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[quote=saden1;816609]He certainly will when he recks the train full of his bandwagoners in the preseason while Rex flys Redskin One into a 500 season.[/quote]


LOL saden I'll mark down this date pal!

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[quote=Mattyk;816595]I agree.

Here's to hoping he proves a lot of people wrong.

At the very least he deserves a chance. For a franchise that has been playing the QB shuffle for the last 20 years, we shouldn't be discounting anyone.[/quote]

Good post!!!

Someone needs to answer a question: What is the difference between Kevin Kolb and John Beck? Neither guy has proven anything in the NFL, but for some reason Kolb is the next Dan Marino, and Beck is the next Heath Shuler.. Give Beck a chance!! The more I read posts from knuckle headed Redskin fans, the more I wonder if Redskin fans are really knowledgeable fans...

Also, why do so many Redskin fans believe DM was wronged by MS and KS. The guy sucked! Why would any coach trade a guy within the division if they thought the guy could really play?

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Nonsense is the only thing I hear from anyone untill we actually see him play in a skins uniform this year.... why bother wasting ur breath speculating? Wait til after the preseason AT LEAST ... IMO if brought back Grossman and Beck will have a good competition and hopefully the best man wins and certain egos are checked at the door.

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[quote=Brody81;816622]Good post!!!

Someone needs to answer a question: [B]What is the difference between Kevin Kolb and John Beck?[/B] Neither guy has proven anything in the NFL, but for some reason Kolb is the next Dan Marino, and Beck is the next Heath Shuler.. Give Beck a chance!! The more I read posts from knuckle headed Redskin fans, the more I wonder if Redskin fans are really knowledgeable fans...

Also, why do so many Redskin fans believe DM was wronged by MS and KS. The guy sucked! Why would any coach trade a guy within the division if they thought the guy could really play?[/quote]

True, but Kolb was kept on his team instead of one of the Eagles all time great qbs. Beck was a 2nd rounder who got cut by the team that drafted him 2 years later, then got cut as the third string qb by the ravens, then was our 3rd string qb last year. And to add insult to injury, Beck will be 30, which gives less longevity possibility. Neither has proven anything, but how they have been treated by their respective teams is a pretty large indicator of how much they are valued in the nfl and a reasonably accurate predictor of how they will do in the future. Of course, neither has proven anything yet so there are no absolutes, but if you can't see why Redskins fans are concerned, then I think that's on you.

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The difference also between kolb n Beck is on field performance ... even in the little time they had...

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[quote=skinster;816635]True, but Kolb was kept on his team instead of one of the Eagles all time great qbs. Beck was a 2nd rounder who got cut by the team that drafted him 2 years later, then got cut as the third string qb by the ravens, then was our 3rd string qb last year. And to add insult to injury, Beck will be 30, which gives less longevity possibility. Neither has proven anything, but how they have been treated by their respective teams is a pretty large indicator of how much they are valued in the nfl and a reasonably accurate predictor of how they will do in the future. Of course, neither has proven anything yet so there are no absolutes, but if you can't see why Redskins fans are concerned, then I think that's on you.[/quote]

And you know from all of your NFL experience!! Give me a break dude! Kolb has played in 2 more games than Beck. You like Kolb because the NFL network, and other so called experts have jumped on the Kolb bandwagon. Aren't you tired of the big name free agents? Do you know better than MS? Maybe DS should have hired you to lead the Redskins with all of your experience. Why am i wasting my time????

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[quote=Meks;816639]The difference also between kolb n Beck is on field performance ... even in the little time they had...[/quote]

Dude your talking about apples and oranges... Beck started 4 games for a horrible Miami team that threw in the towel on the season.

Kolb played behind a solid Eagles team.

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The cold fact is that no one, not even Beck, knows who he is as an NFL starter.

He could be the next come-from-nowhere Kurt Warner. Or he could be the next Patrick Ramsey.

What we do know is that if he cannot beat out Grossman for the starting job, we are in trouble offensively.

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[quote=Brody81;816652]Dude your talking about apples and oranges... Beck started 4 games for a horrible Miami team that threw in the towel on the season.

Kolb played behind a solid Eagles team.[/quote]

Seriously, I bet if it had been Kolb in Miami and Beck in Philly and Beck had gotten the chance to show what he could do in relief appearances, right about now Kolb would be in Beck's shoes and Beck would be in AZ signing a contract for 63 million. Miami had an atrocious team that year. Philly surrounded Kolb with a mixture of young talent and proven vets. Apples and oranges [B][I]indeed[/I][/B].

@Skinster: Beck wasn't cut, we traded for him. Granted it was Doug Dutch, but if this move works out and Beck starts looking like a decent quarterback everybody will look back at this as a win for the Skins. Especially if we can turn around and flip Beck for picks or a player down the road.

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Listen I effing hate Kevin kolb and those clowns in Philly. But until beck proves otherwise. .. kolb is better right now

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how far can Beck take us?
Probably at least to the McDonalds drive thru.
Anything else is gravy.
Expecting any more than a 6-10 season with this squad and him leading is crazy.

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[quote=Brody81;816648]And you know from all of your NFL experience!! Give me a break dude! Kolb has played in 2 more games than Beck. You like Kolb because the NFL network, and other so called experts have jumped on the Kolb bandwagon. Aren't you tired of the big name free agents? Do you know better than MS? Maybe DS should have hired you to lead the Redskins with all of your experience. Why am i wasting my time????[/quote]

Yo, Chill the eff out bro. All I said is that there is strong indicators for there to be reason for redskins fans to not be sold on beck. Even if you have a different view, if you don't understand why redskins fans are nervous or pessimistic about beck, then your just an idiot. Of course anything can happen, Beck could be great, but the indicators say probably not.
And for the record, I don't like kolb at all. I just understand why he is highly more desired than beck, which is what I tried to iterate in the last post.

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Regarding Kolb...he can't be that good, the eagles traded him for a steal....they have a tendancy to do that with average QB's

I wish we got value like that....pisses me off frankly

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Oh yeah...you guy remember another head coach favorite QB that no one else in the NFL thought could succeed...Danny Wuerfull?

Not saying Beck is that bad...but....arrogance blinds and Skins fans sometimes suffer....I sure wish our coach were more objective and humble.

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[quote=skinster;816674]Yo, Chill the eff out bro. All I said is that there is strong indicators for there to be reason for redskins fans to not be sold on beck. Even if you have a different view, if you don't understand why redskins fans are nervous or pessimistic about beck, then your just an idiot. Of course anything can happen, Beck could be great, but the indicators say probably not.
And for the record, I don't like kolb at all. I just understand why he is highly more desired than beck, which is what I tried to iterate in the last post.[/quote]

[B] but the indicators say probably not[/B]?? Your scouting indicators? You must of received your indicators from your kickball captain.

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I am willing to let Beck have his shot, but come on now guys. The guy has been shuffled around so much in his short NFL career that only the delusional aren't going to be rather skeptical about the guy. If this guy couldn't get the starting job down in Miami, what makes you think he all of a sudden is going to become a stud for us? In fact, when has a drafted QB dud ever turn around his career and become a stud? Remember Gus Frerotte and Patrick Ramsey? The Gator twins that came with the Ole Ball Coach? JC? JC is the only one of the aforementioned guys that has a shot at redemption, but probably won't be a stud. History is not on the side of John Beck,and I would not put any money on him being a stud for us either. He is a backup for the newbie that will be drafted in 2012. And if the Skins were to get a little bold and take two Qbs, he might not be on the team.

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[quote=Brody81;816678][B] but the indicators say probably not[/B]?? Your scouting indicators? You must of received your indicators from your kickball captain.[/quote]

I'm like 90% sure your joking cause nobody is that dumb that they can't see that fans being worried about a journeyman 3rd stringer suddenly becoming a starter is a reasonable concern. If your not, I dub thee, sir Brody, the biggest moron on this site.

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[quote=skinster;816687]I'm like 90% sure your joking cause nobody is that dumb that they can't see that fans being worried about a journeyman 3rd stringer suddenly becoming a starter is a reasonable concern. If your not, I dub thee, sir Brody, the biggest moron on this site.[/quote]

skinster: the only moron is someone who passes judgement about someone without proof or evidence. We know nothing about Beck. Yes, he could suck, but he at least deserves a chance to succeed before we claim him a failure. I know your probably really good on your kickball team, and you think you know talent, but hold off on passing judgment until you have some evidence.

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[quote=skinsnut;816675]Regarding Kolb...he can't be that good, the eagles traded him for a steal....they have a tendancy to do that with average QB's

I wish we got value like that....pisses me off frankly[/quote]

Are you really comparing Spurrier to Shanahan?

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Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?

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Beck, like anyone else, should get a fair and neutral evaluation when he is on the field. There are numerous examples of late blooming QBs who moved around, got cut etc, until they found a situation that fit them.

Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head (there are many more). I am defining good as - can be a part of a team that wins games....not stats alone.

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[quote=Kope;816699]Beck, like anyone else, should get a fair and neutral evaluation when he is on the field. There are numerous examples of late blooming QBs who moved around, got cut etc, until they found a situation that fit them.

Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head (there are many more). I am defining good as - can be a part of a team that wins games....not stats alone.[/quote]

I agree that Beck deserves aa shot, but history is not on his side. Dilfer sucked, but was on a TB team with a defense that could carry a team. Gannon was good for only for a relatively short time in my book. Warner was hot for what 4 seasons til the Rams ran out of gas?

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[quote=Brody81;816693]skinster: the only moron is someone who passes judgement about someone without proof or evidence. We know nothing about Beck. Yes, he could suck, but he at least deserves a chance to succeed before we claim him a failure. I know your probably really good on your kickball team, and you think you know talent, but hold off on passing judgment until you have some evidence.[/quote]

Lol, you didn't actually read any of my posts you responded to did you? I made it pretty clear that he could possibly be good, we don't know because he hasn't shown us that he can't (pretty much what you just said), but I was trying to get you to lay off people who are pessimistic about him. It is reasonable for fans to be worried about a 3rd string qb journeyman taking the reigns. I'm one of those fans who doesn't think Beck will be our answer, but I still am waiting to see, and not completely writing him off until he proves to me otherwise.

I'm not pretending to be a scout, so stop with the kickball references. And since Beck has shown nothing in the NFL, please don't tell me you see the good in him. The only data we have on beck is that he is a journeyman 3rd stringer, which does not inspire confidence in him. It is ignorant to ignore what we know about him, as well as the trends and statistics that go along with the this knowledge. Hopefully he is an outlier, but we can only find that out once he plays.

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[quote=mooby;816697]Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?[/quote]

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;816706]How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.[/quote]

How many SBs did Elway loose before he won two? They were only champions when they were together...however, Shanahan still was in the playoffs a bunch.

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I am all for giving Beck a fair shake and I really hope he does make me eat crow, but common sense based on historical precedent, doesn't bode well for MR. Beck. I also think that Shanny and the FO know what they are doing. They know drafting a QB this season without shoring up the O line and upgrading the WR corp with tall, physical athletes would have been a waste. We need a massive upgrade in all positions. I think Beck is just there to backup Rex and possibly get the fans excited about something in what might be a .500 type record year. For the record, I think Shanny is a very good coach, but I don't think you can use the two SB titles as an example of how good he is since that team was built already before he was HC.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;816710]I am all for giving Beck a fair shake and I really hope he does make me eat crow, but common sense based on historical precedent, doesn't bode well for MR. Beck. I also think that Shanny and the FO know what they are doing. They know drafting a QB this season without shoring up the O line and upgrading the WR corp with tall, physical athletes would have been a waste. We need a massive upgrade in all positions. I think Beck is just there to backup Rex and possibly get the fans excited about something in what might be a .500 type record year. For the record, I think Shanny is a very good coach, but I don't think you can use the two SB titles as an example of how good he is since that team was built already before he was HC.[/quote]

I'm definitely not calling Shanny a coaching god, I'm simply saying he's an established coach with established credentials. He's nowhere near as bad a coach as Spurrier was. And using Beck as a way to drum up excitement for the team has to be the most asinine thing I've ever heard of. He's getting pounded on every message board, every tv station, and almost every website for his decision to go into the season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as his guys. He's staking his reputation on these guys. At least give him some benefit of the doubt. He has shown an ability to do things with lesser talent in the past.

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Every NFL show every person out there is beating the hell out this kid verbally.

Mark Rypien is probably never going to the hall but he got the job done when everyone said he was garbage including Jack Kent Cooke to a point that he rolled up on Joe Gibbs and told him he screwed it up.

Im not saying he's the savior (for the record neither was campbell) I'm saying other than Joe Theisman (and I know im missing many generations of great skins players) this team's winning seasons weren't based on dynamite big name QB's hell one of them weren't even a starter in the league.

Give the Book of John (which is what alot of BYU fans refer to him as) a chance he didn't have much to win with in Miami so you can't solely fault him on that he was running for his life back there. Also Clemens, Chapell, and Grossman, all can win this job.

On a side note Did you catch Warren Sapps reaction when Joe Theisman said Beck looked alot like Brees!? Gotta say this is probably reaching but if we go 14-2 under this guy myself and a whole lotta skins fans are gonna be eating their hats and loads of crow too.

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I think, just gut instinct, Rex will be our day one starter. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but if it's Beck I'll be pulling for him as I imagine all Skins fans will

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[quote=pg86;816717]Every NFL show every person out there is beating the hell out this kid verbally.

Mark Rypien is probably never going to the hall but he got the job done when everyone said he was garbage including Jack Kent Cooke to a point that he rolled up on Joe Gibbs and told him he screwed it up.

Im not saying he's the savior (for the record neither was campbell) I'm saying other than Joe Theisman (and I know im missing many generations of great skins players) this team's winning seasons weren't based on dynamite big name QB's hell one of them weren't even a starter in the league.

Give the Book of John (which is what alot of BYU fans refer to him as) a chance he didn't have much to win with in Miami so you can't solely fault him on that he was running for his life back there. Also Clemens, Chapell, and Grossman, all can win this job.

On a side note Did you catch Warren Sapps reaction when Joe Theisman said Beck looked alot like Brees!? Gotta say this is probably reaching but if we go 14-2 under this guy myself and a whole lotta skins fans are gonna be eating their hats and loads of crow too.[/quote]

we're not going 14-2... 8-8 would be pretty lucky.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;816710]I am all for giving Beck a fair shake and I really hope he does make me eat crow, but common sense based on historical precedent, doesn't bode well for MR. Beck. I also think that Shanny and the FO know what they are doing. They know drafting a QB this season without shoring up the O line and upgrading the WR corp with tall, physical athletes would have been a waste. We need a massive upgrade in all positions. I think Beck is just there to backup Rex and possibly get the fans excited about something in what might be a .500 type record year. For the record, I think Shanny is a very good coach, but I don't think you can use the two SB titles as an example of how good he is since that team was built already before he was HC.[/quote]

...Yeah, no it wasn't. The Broncos were in no way "built" before Shanahan was there. Shanahan was the one who put Rod Smith on the field. Shanahan drafted Terrell Davis. Mike Shanahan added McCafferty. Shanahan helped build the o-line with guys like Mark Schlereth, Shanahan bought in guys on the defensive guys on the ball.

The Broncos had been surviving on the talent of John Elway alone for years. There's a reason the Broncos got blown out in every single Super Bowl before Shanahan got there; they did a crappy job putting any sort of team around him. No run game, bad wide receivers.

Shanahan helped build a team around Elway that helped him win those two Super Bowls. The idea that Mike had little or nothing to do with those Denver Broncos teams winning is patently false and wrong headed.

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No one knows what Beck can do, rookie year doesn't count. I'm all for giving him a chance. He was great in college, is athletic, has a couple of years on the bench learning and just might surprise a lot of people. I would love to see him win the starting QB position.

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[quote=mooby;816713]I'm definitely not calling Shanny a coaching god, I'm simply saying he's an established coach with established credentials. He's nowhere near as bad a coach as Spurrier was. And using Beck as a way to drum up excitement for the team has to be the most asinine thing I've ever heard of. He's getting pounded on every message board, every tv station, and almost every website for his decision to go into the season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as his guys. He's staking his reputation on these guys. At least give him some benefit of the doubt. He has shown an ability to do things with lesser talent in the past.[/quote]What do you mean? Everyone is talking about Beck, and whether he can do it or not!! That is drumming up interest!!!!!!!! Getting folks to talk, etc is still ginning up publicity. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys have stayed in the limelight using these type of tactics. If they didn't, nobody would give a rat's ass about them. Same with the Redskins. The new thing now among celebrities is to always stay in the headlines, even with negative publicity. You can't tell me the Cowboys haven't made $$$$$$$$$$$ off of their soap opera existence the last 15 years. And Snyder has Jones tactics down pat as well. How else can you be one of the richest sports franchises in the world and always putting out a crap product?

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I mean look at the crap that happened during the last 4 years and tell me that controversy, crazy antics, and crazy ass decision making by the front office hasn't generated a ton of $$$$ for Snyder. JC, AH, and the McNabb sagas, gave Snyder free publicity in selling tickets. Shanahan has given the fans reason to hope for better days, just like the initial excitement of Spurrier's hiring, or when Coach Gibbs came back. Bringing in controversy or a breath of fresh air keeps the fans interested or at the very least talking, and that is bound to generate an increase in revenue. Bottom line is negative publicity is still publicity.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;816852]What do you mean? Everyone is talking about Beck, and whether he can do it or not!! That is drumming up interest!!!!!!!! Getting folks to talk, etc is still ginning up publicity. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys have stayed in the limelight using these type of tactics. If they didn't, nobody would give a rat's ass about them. Same with the Redskins. The new thing now among celebrities is to always stay in the headlines, even with negative publicity. You can't tell me the Cowboys haven't made $$$$$$$$$$$ off of their soap opera existence the last 15 years. And Snyder has Jones tactics down pat as well. How else can you be one of the richest sports franchises in the world and always putting out a crap product?[/quote]

You might be right about negative publicity still being publicity and all that, but starting John Beck is not a publicity move. Look at it like this: Do you think Snyder wants to win, or make money? Granted, he wants to make both. But winning is at the top of his agenda, because there's no doubt if the Redskins were winning consistently, he'd make even more money than he's making now.

Shanny is staking his future on these two qb's. If he didn't think they were capable of being a starting quarterback, we would've traded for, signed, or drafted someone that could be.

Being a coach is not about publicity stunts. It's about winning games. To think that Shanny would rather care about publicity than winning football games is asinine, because if he doesn't win games he won't stick around. And the bottom line is that Shanny and Bruce Allen are running this team, not Dan Snyder. You think Dan Snyder would go out and give 27 mil to a defensive end with minimal starting experience? Please.

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[quote=skinster;816635]True, but Kolb was kept on his team instead of one of the Eagles all time great qbs. Beck was a 2nd rounder who got cut by the team that drafted him 2 years later, then got cut as the third string qb by the ravens, then was our 3rd string qb last year. And to add insult to injury, Beck will be 30, which gives less longevity possibility. Neither has proven anything, but how they have been treated by their respective teams is a pretty large indicator of how much they are valued in the nfl and a reasonably accurate predictor of how they will do in the future. Of course, neither has proven anything yet so there are no absolutes, but if you can't see why Redskins fans are concerned, then I think that's on you.[/quote]

Your team just traded an all pro QB from the same team you are singing praises of their treatment of their QB's as being an indicator of said QB's worth. One has to wonder why you would think so highly of that system to compare Kolb to Beck with Beck being the negative of the two.

I will bet here and now that Beck will out play Kolb this season. jm2c I will also bet that Kolb will be back in the barn at the Reed house for free within 3 years! The Cards were idiots for paying that much for Kolb and Reed must be dying laughing all the way to the bank this year! He pulled that on us with Feeley back in 03-04.

As for Orton I'm so happy Miami didn't do the stupid deal and pay an equal price for Orton. BTW the guy is 11 & 18 in his last 29 starts, so much for him being anyone's savior!

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Should never have traded Jason Campbell :D

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[quote=GusFrerotte;816852]What do you mean? Everyone is talking about Beck, and whether he can do it or not!! That is drumming up interest!!!!!!!! Getting folks to talk, etc is still ginning up publicity. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys have stayed in the limelight using these type of tactics. If they didn't, nobody would give a rat's ass about them. Same with the Redskins. The new thing now among celebrities is to always stay in the headlines, even with negative publicity. You can't tell me the Cowboys haven't made $$$$$$$$$$$ off of their soap opera existence the last 15 years. And Snyder has Jones tactics down pat as well. How else can you be one of the richest sports franchises in the world and always putting out a crap product?[/quote]

The Paris Hilton of the NFL.

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[quote=mooby;816871]You might be right about negative publicity still being publicity and all that, but starting John Beck is not a publicity move. Look at it like this: Do you think Snyder wants to win, or make money? Granted, he wants to make both. But winning is at the top of his agenda, because there's no doubt if the Redskins were winning consistently, he'd make even more money than he's making now.

Shanny is staking his future on these two qb's. If he didn't think they were capable of being a starting quarterback, we would've traded for, signed, or drafted someone that could be.[/quote]+1 I was thinking the same thing about Beck vs Kolb:

[quote=me from another forum]Imo people/many fans have a hard time separating a QB's individual talent from the context of their surroundings.

How much of Kolb's success is due to the Eagles FO, scheme, coaching, and surrounding talent?

How much of Beck's 'failure' was due to Miami's FO, scheme, coaching and surrounding talent?

That's why a proper assessment of skillset is important.

I don't think their is a huge difference between the skillset of Kolb vs John Beck.

But, even in this forum the perception is that Beck is barely more physically talented then Rex Grossman.

I think its a safe bet that if Beck wins the starting job here he'll put up better numbers then Kolb. [/quote]

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I hope Beck and his wife end up annoying me as much as Kurt Warner and his wife after retirement. They already have a lot of similarities. Both deeply religious, throw ugly spirals deep, accurate, quick release, won't shut up about how confident they are, overlooked one way or another. Still can anyone give me a definitive report on how Beck looks in camp. All I have is Kyle Shanahan saying he needs to tell him to leave him alone, a couple of ugly deep balls, a million questions, and the work ethic of every great QB in this league.