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[quote=53Fan;957983]I think Mike has improved the personell on this team and except for the secondary put it in pretty good shape for the next HC and his new assistant coaches.[/quote]I think this is an optimistic way to view it. The team is significantly younger and has some talent. But we need to get an architect in here at some point.

Could an architect and Shanahan co-exist? Stranger things have happened.

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I dont know about Shanny, but Romeo Crennel might get fired at halftime

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[quote=skinsfan69;957946]who is responsible for bringing in all these wr's that can't catch? at some point, the braintrust has to held accountable for the lack of talent on this team.[/quote]

So why weren't you complaining when the receivers were catching the passes up to this game? Again, I think it's typical Redskins fan knee-jerk reaction, but why should I expect anything different? When the players don't execute, it's the coaches fault, but when they do, it's completely the players' credit and none to the coaches. At least you guys are consistent, lol!

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[quote=The Goat;957979]Thank you...I'm not sure NC actually follows football.[/quote]

So now a 3-3 team is better than when Shanahan was coaching in Denver?....lol That's simply hating just for the sake of hating. Yeah, we should have brought in Jeff Fischer, who's currently got the same record as Mike. (3-5)


[quote=punch it in;957982]They actually beat the steelers with tim frikkin tebow at qb. The steelers who just made little girls out of us. [/quote]

It was a fluke. 3 passes. 2 of those passes were over 50 yard YAC. Look at the game and the stats and come back and tell me exactly how amazing Tebow was. Which is why he got curb stomped by New England.....AND he got traded that following off-season. You really aren't helping your case here.

This Denver team isn't even that great and that's with Manning

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Some of you farm animals apparently didn't watch the games against Atlanta, Minnesota, and the Giants. Acting like the whole team has been flat for a month.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;957996]Some of you farm animals apparently didn't watch the games against Atlanta, Minnesota, and the Giants. Acting like the whole team has been flat for a month.[/QUOTE]

Should have won last week! Still sucks lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;957996]Some of you farm animals apparently didn't watch the games against Atlanta, Minnesota, and the Giants. Acting like the whole team has been flat for a month.[/quote]One week, one month, three years, it's all selective endpoints anyway.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;957995]This Denver team isn't even that great and that's with Manning[/quote]

You must not watch football. Denver has turned around its football team 10 fold since Mike was fired. I mean....they are 23-31 since Mike was fired!! SO MUCH BETTER!!!

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;958001]You must not watch football. Denver has turned around its football team 10 fold since Mike was fired. I mean....they are 23-31 since Mike was fired!! SO MUCH BETTER!!![/QUOTE]

Lol

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[quote=GTripp0012;957999]One week, one month, three years, it's all selective endpoints anyway.[/quote]

I believe the team was awful today. I also think this is the first time all season tebteam has looked completely flat from start to finish. So I'm not going to slit my wrists over it. But what do I know. I'm just a kool-aid drinking apologist

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[quote=SmootSmack;957996]Some of you farm animals apparently didn't watch the games against Atlanta, Minnesota, and the Giants. Acting like the whole team has been flat for a month.[/quote]Moo! Aside from Griffin and Morris highlights, those games haven't inspired much confidence either. We lost all those games (except for a miracle run by RGIII vs Minn.) for many reasons.

(I think firing Shanny before 5 years would be stupid, too.)

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;957992]So now a 3-3 team is better than when Shanahan was coaching in Denver?....lol That's simply hating just for the sake of hating. Yeah, we should have brought in Jeff Fischer, who's currently got the same record as Mike. (3-5)




It was a fluke. 3 passes. 2 of those passes were over 50 yard YAC. Look at the game and the stats and come back and tell me exactly how amazing Tebow was. Which is why he got curb stomped by New England.....AND he got traded that following off-season. You really aren't helping your case here.[/QUOTE]

Tim Tebow stunk was my point. The fact they were able to make the playoffs and than beat Pitt with Tebow was a credit to the rest of the team! It completely helps my argument.
Edit: Tim frikkin Tebow was not meant in a complimentary fashion. Lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;957987]You're evil, 53Fan. No wonder I like you so much.[/quote]

You obviously got my point KI. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;958003]I believe the team was awful today. I also think this is the first time all season tebteam has looked completely flat from start to finish. So I'm not going to slit my wrists over it. But what do I know. I'm just a kool-aid drinking apologist[/quote]Well, if we completely ignore weeks 2-4, then I agree with you about the team looking good all season until now.

The problem is the bigger picture. We're probably going to look awful three more times the rest of the year. We're probably going to be competitive in five or six more games. We'll probably even win three of them. But some people are going to see progress out of that where there is no progress.

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Okay, I'll say it without pulling punches. You'd have to be some kind of moron to give Shanahan five full years.

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Then I'm a moron because I give him give full years.

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Okay then.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958008]Well, if we completely ignore weeks 2-4, then I agree with you about the team looking good all season until now.

The problem is the bigger picture. We're probably going to look awful three more times the rest of the year. We're probably going to be competitive in five or six more games. We'll probably even win three of them. But some people are going to see progress out of that where there is no progress.[/quote]

Thanks for not actually reading what I wrote. Completely flat from start to finish.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958012]Thanks for not actually reading what I wrote. Completely flat from start to finish.[/quote]I apologize. Yes, I was surprised they didn't even muster a good quarter today. Disappointing.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958010]Then I'm a moron because I give him give full years.[/QUOTE]

Two years is a long time. At this point next year were 3-5 are you sticking to that?


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[quote=DynamiteRave;957933]This is the other part of my problem. He's only been here 3 years and with a franchise that is/was in rebuilding mode. The last coach that coached here for over 3 years was NORV TURNER and they fired him in 2000. All other coaches have been here for 3 years or less.

To me that's a glaring consistency problem.

Except Zorn. He needed to go.[/quote]

Gibbs was here 4 years.

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If he doesn't mKe some Assistant coaching changes pronto, then yes.

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[quote=punch it in;958015]Two years is a long time. At this point next year were 3-5 are you sticking to that?[/quote]Well, if anyone has remained hardheaded that long, they're probably just going to stick it out.

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[quote=GTripp0012;957988]I think this is an optimistic way to view it. The team is significantly younger and has some talent. But we need to get an architect in here at some point.

Could an architect and Shanahan co-exist? Stranger things have happened.[/quote]

It would be VERY strange GTripp. Mike is pretty much known as a control freak. My biggest problem with him is that his defenses pretty much suck and if he would leave that side of the team alone (including hiring the DC) he would be more successful. I do think he has a lot to offer on the offense. But....would he ever be willing to do that?

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Shanahan told Hankerson to drop all those passes today FYI!

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Shanahan deserves time now that he has RG3, you can't just give up on him after he gets a rookie QB; plus it hurts our rookies progression. Shanahan is smart by buying himself some time by drafting RG3. If shanahan doesn't help this team in terms of wins next year, he'll definitely be a fired candidate. But I believe, and I hope Snyder has learned (plus Snyder went to great lengths to get Mike to coach this team) that you need to give a coach time to get his team together. Now that Mike has his QB, his time is starting now.

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;958023]Shanahan told Hankerson to drop all those passes today FYI![/QUOTE]

No but he drafted him.


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The Joe Gibbs comparisons are not fair, in my opinion. Joe Gibbs is a redskins legendary coach and of course they were going to let Joe Gibbs finish out his contract. I mean seriously who dare FIRE JOE GIBBS FROM THE REDSKINS. Not even Dan Snyder is that stupid.

Joe Gibbs had flat out bad teams 2 out of the 4 seasons he was here. He didn't finish with the greatest overall record, so some other teams, that would warrant them releasing him.

I think a better question to ask, instead of "Should we fire mike Shanahan", would be "how bad does this year have to go for Mike Shanahan to get fired?" I will go out on a limb and say I believe that only 3 or 4 wins this year, he has a good chance to get fired. That's 3 seasons full of nothing but regression. Sure we have a franchise QB, and that should buy him time, but Griffin can't be expected to be the whole team, which he is at this point. I think unless the redskins finish strong and go out 7-9 or 8-8, Shanahan's job could be in jeapordy.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;958024]Shanahan deserves time now that he has RG3, you can't just give up on him after he gets a rookie QB; plus it hurts our rookies progression. Shanahan is smart by buying himself some time by drafting RG3. If shanahan doesn't help this team in terms of wins next year, he'll definitely be a fired candidate. But I believe, and I hope Snyder has learned (plus Snyder went to great lengths to get Mike to coach this team) that you need to give a coach time to get his team together. Now that Mike has his QB, his time is starting now.[/QUOTE]

This is pretty much the bottom line no matter what we think of Shanny. Well said.


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at this point haslett has to go. if you want to get rid of shannahan, you need to make sure there's someone out there worth getting.

the biggest problem is there's no pass rush, which was supposed to be there. that'd cover some of our secondary issues where the talent simply does not exist. that's partially injuries (on the front 7) and partially a failure of the personal/management dept. to make sure we'd be okay back there. a lot of very no name guys were brought it, and the results have been pretty self evident.

no #1 picks and an 18$mill hole from the cba penalty, it'll take some luck to land the FAs/immediate draft starters for S/CB/RT (if meriweather/jackson come back, those two can cover the other spot). hall has to go. i'm tired of the tantrums and horrible plays. combined with his contract numbers, it's a bad fit.

still, with that said and covered, where's our pass rushing depth? we're obviously not very good (deep) there, and fletcher is starting to finally show some age too.

/rant

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[quote=mooby;958016]Gibbs was here 4 years.[/quote]

Gibbs doesn't count, cuz he's Gibbs. No one would dream of firing him. :P Although I remember people calling for his head too.

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Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.

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[quote=mooby;958033]Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? [B]It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here.[/B] I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.[/quote]

Association brings assimilation. If he keeps hammering home the "it's the coaches fault" idea, people will start believing it.

I think sometimes it is the coaches fault (Zero blitz, leaving D. Hall on an island will always linger in my memory) but I think today was on the shoulders of the players, sloppy play, sloppy execution, non-existent defense but coupled with weird desperation plays (RG3 as a WR. Paulsen on a TE screen).

This whole thing was a collective loss. F's all around.

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[quote=punch it in;958026]No but he drafted him.


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Lol, do you wanna go there with who else he has drafted?

[QUOTE=mooby;958033]Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.[/QUOTE]

I happen to agree with the mid season crap but nobody wants to admit that the receivers that cant catch and the D that absolutely stinks is on Shanny. - he drafted and architected this team? I mean I really started to buy into the - we need a couple good secondary players and we are gonna be world beaters but the bottom line is we need
WR's - moss is gone , morgan is ehh , Robinson and Hank are totally up in the air and Garcon is hurt and who knows with that injury?
RT and O- line depth -
Defensive depth across the board
Punter
That is alot of needs still before we can play with the big boys.
Im not sure with the cap hit and lack of first round picks that is going to be possible over a two year period?


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[quote=mooby;958033]Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.[/quote]You could look at it like we should have been 7-0 heading into a week where we didn't show up, but our 3-5 record this year is completely in line with past years. It is what it is at this point.

The only reason for the thread today instead of last week is we're at the middle of the season now. The question would have been valid at any point. Which is why I said in the OP that I expect things to swing significantly in Shannys favor the further we get from today's game. I think that's natural.

My two cents....

Do not fire Mike Shanahan! If you do, you will turn RGIII into another Jason Campbell....too many changes of coaches. Plus....I still think Shanahan is a good coach.

I do agree that Hasslett does have to go though.

KCT - "No Matter Where You Go, There You Are!"

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958032]Gibbs doesn't count, cuz he's Gibbs. No one would dream of firing him. :P Although I remember people calling for his head too.[/quote]

No my point was you said no coach since Norval has lasted more than 3 years, which Gibbs did. It wasn't so much about whether he deserved to be fired. I remember fans calling for Gibbs' head too, saying he was out-of-touch, etc. I definitely didn't want Gibbs to leave either.

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;958037]Lol, do you wanna go there with who else he has drafted?[/QUOTE]

RG-3 - gee that was a tough call - nobody thought he was gonna be any good - really went out on a limb there

A- mo - great great pick.

TW - check

Kerrigan- check

Starting to run thin now. Probably firgetting a couple good ones but the bad picks outweigh them - so yeah im goin there.


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