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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;937347]TMC, FactCheck is quite biased towards Obama and they cite the Tax Policy Center (another left-biased group) analysis of Romney's plan....which has been shown to be speculation rather than fact. Here is a good read from the WSJ which debunks the Dems claims on RomneyHood (robbing from the Middle Class to feed the Rich).

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577574910276629448.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read]Review & Outlook: The Romney Hood Fairy Tale - WSJ.com[/url][/quote]


Wait, now the Tax Policy Center is a "left-biased" group? Wa..wwha...what?

You guys are seriously desperate. I mean absolutely desperate. TPC is a non-partisan group. That means they don't care about affiliation, they care about numbers.

Didn't the WSJ get bought out by Faux New's Murdoch? Would explain this trash.

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NC, don't bother. Anything outside of the Fox bubble is "leftist" to SlinginSammy.

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How Mitt Romney plans to add $5 trillion to the deficit and expand our military with no offsetting cuts for middle class is completely baffling to me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;937357]Wait, now the Tax Policy Center is a "left-biased" group? Wa..wwha...what?

You guys are seriously desperate. I mean absolutely desperate. TPC is a non-partisan group. That means they don't care about affiliation, they care about numbers.

Didn't the WSJ get bought out by Faux New's Murdoch? Would explain this trash.[/quote]One of the guys that did the analysis in question was an Obama staffer, the other has been a Brookings Institute guy. There shouldn't be much question Brookings and TPC lean left.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;937350]I'll read them both, but does that lean more towards the right? I'd love to read something that's fairly neutral.[/quote]

[url]http://www.politifact.com/[/url]

Is what I use. It's been criticized by both liberals and conservatives, so I figure that's fair game.

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Another good article putting to rest the Dems misrepresentation of Romney's tax plan.

[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/08/23/dont-believe-obamas-ads-romney-is-a-middle-class-tax-cutter/"]Don't Believe Obama's Ads, Romney Is A Middle Class Tax Cutter - Forbes[/URL]

The Washington Post who overall is somewhere left of the Beijing Times, has been more even-handed in their Pinochio Rating and their Fact Check section over the last year or so.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker]The Fact Checker[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;937380]Another good article putting to rest the Dems misrepresentation of Romney's tax plan.

[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/08/23/dont-believe-obamas-ads-romney-is-a-middle-class-tax-cutter/"]Don't Believe Obama's Ads, Romney Is A Middle Class Tax Cutter - Forbes[/URL][/quote]


Yet you claim to have a problem with the guy who did the intial report?


[quote]
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About Me

I am Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Heartland Institute, General Counsel for the American Civil Rights Union, and Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis.[U] I served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush[/U].[/quote]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;937367][URL]http://www.politifact.com/[/URL]

Is what I use. It's been criticized by both liberals and conservatives, so I figure that's fair game.[/quote]

HAHA, nice. I'll check it out.

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Back to the DNC. Let's talk about that Clinton speech last night. He absolutely wrecked the GOP with that 48 minute speech. I heard somebody comment that the only thing the right wing media were complaining about was its length, and went on to say that if that's the only thing they could find to complain about then he obviously was doing something right. I watched it today at work and wanted to go out and vote for Clinton immediately. I'm still in awe of that speech.

Republicans had Clint. Democrats have Clinton.

Advantage: Democrats




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[quote=NC_Skins;937357]Wait, now the Tax Policy Center is a "left-biased" group? Wa..wwha...what?

You guys are seriously desperate. I mean absolutely desperate. TPC is a non-partisan group. That means they don't care about affiliation, they care about numbers.

Didn't the WSJ get bought out by Faux New's Murdoch? Would explain this trash.[/quote]

TPC is a joint venture of the Brookings Institute and the Urban Center. If your assertion is that the Brookings Institute is not left-leaning, I would respectfully disagree. I am unfamiliar with Urban Center, but a cursory review of its web-page seems to indicate (to me) it has its origins in LBJ's Great Society legislation.

I make no assertions as to TPC's accuracy but, it seems to me, the assertion that they are "left leaning" is well founded.

Malcolm, good luck finding "neutral" reporting or research. Everyone has a spin/agenda and facts omitted are just as important as facts considered. Read, inquire and seek your own truth. Being informed these days is hard work given the vast amount of information that exists and can be manipulated.

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Bottom line about Romney's tax plan is that he's lying and the numbers dont' add up. He can't keep all the promises that he says in his tax plan and it work out.


[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/05/martin-omalley/mitt-romneys-plan-would-cut-taxes-millionaires-whi/]PolitiFact | Mitt Romney's plan would cut taxes for millionaires while raising them for the middle class, says Martin O'Malley[/url]


[quote][U]The Tax Policy Center had to choose on its own what exemptions and deductions to get rid of, but the analysts tried to select the ones that most conformed to the principles Romney has outlined. [/U](The Tax Policy Center refers to them as "tax preferences.")

Still, the math didn’t work. If the tax plan is to generate the same amount of revenue and offer across-the-board tax cuts, some exemptions for the middle class would go away. "As a result, a revenue-neutral reform within these constraints would cut taxes at the high-end while raising them in the middle and perhaps bottom," wrote Donald Marron, the center’s director, in a blog post about the study.[/quote]



[quote][U]But Romney’s tax plan is vague and doesn’t appear to be able to keep all its promises[/U]. Romney has said he wants to eliminate deductions while cutting tax rates for everyone; bring in the same amount of revenue for the government; keep a higher burden on the wealthy; and keep low rates on savings and investments. A credible, independent analysis shows these goals are in tension with each other and don’t add up. [U]The Romney campaign has repeatedly declined to offer more specifics.[/U]
[/quote]

Doesn't take a genius to realize his tax plan is full of shit. Pretty much like he is as a candidate.

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[quote=NC_Skins;937387]Back to the DNC. Let's talk about that Clinton speech last night. He absolutely wrecked the GOP with that 48 minute speech. I heard somebody comment that the only thing the right wing media were complaining about was its length, and went on to say that if that's the only thing they could find to complain about then he obviously was doing something right. I watched it today at work and wanted to go out and vote for Clinton immediately. I'm still in awe of that speech.

Republicans had Clint. Democrats have Clinton.

Advantage: Democrats




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So your boss lets you post and watch 48 min videos from work?

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Gabby Giffords looks great!

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Well if you look at Obamas record we have 5 trillion def. in 3 years. While Romney cut taxes and balance the budget in Mass. The left can not use Mitts record in Mass. against him so they ignore it.

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John Kerry just pooped all over Romney's foreign policy experience, and what he would/will do.

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[quote=NC_Skins;937417]John Kerry just pooped all over Romney's foreign policy experience, and what he would/will do.[/quote]That was before he was against it. Or was it after he was for it. Or was it before he was after it.

This convention is nothing more than energizing the base, I will be surprised if there's any bump for the Ds after this debacle. Might even see Romney's advance get stronger.

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Why does the DNC think that Romney and Ryan want to go back to some of Clinton's policies ..... [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626.html]How HUD Mortgage Policy Fed The Crisis[/url] , [url=http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/easescredit.asp]snopes.com: Fannie Mae Eases Credit to Aid Mortgage Lending[/url].

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Obama simply clowns Romney on all levels. Guy is a immaculate speaker and motivator.


Biden's speech was very emotional and very personal to him. You could see his eyes watering there when he was getting choked up at one point.




[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;937424] I will be surprised if there's any bump for the Ds after this debacle. Might even see Romney's advance get stronger.[/quote]


Exactly what debacle might this be? Romney's numbers go up after the DNC??...lol

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[quote=budw38;937425]Why does the DNC think that Romney and Ryan want to go back to some of Clinton's policies ..... [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626.html]How HUD Mortgage Policy Fed The Crisis[/url] , [url=http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/easescredit.asp]snopes.com: Fannie Mae Eases Credit to Aid Mortgage Lending[/url].[/quote]



I don't recall hearing anybody say this. Link?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;937424]That was before he was against it. Or was it after he was for it. Or was it before he was after it.

This convention is nothing more than energizing the base, I will be surprised if there's any bump for the Ds after this debacle. Might even see Romney's advance get stronger.[/quote]

Wow. Yeah no. You make it sound as if all the dems did was blow hot air for 3 days and made no valid arguments or counter-arguments whatsoever. Like.. none. Zero. Why bother having a convention? Time to pack it in! :doh:

If anything, the numbers will stay the same, if not, make things a little closer.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;937424]That was before he was against it. Or was it after he was for it. Or was it before he was after it.

This convention is nothing more than energizing the base, I will be surprised if there's any bump for the Ds after this debacle. Might even see Romney's advance get stronger.[/quote]

Agreed. Dems are on the defensive, asking for patience instead of talking about accomplishments. Republicans are now in the same positon the Dems were in during the 2008 election talking about a failed presidency and telling the American people that they can get us out of this rut.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;937424]

This convention is nothing more than energizing the base, I will be surprised if there's any bump for the Ds after this debacle. Might even see Romney's advance get stronger.[/quote]

What flavor of kool-aid is it you are drinking???

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[quote=NC_Skins;937436]I don't recall hearing anybody say this. Link?[/quote] Clinton and others have stated that R&R want to go back to the " failed policies that got us into this mess " , as the Dems are claiming that the Bush tax cuts are what caused the problems. The Truth is , Presdent Clinton passed the
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/magazine/28wwln-reconsider.html?pagewanted=print[/URL] and the subprime lending act . [URL="http://washingtonindependent.com/82632/clinton-faults-himself-for-financial-industry-deregulation"]Clinton Faults Himself for Financial Industry Deregulation | The Washington Independent[/URL]. I just find it almost funny how dumb so many people are on the causes of the housing / banking crisis. Joe Corzine = CEO Golman Sachs , R. Rubin CEO , Citi , Barney Frank, Frank Rains , Fannie Mae . And of course some worthless sacks of garbage on wall street .[url=http://www.wpaag.org/Bailout%20-%20Who%20Caused%20Financil%20Crisis.htm]Who Is To Blame for the Fannie Mae[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;937455]What flavor of kool-aid is it you are drinking???[/quote]Apparently the same as Jen Psaki.

[url=http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/obama-campaign-aides-no-expectation-of-post-convention-bounce-20120907]Obama Campaign Aides: No Expectation of Post-Convention Bounce - NationalJournal.com[/url]

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[url=http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/flotus-speech-written-at-a-th-grade-level-134517.html]FLOTUS speech written at a 12th grade level - POLITICO.com[/url]


LOL. One speaking at a 12th grade level and the other speaking at a 5th grade level.

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[quote=budw38;937457]Clinton and others have stated that R&R want to go back to the " failed policies that got us into this mess " , as the Dems are claiming that the Bush tax cuts are what caused the problems. The Truth is , Presdent Clinton passed the
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/magazine/28wwln-reconsider.html?pagewanted=print[/URL] and the subprime lending act . [URL="http://washingtonindependent.com/82632/clinton-faults-himself-for-financial-industry-deregulation"]Clinton Faults Himself for Financial Industry Deregulation | The Washington Independent[/URL]. I just find it almost funny how dumb so many people are on the causes of the housing / banking crisis. Joe Corzine = CEO Golman Sachs , R. Rubin CEO , Citi , Barney Frank, Frank Rains , Fannie Mae . And of course some worthless sacks of garbage on wall street .[url=http://www.wpaag.org/Bailout%20-%20Who%20Caused%20Financil%20Crisis.htm]Who Is To Blame for the Fannie Mae[/url][/quote]


Not sure why you brought up the subprime lending act as I don't recall them specifically saying this which is why I asked for a link. I'm quite well aware of when the banking deregulation took place, but I think you are off base on what he's talking about. The failed policies he's talking about is:

1) Cutting taxes for ultra rich
2) Increase military spending
3) Sustaining wars on foreign lands
4) Deregulating businesses and banks in general


However, lets look at the bill you are talking about. You do realize this bill wasn't brought forth by a democrat right? It was 3 Republicans that sponsored this bill.

Sen. Phil Gramm (R, Texas), Rep. Jim Leach (R, Iowa), and Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R, Virginia), the co-sponsors of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act]Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


If you look, a vast majority of those opposed were democrats. So let's point that finger in the right direction. Thanks!

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DNC beats football in ratings.


[url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=160709091]Democratic Convention Beats Football In Ratings : NPR[/url]


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[url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/09/07/160730139/fact-checkers-ding-obama-and-biden-for-some-spinning]Fact Checkers Ding Obama And Biden For Some Spinning : It's All Politics : NPR[/url]

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[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/07/r-e-m-orders-fox-news-to-stop-playing-losing-my-religion-during-dnc/]R.E.M. orders Fox News to stop playing ‘Losing My Religion’ during DNC | The Raw Story[/url]

[quote]“We have little or no respect for their puff adder brand of reportage,” lead singer Michael Stipe said. “Our music does not belong there.”[/quote]

:thumb:

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[quote=NC_Skins;937515][URL="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/07/r-e-m-orders-fox-news-to-stop-playing-losing-my-religion-during-dnc/"]R.E.M. orders Fox News to stop playing ‘Losing My Religion’ during DNC | The Raw Story[/URL]



:thumb:[/quote]

I already liked REM before, but this earns them more cool points in my book.

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wow...I was embarresed to watch this.
This is my former governer that used to buy garbage from Canada.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EKux363Dg64]Jennifer Granholm DNC Speech Highlights: 'Rev Up Your Engines' - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;937450]Agreed. Dems are on the defensive, asking for patience instead of talking about accomplishments. Republicans are now in the same positon the Dems were in during the 2008 election talking about a failed presidency and telling the American people that they can get us out of this rut.[/quote]

Wait, we were losing 750,000 jobs per month, now we're adding private sector jobs at a clip of about 138K this year; 150k the year before. You're telling me that's not an improvement?

Most of the job losses under Obama have been gov't and public sector jobs.

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And let's face it if Obama wasn't running on his record, as some pretend, he'd be getting absolutely hammered in the polls. Especially in states like IA, PA, and OH. Where he's leading and voters pay attention to the issues.

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Just ran the Clinton speech from the other night, WOW. That dude still got it, he is the master speaker.

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[quote=NC_Skins;937480][url=http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/flotus-speech-written-at-a-th-grade-level-134517.html]FLOTUS speech written at a 12th grade level - POLITICO.com[/url]


LOL. One speaking at a 12th grade level and the other speaking at a 5th grade level.[/quote]

From that same article:

"President Obama, on the other hand, has delivered some of the lowest grade level State of the Unions — preferring shorter, simpler sentences in his addresses."

The judgment was made upon sentence structure of the speech, not on the complexity of ideas expressed through that sentence structure.

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[quote=12thMan;937564]Wait, we were losing 750,000 jobs per month, now we're adding private sector jobs at a clip of about 138K this year; 150k the year before. You're telling me that's not an improvement?

Most of the job losses under Obama have been gov't and public sector jobs.[/quote]Obama is a net job loser. There were 133.56 million total jobs when he was inaugurated and there are just 133.24 total jobs today.
In the first 29 months of the Reagan recovery, the private sector created [B]8.04 million[/B] jobs. Doing the math, that's 277K jobs / mo.

When you look at the numbers of folks dropping out of the workforce and other details of the jobless numbers, it's much worse than just 8.1%.

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"Since 1961 … our private economy has produced 66 million private-sector jobs. So what's the jobs score? Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 (million)."

so, SS, that's a bad arguement. the above statement is true, though it's hard to say specifically who did what.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;937604]From that same article:

"President Obama, on the other hand, has delivered some of the lowest grade level State of the Unions — preferring shorter, simpler sentences in his addresses."

The judgment was made upon sentence structure of the speech, not on the complexity of ideas expressed through that sentence structure.[/quote]

Technically politicians are supposed to speak to the public at something like an 8th grade level (I may be off, it could be higher), so I've been told. Since there are so many people who are high school dropouts, haven't gone to high school, etc. they're supposed to speak at a lower level to make themselves more accessible to the public. I guess the more technical, big words and terms you use, the more out of touch you seem. :confused:

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By the way, early voting has been restored back to Ohio. Awesome.

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yeah, that was a solution without a problem. this isn't the 1840s.