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[quote=Mattyk;831139]It's almost like Ramsey all over again. He got screwed, he never had a fair shot, etc. When in reality he just can't play.[/quote]


Sh-t, at least Ramsey actually started games in this league. He left here and made it to other rosters as a #2 or #3....Colt aint do SH-T......

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[quote=REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE;831142]+956546747646446467467



He was f-ckin garbage, had one DECENT game and the Colt of Colt went on to proclaim him as the one that we let get away. Like I said earlier, we shouldve kept Chase Daniel, a QB who is actually still in the league. I believe he is the # QB behind Brees. Colt probably couldnt even make a Canadian League roster as a 3rd QB.....[/quote]

One decent PRESEASON game. His diehards convinced themselves that his limited physical ability and poor mechanics were actually just "moxie". It was amazing.

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I am surprised I thought it was Beck all the way. Feel like this has the chance to be like Dayne Chryst and Tommy Reese for Notre Dame. I think I wanted Beck because of the "unknown" and I was hoping he was better than we were all thinking. Oh well we shall see, hopefully they made this decision with the goal of winning as many games this year as possible. Cant wait for sunday!

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[quote=Jontrem;831147]I am surprised I thought it was Beck all the way. Feel like this has the chance to be like Dayne Chryst and Tommy Reese for Notre Dame. I think I wanted Beck because of the "unknown" and I was hoping he was better than we were all thinking. Oh well we shall see, hopefully they made this decision with the goal of winning as many games this year as possible. Cant wait for sunday![/quote]

One thing you can always count on as a Redskins fan is a QB controversy.

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If Grossman can perform like he did in pre season I am all for him. But I remember his time at Chicago and his horrible ratings then. I mean to this date he has a 40/40 rating. If he does good this year then fine.. but hes not someone to build a team around for the future. Jason Campbell wasnt either. I liked ferrotte and brennan.

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Two straight years, Mike Shanahan does not lie with his depth chart. You will see what he's thinking, whether or not it makes sense to you.

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[quote=Mattyk;831048]I don't care who it is... just win.[/quote]

This.

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I am glad that the Skins put it out early in the week. Now I am looking forward to Eli starting the season with a 3-4 pick game, and Good Rex showing up for a 3TDs 300 yard game

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;831156]I am glad that the Skins put it out early in the week. Now I am looking forward to Eli starting the season with a 3-4 pick game, and Good Rex showing up for a 3TDs 300 yard game[/quote]

Same here...I didn't want this to be a bit of a circus in the week before the opener. Also, as I had mentioned before, I was curious to know who was Kyle Shanahan's choice, and I wonder if this was the case. I hope there is enough talent around Rex to make him a good QB. This team needs continuity in every area, including at the QB position. Feel a bit bad for Beck, since I know this injury he had affected his ability to play, and Rex jumped on the opportunity. But hey, this happens. Now let's get this season started with a big time "W" against the G-men.

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Its all gonna hinge on the offensive line. .

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Yeah, I never liked him. Colt came from a school that played most of their games at home, with their opponents, not only of lesser fare, but they had to fly like 7,000 miles to get to HA. Any QB could have had that passingrecord if they had those advantages going for them. Daniel I thought should have stayed, but even that was a coaches call.

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The players felt like Grossman gave them the best chance to win too, I'd assume everyone does.

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Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...

Rex Grossman (6'1, 222 lbs) = Joe Theismann (6'0, 192 lbs) anyone??

As a reminder... Theismann did not start regularly until he was 29 (John Beck anyone?), when he had his first season where he started more than 7 games. Grossman is 30 and has just one season of more than 7 starts while in his 20's as well. So at age 30, they both are close in games/experience, which for both was not good... but people forget just how bad Theismann was in his 20's. I'm sure when he got the starting nod, people laughed as well.

Check Theismann's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
25 14-11 369-768 48% 4,967 30 40 98 60.4

Here's Grossman's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
31 19-12 524-971 54% 6,197 33 36 58 69.5

Some things that stood out... Theismann was garbage early in his career. How many guys could survive to 30 in today's NFL with a 48% completion pct and averaging an INT every 18 throws? Also.. check out the huge difference in sacks. Theismann has ([B]CORRECTION --->[/B]) 40 more in 200+ less dropbacks!

However, as we all know, Theismann was DECENT at age 30-32 (58.6% comp, 9,327 yds, 56 TDs, 49 INT, 78.5 QBR), then put it together for 2 1/2 years from age 33 to 35. He was 34 when he had a career year (60% comp, 3,700 yds, 29 TDs, 11 INTs, 97.0 QBR) & won a Super Bowl.

Last year, at age 30, Grossman was 55.6% comp, 884 yds, 7 TDs, 4 INTs, 81.2 QBR... and honestly, surprised with how "un-horrible" he was. Then this Preseason he looked even more comfortable with the offense and throwing to Moss & Gaffney (who he played with at Florida).

To add, if you get the time, check out how horrible Doug Williams was (47% comp, 66.2 QBR) before he turned 30 and went to Skins as well...

Just saying.... Grossman could be on the same path (with the new "Smurfs/Fun Bunch" = Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Austin??)

What can I say? This the one time of year we are all pumped about how great we'll be and I'm all in!

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Grew up watching Theismann... but cant stand to listen to his commentating now. But I love watching Riggo's show..... He tells it like it is and doesnt hold any punches...

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[quote=Skinsfan6776;831177]Grew up watching Theismann... but cant stand to listen to his commentating now. But I love watching Riggo's show..... He tells it like it is and doesnt hold any punches...[/quote]

I want to have drink with Riggo. If I ever see him out, I'm buying him a drink and from what I hear he won't turn it down.

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;831174]Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...

Rex Grossman (6'1, 222 lbs) = Joe Theismann (6'0, 192 lbs) anyone??

As a reminder... Theismann did not start regularly until he was 29 (John Beck anyone?), when he had his first season where he started more than 7 games. Grossman is 30 and has just one season of more than 7 starts while in his 20's as well. So at age 30, they both are close in games/experience, which for both was not good... but people forget just how bad Theismann was in his 20's. I'm sure when he got the starting nod, people laughed as well.

Check Theismann's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
25 14-11 369-768 48% 4,967 30 40 98 60.4

Here's Grossman's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
31 19-12 524-971 54% 6,197 33 36 58 69.5

Some things that stood out... Theismann was garbage early in his career. How many guys could survive to 30 in today's NFL with a 48% completion pct and averaging an INT every 18 throws? Also.. check out the huge difference in sacks. Theismann has 20 more in 200+ less dropbacks.

However, as we all know, Theismann was DECENT at age 30-32 (58.6% comp, 9,327 yds, 56 TDs, 49 INT, 78.5 QBR), then put it together for 2 1/2 years from age 33 to 35. He was 34 when he had a career year (60% comp, 3,700 yds, 29 TDs, 11 INTs, 97.0 QBR) & won a Super Bowl.

Last year, at age 30, Grossman was 55.6% comp, 884 yds, 7 TDs, 4 INTs, 81.2 QBR... and honestly, surprised with how "un-horrible" he was. Then this Preseason he looked even more comfortable with the offense and throwing to Moss & Gaffney (who he played with at Florida).

To add, if you get the time, check out how horrible Doug Williams was (47% comp, 66.2 QBR) before he turned 30 and went to Skins as well...

Just saying.... Grossman could be on the same path (with the new "Smurfs/Fun Bunch" = Moss, Armstrong, Austin??)

What can I say? This the one time of year we are all pumped about how great we'll be and I'm all in![/QUOTE]

nice work

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;831174]Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...

Rex Grossman (6'1, 222 lbs) = Joe Theismann (6'0, 192 lbs) anyone??

As a reminder... Theismann did not start regularly until he was 29 (John Beck anyone?), when he had his first season where he started more than 7 games. Grossman is 30 and has just one season of more than 7 starts while in his 20's as well. So at age 30, they both are close in games/experience, which for both was not good... but people forget just how bad Theismann was in his 20's. I'm sure when he got the starting nod, people laughed as well.

Check Theismann's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
25 14-11 369-768 48% 4,967 30 40 98 60.4

Here's Grossman's numbers in his 20's:
GS W-L COMP-ATT PCT YDS TD INT SACKS RATE
31 19-12 524-971 54% 6,197 33 36 58 69.5

Some things that stood out... Theismann was garbage early in his career. How many guys could survive to 30 in today's NFL with a 48% completion pct and averaging an INT every 18 throws? Also.. check out the huge difference in sacks. Theismann has 20 more in 200+ less dropbacks.

However, as we all know, Theismann was DECENT at age 30-32 (58.6% comp, 9,327 yds, 56 TDs, 49 INT, 78.5 QBR), then put it together for 2 1/2 years from age 33 to 35. He was 34 when he had a career year (60% comp, 3,700 yds, 29 TDs, 11 INTs, 97.0 QBR) & won a Super Bowl.

Last year, at age 30, Grossman was 55.6% comp, 884 yds, 7 TDs, 4 INTs, 81.2 QBR... and honestly, surprised with how "un-horrible" he was. Then this Preseason he looked even more comfortable with the offense and throwing to Moss & Gaffney (who he played with at Florida).

To add, if you get the time, check out how horrible Doug Williams was (47% comp, 66.2 QBR) before he turned 30 and went to Skins as well...

Just saying.... Grossman could be on the same path (with the new "Smurfs/Fun Bunch" = Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Austin??)

What can I say? This the one time of year we are all pumped about how great we'll be and I'm all in![/quote]

too bad he doesn't have joe and doug's O line, I think that's part of what really helped them.

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[quote=That Guy;831181]too bad he doesn't have joe and doug's O line, I think that's part of what really helped them.[/quote]

He may get similar run production... surprisingly, I think there is a big misconception about Theismann's O-Line's protection...

In 9 games in 1982, he was sacked 30 times!
In 1983 (his career year) he was sacked 34 times in 16 games.
In 1984, he was sacked 48 times in 16 games!

These were the 3 great years (2 Super Bowls, etc.) ... I hope this line can live up to those numbers at least!

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You are not going to get another Joey T from either of these guys. These guys are a stop gap til the 2012 draft. And don't be too surprised if we pull a Shuler/ Frerotte type thing either( first pick and late pick both QBs). At this point it wil be great to get Moore, Keenum or Foles as our #1, then get someone like Persa in the later rounds. Persa is a great QB but is still rehabbing from the torn Achilles, so his value will go down, but will be a great QB pickup. There will be other decent Qbs available in the mid to latter rounds next season. The kid from Texas A&M looked decent.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;831134]As I expected and as I wanted.
I always thought the whole Beck hype was a bunch of hoohaa.
[B]Rex aint no Kenny Stabler but at least he has a little vet savvy.[/B]
But as I have said before, this is a throwaway year QB-wise.
Too bad because the reast of the team looks pretty good.[/quote]

But maybe Rex will be our Jim Plunkett! That's something I can deal with!

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He's a very hard worker, and a student of the game. Of course he's a starter.

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Mistake IMO. Hope Im wrong...

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[quote=44ever;831204]Mistake IMO. Hope Im wrong...[/quote]

I was hoping Beck honestly just because his mobility but I'll trust MS

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[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/30170/rex-grossman-to-start-for-redskins"]Rex Grossman to start for Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/URL]

. That the Redskins' coaches believe, based on the impressive way their defense, their running game and their offensive line performed in the preseason, that they have a better chance to contend this year than they originally believed and Grossman is the surer bet to play the kind of simple, mistake-free, good-decision quarterback they'll need.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;831174]Let me throw this out there, because I hope it's a similar story...
[/quote]

That would be nice

A for effort

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Hey fuerrote moore stock i think wont be too high because he is short.......

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Beck definitely beat my expectation but starting Rex is the right call. With thh way Beck played during the preseason having him as our backup is a blessing.

Let's get it! HTTR!

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[quote=12thMan;831025]Actually, if the coaching staff believes that Grossman should be our starting QB, that's who I want to finish the season. I'm no longer interested in what Beck "might do" if given a chance. Barring injury, let him ride the pine and let Rex do his thing and command the team.

I'm content on closing the chapter on Beck until circumstances dictate otherwise. I'm officially on the Rex bandwagon and pulling for him 100% every single game.[/quote]


Good post. Lets rally around the guy and see what happens...:pimp:

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[quote=saden1;831225]Beck definitely beat my expectation but starting Rex is the right call. With thh way Beck played during the preseason having him as our backup is a blessing.

Let's get it! HTTR![/quote]

Well said

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Most of Beck's supporters seem to be from the hype that the Shanahans created, making you believe he was the guy

So if you believed them then, believe them now..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;831213][URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/30170/rex-grossman-to-start-for-redskins"]Rex Grossman to start for Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/URL]

. That the Redskins' coaches believe, based on the impressive way their defense, their running game and their offensive line performed in the preseason, that they have a better chance to contend this year than they originally believed and Grossman is the surer bet to play the kind of simple, mistake-free, good-decision quarterback they'll need.[/quote]

Someone who doesn't actually click on the link may not realize that what you pulled is Graziano's opinion (one of his opinions)...though perhaps a legitimate one.

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I have been so 50-50 on who I wanted starting, but as I argued with neighbors I found myself sticking up for Rex more than Beck. I think its a good choice. I think the way we played as a whole, regardless of W and L in the preseason, was one of the deciding factors Rex was chosen. If we looked horrible, and still looking as though we were overmatched, I think Beck would have gotten the call even if he was outplayed by Rex. I think because we looked good in preseason, moved the ball well against #1's fairly effectively, Shanny decided to go with the experience of Rex, his understanding of the offense, and the way the locker room has been behind him. I think the teams building confidence in themselves and the bright spots we witnessed in preseason is giving the team and the coaches the confidence that we may not be as far off as what they originally thought. They were going to give Beck a shot to prove himself, but like I said i think during the preseason it looked like we have improved leaps and bounds and giving Rex the job sends a message that I want to win, I expect to win and compete for the division. Starting Beck would still have signified that we are building, going to see what we have in Beck, and I think would have been a little deflating to the preseason efforts of the entire team.

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I think Beck was being steamrolled into becoming the starter....I remember thinking, jeez, the guy has barely completed any passes and now all of the sudden, he's Joe Montana....thank god the coaches saw that he wasn't ready, he's still a full season of play away.

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I thought Rex should start because he has way more experience in actually playing in NFL games (including some really big games) than Beck does and in the end I really think Rex's experience played a big role in Shanny's decision.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;831207]I was hoping Beck honestly just because his mobility but I'll trust MS[/quote]

Well it's not like Beck is great but IMO he showed more ability than Grossman. I just don't like the idea of a QB shootout during regular season and I see that coming...

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[quote=44ever;831249]Well it's not like Beck is great but IMO he showed more ability than Grossman. I just don't like the idea of a QB shootout during regular season and I see that coming...[/quote]

There's natural ability...and then, there's how good of a QB you actually are.

When I was a boxer, I would often beat quicker, younger, more "naturally gifted" fighters. It wasn't that difficult - they often beat themselves. All I had to do was not lose my head.

Beck will be a good QB if he doesn't blow it. Not yet though - his habit of staring down receivers and throwing the ball away in-field, etc, need to be corrected. Maybe later this year, or next year even.

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I think Shanahan made the right move. Remember this move was based off of practice as well as game film, which we don't see. Let's see how Rex does.

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[quote=saden1;831225]Beck definitely beat my expectation but starting Rex is the right call. With thh way Beck played during the preseason having him as our backup is a blessing.

Let's get it! HTTR![/quote]

Mine too. I'm sure we'll see him at some point this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;831273]Mine too. I'm sure we'll see him at some point this year.[/quote]

hopefully when it is week 17 and we are resting our starters:)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;831275]hopefully when it is week 17 and we are resting our starters:)[/quote]

lol...I don't think that's why we'll see him but I hope you're right.