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I think scheme has more to do with what happened to Morris.

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No RG3 is what's happened to Morris.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090469]Because he's really the only difference across the offensive line from 2012, so no I don't think the offensive line is to blame for Morrises problems this year. That's just a convenient excuse, in my opinion[/quote]

While it's mainly the same line from 2012 in terms of names, this is not the line we saw in 2012. Morris needs to step up and secure the ball more, that's clear. However the level of play from our team as a whole has declined.

I also never stated the line was "great."

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[quote=donofriose;1090470]I think scheme has more to do with what happened to Morris.[/quote]

Jay pretty much said it in his presser.



[quote][B]On if running back Alfred Morris is performing differently than in past years:[/B]

“You know what, I don’t think so. He’s had some bad looks at plays where not many backs would make positive yards, but he’s had some good looks where he’s missed some cuts and he’s had some good runs. We’ve just got to keep giving it to him and keep giving him the looks. But as far as him digressing from last year, I don’t think he is. I still think he’s the same guy. I think he’s a good, productive running back in the NFL. We’ve just got to get him better looks, and when he has a good look, he’s got to make the right reads. So, it’s a little bit of a combination of everything. We still like Alfred. We still feel like he’s going to carry us to where we need to go.”[/quote]


He's missing the cuts that he used to hit years prior.




[quote=Mattyk;1090471]No RG3 is what's happened to Morris.[/quote]

...and THIS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090399]I can tell you he's lying. Colt was told Saturday to be ready because he was coming in if Kirk struggled again and the game was close[/quote]

Rich Gannon was at practice and he said Kirk looked bad, he's lost his confidence. Colt looked good during the same practice.

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[quote=Mattyk;1090471]No RG3 is what's happened to Morris.[/quote]

Yeah loading the box against a slower, grinding back def will hurt his production. Of course the Oline isnt doing anybody any favors...

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How about some improvement by the HC in the red Zone? Some creative play-calling could help. When the Red Zone plays aren't working, shouldn't the HC call some other plays that might work?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1090511]How about some improvement by the HC in the red Zone? Some creative play-calling could help. When the Red Zone plays aren't working, shouldn't the HC call some other plays that might work?[/quote]

Weren't the Bengals one of the best, if not the best, red zone team in the NFL the last two years?

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Whether it the redzone, 3rd down, base set, etc with the offense, Gruden a) doesnt have his guys to fit his scheme and b) are missing valuable pieces (QB) to run his offense.

A lot of what we are seeing in the offense in the first year is a vetting process for Gruden this year to really find out what pieces we have here and what pieces need to be replaced.

Hopeful he realizes the entire right side of the Oline and we need another TE are the obvious.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090514]Weren't the Bengals one of the best, if not the best, red zone team in the NFL the last two years?[/quote]

So what's the answer, then? We can't wait until we get same type of personnel the Bengals have before we score more Red Zone touchdowns. Is Gruden supposed to have the luxury of trying to do the same things he did in Cincy with different players while waiting for Bruce to get him "his" players, or is he supposed to adjust and make something happen here and now in the Red Zone with the players he has currently?

I'm not a fan of the way he makes negative comments about good players without finding creative ways to help them make something happen in the Red Zone. He should look in the mirror. That's where he'll find some of the team's Red Zone problems.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090399]I can tell you he's lying. Colt was told Saturday to be ready because he was coming in if Kirk struggled again and the game was close[/quote]
WHAT????
A coach NOT sharing all the truth with the fanbase?

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Inconsistent QB play is always going to get you less than desirable results in the RZ.

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[quote=Chico23231;1090515]Whether it the redzone, 3rd down, base set, etc with the offense, Gruden a) doesnt have his guys to fit his scheme and b) are missing valuable pieces (QB) to run his offense.

A lot of what we are seeing in the offense in the first year is a vetting process for Gruden this year to really find out what pieces we have here and what pieces need to be replaced.

Hopeful he realizes the entire right side of the Oline and we need another TE are the obvious.[/quote]

To Hell with Gruden's schemes! I want to win now, this week, against Dallas. If it takes flea-flickers, Statue of Liberty plays, whatever, do it. I do not want to see another disaster on National TV - especially against Dallas.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1090517]So what's the answer, then? We can't wait until we get same type of personnel the Bengals have before we score more Red Zone touchdowns. Is Gruden supposed to have the luxury of trying to do the same things he did in Cincy with different players while waiting for Bruce to get him "his" players, or is he supposed to adjust and make something happen here and now in the Red Zone with the players he has currently?

[B]I'm not a fan of the way he makes negative comments about good players without finding creative ways to help them make something happen in the Red Zone. He should look in the mirror. That's where he'll find some of the team's Red Zone problems.[/B][/quote]

What negative comments about what good players?

As for "finding creative ways," Gruden has (I think more than necessary) said he needs to be better about scheming. Rare is the instance (I can think of none off hand) where he critiques a player w/out saying, essentially, "the buck stops here."

The team is 2-5 and its two wins are against Jax and Tenn., nobody on this team is above criticism right now. Players who drop balls, miss blocks, or commit turnovers in the redzone [I]ought[/I] to be called out generically in the media session and very, very specifically and pointedly in team meetings.

A little accountability never hurt anybody except f-ups.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1090520]To Hell with Gruden's schemes! I want to win now, this week, against Dallas. If it takes flea-flickers, Statue of Liberty plays, whatever, do it. I do not want to see another disaster on National TV - especially against Dallas.[/quote]

lol...ok ok, yes I want to win now too. Im just trying to give you an explination of why the offense is struggling in general. Its tough for any 1st year head coach to win right away.

I commented earlier in the week that the red zone offense sucked this weekend, Id like to see Reed used more and Roberts/Djax in motion pre snap more to get their speed going in the small space of the red zone.

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[quote=Mattyk;1090519]Inconsistent QB play is always going to get you less than desirable results in the RZ.[/quote]

Brought to you by Capt. Should-Be-Obvious and his sidekick, But-It's-Not Boy.

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[quote=Chico23231;1090515]Whether it the redzone, 3rd down, base set, etc with the offense, Gruden a) doesnt have his guys to fit his scheme and b) [B]are missing valuable pieces (QB) to run his offense.[/B]

A lot of what we are seeing in the offense in the first year is a vetting process for Gruden this year to really find out what pieces we have here and what pieces need to be replaced.

Hopeful he realizes the entire right side of the Oline and we need another TE are the obvious.[/quote]

Colt McCoy has proven to be our QB of the future. He's almost as good as Pat White. Problem solved.

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If RG12 comes back....all is well
If RG13 comes back....well..
...and stay healthy

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[quote=Lotus;1090524]Colt McCoy has proven to be our QB of the future. He's almost as good as [B]Pat White[/B]. Problem solved.[/quote]

lol @ Pat White - another of this board's cause célèbre who is currently unemployed.

If only he, the other Colt, Marko Mitchell, Rob Jackson and Lache Seastrunk were still here. 7-0 baby.

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[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jw4n9/the_best_and_worst_players_by_position_through/]The Best and Worst Players by Position (Through Week 7, According to PFF) : nfl[/url]


Ryan Clark making the list and not in a good way.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1090527][url=http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jw4n9/the_best_and_worst_players_by_position_through/]The Best and Worst Players by Position (Through Week 7, According to PFF) : nfl[/url]


Ryan Clark making the list and not in a good way.[/quote]

Clark is done, Pittsburg wouldnt have let him go. His role is more a leadership void for the young guys.

We need to get serious about both safety positions, Id still look in the draft mid round and Id grab a legit starter in FA at preferable Free safety.

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Wait, there is a RT worse than Polumbus?!? Wow.

Sorry, I used to stick up for the guy as being a middle of the pack RT. I can't even justify a "below average RT" rating anymore. He is a freaking turnstile this season - and barely that good.

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Polumbus is not bad as a run blocker. It's only as a pass blocker that he is an utter disaster.

To me, Compton is the real problem. We brought Polumbus in as a stopgap until Compton got ready. Compton should have sent Polumbus to the bench long ago.

Polumbus' failures are Compton's failures.

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[quote=Lotus;1090531]Polumbus is not bad as a run blocker. It's only as a pass blocker that he is an utter disaster.

To me, Compton is the real problem. We brought Polumbus in as a stopgap until Compton got ready. Compton should have sent Polumbus to the bench long ago.

Polumbus' failures are Compton's failures.[/quote]

Our Oline drafting are the FO continued failures

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[quote=Chico23231;1090532]Our Oline drafting are the FO continued failures[/quote]

True dat.

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the positives in this game were easy to spot and plentiful.

we almost dominated in every facet of the game.

The D, while not creating turn-overs, was on lock down mode. I have never seen so many 3 and outs from a skins opponent. I am excited to see what the Haz Mat has in store for romo and the boys. (Hazlett has been here long enough to earn a nickname.)

encouraging signs on offense as well. i thought kirk had a decent first half, putting balls into tight spots no other NFL qb would dare try. kirk's response to pressure is still an issue but if we sign and develop an all-pro offensive line, kirk will have time to dissect coverages. we are literally 1 RT and 1 guard away from something special on offense.

if the running game can catch up to the red hot passing (6th in league i think), this team can not just compete with anyone, but dominate.

excited to see us build off this win as we head into dallas week. things are coming together and it only took 7 weeks.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1090526]lol @ Pat White - another of this board's cause célèbre who is currently unemployed.[/quote]

He is just waiting for us to call him back cause he knows it is meant to be.

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[quote=Lotus;1090531]Polumbus is not bad as a run blocker. It's only as a pass blocker that he is an utter disaster.

To me, Compton is the real problem. We brought Polumbus in as a stopgap until Compton got ready. Compton should have sent Polumbus to the bench long ago.

Polumbus' failures are Compton's failures.[/quote]

As to Polumbus, last year I would have agreed with you. This year, I have seen too many failures to seal the back end, too many failures to move his man of the spot when the play came his way, and too many holding calls/offsides on run-plays. The reason he was acceptable in the past was that he was competent on run plays. Perhaps that was due to scheme or better blocking from WR/TE/RB's, bottom line is that - [I]this year[/I] - he has not even been competent in the run game.

As to Compton being the problem, maybe. This is his 4th year. He was a 6th round pick and was going to be a project no matter what. At this point, put him in - sink or swim.

As to the draft, again not disagreeing:
2014: 2 drafted, 3rd Round. Both regular inactives.
2013: None drafted.
2012: 3 drafted, LeRib (3rd) active but non-starting -unable to displace either Chester or Luavo; Gettis (5th) Steelers Practice Squad; Compton (6th) regular back-up, possible starter later this year.
2011: 1 drafted; Maurice Hurt (7th) Out Of Football
2010: 3 drafted; T.Williams(1st) pro-bowler; Eric Cook (5th) OOF; Selvish Capers (7th) OOF.


Total Picks 2010 - 2014: 42 (3:1st, 3:2nd, 5:3rd, 6:4th, 6:5th, 7:6th, 12:7th)
Total O-Line Picks 2010-2014: 9 (1:1st, 3:3rd, 2:5th, 2:6th, 1:7th)

One starter; two back-ups (LeRib, Compton); two rookies.

Not a lot of development despite 20% of the draft picks since 2010 being spent on O-line. If Moses and Long develop, that would go a long way to mediating that failure.

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Great post Joe. Who can forget the great Selvish Capers?

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[quote=Lotus;1090545]Great post Joe. Who can forget the great Selvish Capers?[/quote]

Heck I forgot that Jim Mora Jr was the Seahawks coach after Mike Holmgren left.

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[quote=Lotus;1090545]Great post Joe. Who can forget the great Selvish Capers?[/quote]

I had really high hopes for the guy as a converted TE. He had a mid-round grade and looked like he might be a steal. Thought he might make an athletic RT. Oh well.

He stuck around the league for 5 years (mostly with the NY Giants).

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[quote=over the mountain;1090535]the positives in this game were easy to spot and plentiful.

we almost dominated in every facet of the game.

The D, while not creating turn-overs, was on lock down mode. I have never seen so many 3 and outs from a skins opponent. I am excited to see what the Haz Mat has in store for romo and the boys. (Hazlett has been here long enough to earn a nickname.)

encouraging signs on offense as well. [B][I]i thought kirk had a decent first half, putting balls into tight spots no other NFL qb would dare try. kirk's response to pressure is still an issue but if we sign and develop an all-pro offensive line, kirk will have time to dissect coverages.[/I][/B] we are literally 1 RT and 1 guard away from something special on offense.

if the running game can catch up to the red hot passing (6th in league i think), this team can not just compete with anyone, but dominate.

excited to see us build off this win as we head into dallas week. things are coming together and it only took 7 weeks.[/quote]
Wait, is this serious or sarcasm? Because other than the drive killing interceptions and inability to win a game, Kirk is a first team all pro. (see, that was clearly sarcasm)

Aside from that, I don't think we watched the same game. There was nothing 'dominating' about that performance. We played at the same level as the two win team that came in. Unsure how having to kick a game winning FG with time expiring against said 2 win team would be very encouraging that we're about to set the league ablaze. I love positivity and optimism, but.......

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[quote=Lotus;1090531]Polumbus is not bad as a run blocker. It's only as a pass blocker that he is an utter disaster.

To me, Compton is the real problem. We brought Polumbus in as a stopgap until Compton got ready. Compton should have sent Polumbus to the bench long ago.

Polumbus' failures are Compton's failures.[/quote]

Compton was/is a 6th round pick. Those guys are drafted to be backups/special teamers. If you get meaningful reps from them as a starter then that's a bonus, not an expectation. Polumbus is a failure of Polumbus and the front office for not replacing him sooner.

If anything, Moses is failing us by not being ready nearly halfway into his rookie season as a 'high' draft pick.

I really wonder about Chris Forester as a line coach. He hasn't developed anyone, our line was an issue when he got here and still is to this day. After 5 years, I don't expect him to start being a better coach.

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Moses was never gonna be ready to contribute this year, any team drafting him had to view him as a developmental pick. He has great athletic ability, but his instincts aren't there. Always nervous when picking athletic talent over good football players. It does seem to be working out with Breeland though.

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[quote=Paintrain;1090551]Compton was/is a 6th round pick. Those guys are drafted to be backups/special teamers. If you get meaningful reps from them as a starter then that's a bonus, not an expectation. Polumbus is a failure of Polumbus and the front office for not replacing him sooner.

If anything, Moses is failing us by not being ready nearly halfway into his rookie season as a 'high' draft pick.

I really wonder about Chris Forester as a line coach. He hasn't developed anyone, our line was an issue when he got here and still is to this day. After 5 years, I don't expect him to start being a better coach.[/quote]

To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090561]To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). [B]So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys[/B][/quote]

It's Jim Haslett's fault. :blah:

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If you have a long history of busts at certain positions, like we do, coaching has to be an issue.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090561]To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys[/quote]

From 1982 to 1992, we drafted (in a 12 round draft) 17 linemen. Of those only 7 were picked before the 7th round. One 2nd rounder (Wally Klein, '87), two 3rd rounders (Mo Elewonibi, '90; Paul Sevier, 92). Four 6th rounders - of whom only Ed Simmons stuck around (and he did for 10 years).

In fact, in '91, the Skins did not draft an o-lineman out of nine picks.

It was a different era, but still, we have invested significantly more in drafting o-linemen over the last 5 years than we did during the ten year reign of the Hogs with much less to show for it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090561]To your point, I think fans forget guys like Jacoby (UDFA), Schlereth (12th round), McKenzie (11th round) were not high draft picks. With the exception of 1981, [B]the Redskins did not invest much in high draft picks for the OL during Gibbs 1.0. And when they did it was often disastrous (Andre Collins). [/B]So yeah maybe we need to look at who's coaching these guys[/quote]

Andre Collins was a disaster at the tackle position. Mainly b/c he was a LB (an a relatively solid one at that) drafted in the 2nd round in 1990.

Perhaps you meant Andre Johnson out of Penn State in '96, drafted by Casserly during Norv Turner's stellar regime? At least you got the "disaster" part right.

You would think someone from "the Media" would at least fact check.

... and now you know why no one trusts ESPN.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1090569]From 1982 to 1992, we drafted (in a 12 round draft) 17 linemen. Of those only 7 were picked before the 7th round. One 2nd rounder (Wally Klein, '87), two 3rd rounders (Mo Elewonibi, '90; Paul Sevier, 92). Four 6th rounders - of whom only Ed Simmons stuck around (and he did for 10 years).

In fact, in '91, the Skins did not draft an o-lineman out of nine picks.

It was a different era, but still, we have invested significantly more in drafting o-linemen over the last 5 years than we did during the ten year reign of the Hogs with much less to show for it.[/quote]

In the end it's just not letting these guys see the field. You'll never know what you have until you do. I feel like we've constantly had these 3-5th round picks on the bench until we sign some mediocre/big name FA, they flounder on the bench, get cut, start somewhere else. Now they're not Pro Bowlers, but I think we've had a few get cut that went on to start for some good teams.