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[QUOTE=jdlea]Your stat, INT percentage, which is apparently the one that makes Brunell great is rather revealing. Kerry Collins is tied with Peyton Manning and Matt Hasselbeck, are you saying that he's just as good as them?[/QUOTE]

Kerry Collins, HA HA. However Peyton calls his own plays, I would like to see how he does in a Joe Gibbs outdated offense.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]No, for them they keep stats like pancakes.

I don't only use stats to judge players, but come on, you can't tell me that stats aren't what get players signed. That's not to slight Portis's ability to pick up the blitz, but I saw an interview with Bugel right after they got him and he said they had no idea he could do it so well until he got there. OMG, they didn't bring Clinton in to block.[/QUOTE]

is that an official stat yet? and for how long? how bout passes defensed? all relatively new 'stats' that TRY to represent someone's worth. i agree stats get you noticed, but if Portis had T.O.s attitude or work 'ethic', he wouldn't have been brought here. i suppose everyone would be happy if he made 1300+ yds a season AND the NFL made 'pancakes' a stat for running backs too. maybe then he could make the Hall of Fame.

Guess Art Monk wasn't really a great receiver.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]Guess Art Monk wasn't really a great receiver.[/QUOTE]

I'm gonna be totally honest. To steal a line from the Colbert Report: You just nailed me. I have no comeback from that one dude. Bravo.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]So how do you determine how good a player is?[/QUOTE]

simply, what they bring to the team. think any good coach would agree.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]not sure if you guys have noticed, but Gibbs, Williams and the whole Redskin framework is based on what they see players give to the team. they just don't do stat 'stars'. see what happened to Lavar. conversely, see Brunell's stats last year. you 'stats' guys are too busy playing fantasy football and not watching whats really going on in the games.[/QUOTE]



gibbs picked up moss and patten mainly because of their stats as it pertains to YARDS PER CATCH. gibbs wanted to stretch the field.gibbs quoted their stats over and over whenever he spoke about either one of them.the first thing gibbs does when he starts his "after game press conference" is give stats about the game. i'm not saying stats tell the entire story of a players ability to play the game of football but surely stats CANNOT be ignored.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I'm gonna be totally honest. To steal a line from the Colbert Report: You just nailed me. I have no comeback from that one dude. Bravo.[/QUOTE]

ha (love that show), no props to you, for acknowledging the importance and greatness of Art Monk.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]is that an official stat yet? and for how long? how bout passes defensed? all relatively new 'stats' that TRY to represent someone's worth. i agree stats get you noticed, but if Portis had T.O.s attitude or work 'ethic', he wouldn't have been brought here. i suppose everyone would be happy if he made 1300+ yds a season AND the NFL made 'pancakes' a stat for running backs too. maybe then he could make the Hall of Fame.

Guess Art Monk wasn't really a great receiver.[/QUOTE]

I've said a few times in this thread that there are other things that make a player great and other things that I respect. However, truly great players have great stats. Monk has great stats, just the HOF voters are dicks.

I love players like Lorenzo Neal because he's one of the ultimate "team" guys. However, you can't honestly tell me that you don't use stats to judge greatness.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]gibbs picked up moss and patten mainly because of their stats as it pertains to YARDS PER CATCH. gibbs wanted to stretch the field.gibbs quoted their stats over and over whenever he spoke about either one of them.the first thing gibbs does when he starts his "after game press conference" is give stats about the game. i'm not saying stats tell the entire story of a players ability to play the game of football but surely stats CANNOT be ignored.[/QUOTE]

Stats + intangibles. Moss and Patten are Gibbs guys through and through but he doesn't expect everyone to care about that so he'll focus on the stats to the press. else again, we'd have T.O. infecting our team.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]simply, what they bring to the team. think any good coach would agree.[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected, apparently you don't.

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The ratio of TDs to INTs is a big stat and brunell is best in the entire league in it. We SHOULD be a run first team

Brunell's yards in wins-excluding the bears game b/c he came in late- 229.8

Also if we take out the outlier of the giants with only 60 some yards brunell has averaged 245.6 in losses
The thing is 15 yards isn't gonna make any difference,


we rushed for 158 per game in wins and in losses just 122 (excluding that darn NY game)

We should run good to win and all we need is a QB that doesn't turn the ball over

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[QUOTE=illdefined]Stats + intangibles. Moss and Patten are Gibbs guys through and through but he doesn't expect everyone to care about that so he'll focus on the stats to the press. else again, we'd have T.O. infecting our team.[/QUOTE]

Like I was saying though, you can't say that TO isn't a great reciever. He's not a good teammate, but he's a very good reciever.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I've said a few times in this thread that there are other things that make a player great and other things that I respect. However, truly great players have great stats. Monk has great stats, just the HOF voters are dicks.

I love players like Lorenzo Neal because he's one of the ultimate "team" guys. However, you can't honestly tell me that you don't use stats to judge greatness.[/QUOTE]

greatness is very relative. stats are just a part of that.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]Like I was saying though, you can't say that TO isn't a great reciever. He's not a good teammate, but he's a very good reciever.[/QUOTE]

excellent receiver. terrible PLAYER.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]greatness is very relative. stats are just a part of that.[/QUOTE]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I do agree with that statement to an extent, but history doesn't show that. To cross sports, Bobby Jones is recognized as one of the greatest golfers, but he was a racist. Same with Ty Cobb. It's difficult to say that greatness is relative because history doesn't always support your arguement.

What Terrell Owens does on the football field is great. He's one of very few recievers EVER with 100 TD catches. He's a very good reciever.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]excellent receiver. terrible PLAYER.[/QUOTE]

I would agree with that.

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If you had told me this morning that this thread had enough legs to last 10 pages, I would have said you were crazy. I stand corrected.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]Stats + intangibles. Moss and Patten are Gibbs guys through and through but he doesn't expect everyone to care about that so he'll focus on the stats to the press. else again, we'd have T.O. infecting our team.[/QUOTE]


the first thing that caught gibbs attention was the YPC stat from both moss and patten that is the reason gibbs pursued them in the first place, now of course gibbs would not have gone after a player like owens because it is so well documented that owens is an asshole. if you think gibbs doesn't factor in a players stats when deciding whether or not to go after them then you are naive(sp).

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]If you had told me this morning that this thread had enough legs to last 10 pages, I would have said you were crazy. I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]


it's because we've switched from discussing portis to discussing stats.

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:hitfan:

I love that smiley... he sticks his tounge out after there's poop on his face lol.

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you just rephrased what I said right there - stats & intangibles. T0 being an asshole is intangible. Moss, Patten and Portis's work ethic are too. and that speaks more to Gibbs than whatever edge others may have in stats.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]:hitfan:

I love that smiley... he sticks his tounge out after there's poop on his face lol.[/QUOTE]


he actually wipes the poop on to his tongue.:hitfan: :vomit:

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[QUOTE=illdefined]you just rephrased what I said right there - stats & intangibles. T0 being an asshole is intangible. Moss, Patten and Portis's work ethic are too. and that speaks more to Gibbs than whatever edge others may have in stats.[/QUOTE]


i think you and i are basically saying the same thing except i believe coaches look at a players stats moreso than you . a players stats show his production on the field and coaches want players that produce but most coaches, especially gibbs, will not sign a player solely on that players stats. good stats and a good team player attitude must go hand in hand for coach gibbs.

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If the redskins were 9-3 and leading the division (3 close losses) would we be having this discussion?I highly doubt it!!!! He is not overrated.I believe he is a complete back run,catch,and block.Do whatever the team asks.Most other top backs are lacking in one of those categories.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i think you and i are basically saying the same thing except i believe coaches look at a players stats moreso than you . a players stats show his production on the field and coaches want players that produce but most coaches, especially gibbs, will not sign a player solely on that players stats. good stats and a good team player attitude must go hand in hand for coach gibbs.[/QUOTE]
no you're right, just explaining why judging Portis solely by the numbers in his (already very productive) stats and salary alone is vastly UNDERrating him

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[QUOTE=steveo395]tatum bell was a second round pick too and he doesn't even compare to portis

not only is portis easily the better runner, he's a good receiver and one of the best blockers in the league[/QUOTE] My guess from your stupid ass coments is that Tatum Bell is not a system back. Also Champ seem to be a system CB as he is regulary burnt on the bomb.

Your views are way off. What you are saying to all of us is that we never complain about our team. My suggestion to you before you spew off false facts is go check the 10,000 + post on this site and come back and chat.

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[QUOTE=CRT3]My guess from your stupid ass coments is that Tatum Bell is not a system back. Also Champ seem to be a system CB as he is regulary burnt on the bomb.

Your views are way off. What you are saying to all of us is that we never complain about our team. My suggestion to you before you spew off false facts is go check the 10,000 + post on this site and come back and chat.[/QUOTE]
so r u talkin to me there or what...cuz u quoted me, but you're talking about crap that i didnt even say

tatum bell would be bad on any other team...any idiot could figure that out and he is definitely not a complete back

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i'd have to agree that if tatum bell was really that great he'd be getting more than 15 carries a game and wouldn't be the backup to a slow FB. Of course he's an order of magnitude cheaper than portis...

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[QUOTE=steveo395]so r u talkin to me there or what...cuz u quoted me, but you're talking about crap that i didnt even say

tatum bell would be bad on any other team...any idiot could figure that out and he is definitely not a complete back[/QUOTE] Sorry Stevo, hit the wrong quote. This was meant for the idiot that started this thread. My appolgies.

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if you wouldve told any redskin fan that portis would run for 1400+ yards with 10 touchdowns this season,everyone would be talking about the great season he had,he blocks everyone in sight,and has very good hands out of the backfield(i for one would like to see a rb screen once in a while)so what exactly is this thread about.anthony chance is obviously not a skins fan because regardless of what you think of#26,he is our running back,its not like fantasy football,we are stuck(blessed)with him

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Portis is sadly underappreciated by a handful of fans. The guy is on pace to break the Skins single season rushing mark. He's a tough player who does everything you could want, block, catch, etc. I'm not sure what else people want out of him. He's already giving us 110% game in, game out.

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That last run by Portis to seal the game should give him some respect.

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he already has all my respect. He is my favorite player on this team and he is closing in on 1200 yards. I don't know why anyone would be upset with his performances