd rounder. But this doesn't sound good since everyone wants the Skins to do something stupid and throw everything they have at moving up.

Something I think a lot of people are not talking a lot about.... if there is no CBA agreement then there might not be a 2012 draft which means teams are a little leary to accept future draft pick trades.

[url=http://www.scoresreport.com/2011/03/16/enjoy-it-this-year-nfl-fans-because-there-may-not-be-a-draft-in-2012/]Enjoy it this year NFL fans, because there may not be a draft in 2012[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;795975]I just don't see it a SmokeScreen, the skins know they need a QB and apparently they love BG[/quote]


They are still saying it's not a smokescreen, but that nothing is set in stone. Things are always changing in the NFL, and deals are always broken off before they ever mature. What is accurate now, may be obsolete by tomorrow. I think if FA gets into the Draft mix, you'll see a lot more stuff going on.


I hope that somebody saves us from making a mistake, much like Cincinnati did when they didn't take our trade offer of a 1st and 3rd(which potential to be another 1st) for Chad Johnson. /facepalm ....or the Chicago/Briggs trade.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;796072]I'd rather trade down to anywhere from 17-24 and take Dalton while picking up an extra pick, but what do I know?

The Dalton indoctrination is a slow but subtle process. You see him and you're like "Ginger QB OMGWTF." The next week you're like "wow he's pretty accurate." Then before you know it you want to take Dalton in the first. I've been indoctrinated. Theres no turning back now.[/quote]

Try as I might, I just can't get excited about Dalton (that will change of course if we draft him).

I want Locker or to a lesser extent Ponder. I'm sure Gabbert is fine too...but he's no Chase Daniel!!!

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Mayock has us taking Prince? No way

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[quote=NC_Skins;796077]They are still saying it's not a smokescreen, but that nothing is set in stone. Things are always changing in the NFL, and deals are always broken off before they ever mature. What is accurate now, may be obsolete by tomorrow. I think if FA gets into the Draft mix, you'll see a lot more stuff going on.


I hope that somebody saves us from making a mistake, much like Cincinnati did when they didn't take our trade offer of a 1st and 3rd(which potential to be another 1st) for Chad Johnson. /facepalm ....or the Chicago/Briggs trade.[/quote]

I still wouldn't mind having CJ but not for probably what Cinci wants. T.O. is expected to be released and probably available even though people don't want him. He's not like his younger self but Moss could stay the #1 and T.O. could be moved to slot/possession receiver. Unless we find a gem in the draft.

what other WR's will be FA's? only asking because I'd prefer to stay away from T.O. but if there is none available we might have to think of him or maybe Randy Moss.

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Sidney Rice, Mike Sims-Walker but let's save the FA Wide Receiver talk for another thread on another day

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[quote=SmootSmack;796082]Sidney Rice, Mike Sims-Walker but let's save the FA Wide Receiver talk for another thread on another day[/quote]

Well thanks to thread deregulation we can start threads on anything. Enjoy as I post a picture of our lead Moderator. MattyK
[IMG]http://www.classroomhelp.com/lessons/Presidents/presimages/Regan.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;796083]Well thanks to thread deregulation we can start threads on anything. Enjoy as I post a picture of our lead Moderator. MattyK
[IMG]http://www.classroomhelp.com/lessons/Presidents/presimages/Regan.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Oh.... great.... more trickle down threads.

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If Mike trades up and snags him, I really believe I will have lost any hope of him bringing change into our organization. It will indicate that he either has no spine and does whatever Dan tells him to do, or that he only won two Superbowls because of the team he inherited, NOT because of what he brought to the team.

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[quote=SBXVII;796085]Oh.... great.... more trickle down threads.[/quote]

Well played sir.

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[quote=Lotus;796095]Well played sir.[/quote]

Lol, I now feel like an idiot for not getting that one or not getting it right away.

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[quote=CapitalPunishment;796089]If Mike trades up and snags him, I really believe I will have lost any hope of him bringing change into our organization. It will indicate that he either has no spine and does whatever Dan tells him to do, or that he only won two Superbowls because of the team he inherited, NOT because of what he brought to the team.[/quote]

I don't think we're going to trade up for Gabbert

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I would like to find a comparison between the teams who had the most draft picks, and their records over the past ten years.

My assumption is the Patriots, Colts, Eagles and Steelers would lead the way.

More picks, better odds of finding the guys that fit.

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I think it's amazing that we are less than 24 hours before the draft and we still have both our 1st and 2nd round picks. Haven't had both since 2002! (of course we had two 1st rounders in '05, but mentioning that takes away from the strength of my post) :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;795924]I think perhaps more foolish than trading up to #2 to get Gabbert is thinking that we have some distinct advantage in getting Luck by keeping our 1st rounder next year (and even adding a 2nd first rounder next year).

Luck's only in a Redskins uniform if we have the 1st overall pick next year[/quote]

If the the team who has the first pick doesn't need a qb, we could trade our two 1st round picks for the #1 overall. That was the point I was trying to make.

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[quote=CapitalPunishment;796109]I think it's amazing that we are less than 24 hours before the draft and we still have both our 1st and 2nd round picks. Haven't had both since 2002! (of course we had two 1st rounders in '05, but mentioning that takes away from the strength of my post) :)[/quote]

Well we had our 1st and 2nd less than 24 hours before the 2008 draft

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[quote=SmootSmack;796152]Well we had our 1st and 2nd less than 24 hours before the 2008 draft[/quote]

We did? Theres just this big gap in my memory where 2008 is suppose to be. I keep on seeing this name. Vinny, Vinny. Everytime I hear it I want to destroy something valuable.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/denver-spreads-the-word-they-like-von-miller/]Denver spreads the word they like Von Miller | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Not trying to prevent them from trading back with us or anything like that but Von Miller? I can understand if you're running a 3-4, but number 2 for a 4-3 OLB? That guy better be Lawrence Taylor.

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I think if they stay at 2 they're taking Patrick Peterson

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[quote=SmootSmack;796210]I think if they stay at 2 they're taking Patrick Peterson[/quote]

That's not much better. You've had the best Corner in the game since 2004 or at least he was the best for most of the years since then. How does adding another corner change your defense? If I'm John Elway and I go defense with the 2nd pick I'm going either Dareus or Fairley.

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I think they should go Darreus as well, just not sure they will