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[quote=Mattyk;962700]Do you guys ever just watch a football game and enjoy it for what it is without comparing everything back to the Skins?? Just curious.[/quote]

I mean, for the last year Luck vs RG3 was the talk of football, and it only increased after the draft. So thinking along the lines of comparison here is pretty obvious, right?

And how can we forget all the analysts who said RG3 would have a better rookie year because he was surrounded by superior talent and coaching than Luck :doh:

I can't wait for the day we can move beyond the Shanny debacle...it's getting soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962760]Sucks to be you I guess[/quote]

Brilliant. Soda came out my nose on that one.

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[quote=The Goat;962819]I mean, for the last year Luck vs RG3 was the talk of football, and it only increased after the draft. So thinking along the lines of comparison here is pretty obvious, right?

And how can we forget all the analysts who said RG3 would have a better rookie year because he was surrounded by superior talent and coaching than Luck :doh:

I can't wait for the day we can move beyond the Shanny debacle...it's getting soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.[/quote]

Again, I understand that Luck and RG3 are going to be tied together for their careers.

It's the team comparisons that I think are a little pointless.

The Colts are obviously much better off talent wise than most of us gave them credit for. They also haven't been hit by the injury bug as hard as we have. Pagano's illness is undoubtedly giving them extra inspiration and motivation as well. That element can't be underestimated.

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So what teams are we ok to compare against?

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[quote=The Goat;962826]So what teams are we ok to compare against?[/quote]memphis showboats

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[quote=Mattyk;962730]Yeah I get that. People just taking it to the extreme though, as usual. We knew they were both going to be special. Is anyone surprised that Luck is playing well?[/quote]

Matty, I would feel like I was in the Twilight Zone if Redskins fans didn't take things to the extreme...LOL!

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[quote=The Goat;962826]So what teams are we ok to compare against?[/quote]

When I watched the game last night I wasn't wondering why the Skins aren't 6-3 too.

Don't let me ruin the fun, maybe I'm the crazy one.

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[quote=The Goat;962826]So what teams are we ok to compare against?[/quote]
Please feel free to offer up comparisons to any teams meeting the following criteria:

1) has 4 or more injuries to starting skill positions
2) had a major reduction in cap space 2 days prior to FA start
3) has both a rookie starting QB, and rookie starting RB
4) their last 4 opponents have an avg top 15 defense (our last 4 avg top 12th {1,9,26,15} Colts last 4 avg 26th {31,21,29,27})


fair enough?

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[quote=The Goat;962826]So what teams are we ok to compare against?[/quote]

Really the only teams I compare against are in our division because that's who we competing directly with for a playoff spot. Right now, Eagles orgainization is in a free fall, Cowboys are completely lost, and the Giants are clutch but not consistent. The Skins are on the way up now that we have a franchise QB.


Why would I give a flying f*ck about the colts?

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[quote=The Goat;962819]I mean, for the last year Luck vs RG3 was the talk of football, and it only increased after the draft. So thinking along the lines of comparison here is pretty obvious, right?

[B]And how can we forget all the analysts who said RG3 would have a better rookie year because he was surrounded by superior talent and coaching than Luck :doh:[/B]

I can't wait for the day we can move beyond the Shanny debacle...it's getting soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.[/quote]

Well, to be fair, they expected the Colts to be at 3 wins all season and us at around 6, so the Colts performance is more what is the outlier, not their predictions for us.

And of course aren't you one who said that you don't listen to what the media says? So why would you be using that now to justify your argument?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;962846]Well, to be fair, they expected the Colts to be at 3 wins all season and us at around 6, so the Colts performance is more what is the outlier, not their predictions for us.

[B]And of course aren't you one who said that you don't listen to what the media says? So why would you be using that now to justify your argument[/B]?[/quote]

That's correct, but I was thoroughly educated by folks here the analysts are pros at what they do and should be taken very, very seriously. LOL, it's all a joke is my point.

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/11/need-to-know-why-luck-has-been-hot-rg3-not.html]Need to Know: Why Luck has been hot, RG3 not - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

HTTR

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[quote=The Goat;962847]That's correct, but I was thoroughly educated by folks here the analysts are pros at what they do and should be taken very, very seriously. LOL, it's all a joke is my point.[/quote]

You seem to be very selective as to when you choose to rely on analysts opinions.

Of course they're not right all the time. They're not wrong all the time either.

Games aren't played on paper as we know. They're played by little men inside our TV sets.

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[quote=Mattyk;962851]You seem to be very selective as to when you choose to rely on analysts opinions.

Of course they're not right all the time. They're not wrong all the time either.
[B]
Games aren't played on paper as we know. They're played by little men inside our TV sets.[/B][/quote]

:rofl: anyone who says they didn't have an image of Willy Wonka is LYING!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;962852]:rofl: anyone who says they didn't have an image of Willy Wonka is LYING![/quote]

I was actually thinking of those little green army men that my grandmother used to let me play with when I was a kid.

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[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahans-job-isnt-in-jeopardy--yet/2012/11/09/0255e018-2a83-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html]Washington Post[/url]

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if he loses out I think he is as good as gone

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[quote=Mattyk;962851][B]You seem to be very selective as to when you choose to rely on analysts opinions.[/B]

Of course they're not right all the time. They're not wrong all the time either.

Games aren't played on paper as we know. They're played by little men inside our TV sets.[/quote]

Are you serious? I was poking fun at the opposite i.e. analysts were praised by the homers for saying the Shannahans were mentoring RG3 well, but the analysts near-universal conclusion RG3 should have the better year because of his surroundings is now pretty well kept mum.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;962878]if he loses out I think he is as good as gone[/quote]

Shouldn't take a 3-13 season (3rd year in) to tell the gdamn ownership this is a loser regime. Anything less than 6-10 should be automatic.

Has there ever been a HC win less than 18 games over three years and keep his job in pro football? Seems impossible but who knows.

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[I]“You will have to ask Dan Snyder that,” the coach bristled Monday. He leaned intensely over his lectern at his weekly news conference, his tanned complexion the usual beet-red, as if every corpuscle was racing to the skin’s surface. He scanned the room for perceived enemies.

On television, the 20-minute exchange between Shanahan and reporters who cover the team came across less as a postmortem after Washington’s third straight loss and more of a referendum on the My-Way-Mike era.

“If he feels like this team is going in the right direction, then you ask him not me,” Shanahan said. “I know I am going in the right direction.”[/I]

My word Shanny is a douchebag. I think at some point soon Dan's common sense will kick in and he'll kick Mike down the road. I can't imagine a more pathetic response from any coach, let alone in the NFL.

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I'd like a new coaching staff because I want a new regime for us to bitch about from day one

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[quote=SmootSmack;962886]I'd like a new coaching staff because I want a new regime for us to bitch about from day one[/quote]

it truly will never end

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[quote=The Goat;962880]Are you serious? I was poking fun at the opposite i.e. analysts were praised by the homers for saying the Shannahans were mentoring RG3 well, but the analysts near-universal conclusion RG3 should have the better year because of his surroundings is now pretty well kept mum.[/quote]

I was just talking in general, not that specific case per say.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;962840]Please feel free to offer up comparisons to any teams meeting the following criteria:

1) has 4 or more injuries to starting skill positions
2) had a major reduction in cap space 2 days prior to FA start
3) has both a rookie starting QB, and rookie starting RB
4) their last 4 opponents have an avg top 15 defense (our last 4 avg top 12th {1,9,26,15} Colts last 4 avg 26th {31,21,29,27})


fair enough?[/QUOTE]

Even with the cap hit there were teams with less room than us.
RG-3 and Almo are better rite now than alot of veterans at their respective positions.
The Panthers were 1-6. I dont care what they are ranked or for that matter anyone. Our strength of schedule is faaaar from the toughest in the league.
Injuries are league wide. They are every year. Just that we have zero depth to mask them.

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You can have excellent depth everywhere. Certain injuries hurt more than others.

As far as strength of schedule for 2012...

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/7/13/3157940/redskins-strength-of-schedule-is-one-of-the-worst-based-on-every]Redskins Strength of Schedule is One of the Toughest Based on Many Different Statistical Looks - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;962895]I was just talking in general, not that specific case per say.[/quote]

Word. No I don't really pay attention to analysts one way or another.

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Speaking of schedule strength/ease I heard somewhere the Broncos had the toughest schedule up to their bye, and then possibly the easiest schedule for the remainder of the season. Pretty easy to see them make a SB run between now and 2014.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962886]I'd like a new coaching staff because I want a new regime for us to bitch about from day one[/quote]
Hey.....sounds good!
If you don't mind, I'll PM you for some Secret Behind the scenes Redskin Park straight about the new staff. That way I can start bitching today about the New crew to avoid the holiday rush.......

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[quote=Hog1;962911]Hey.....sounds good!
If you don't mind, I'll PM you for some Secret Behind the scenes Redskin Park straight about the new staff. That way I can start bitching today about the New crew to avoid the holiday rush.......[/quote]


:laughing2

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[quote=SmootSmack;962886]I'd like a new coaching staff because I want a new regime for us to bitch about from day one[/quote]


Too Funny. We do need a change. Shanny ain't getting it done. If we are 6-10 or worse he should be fired. I know it would make it hard on RG3 but I think we would draw more interest because of him. We should also go back to a 4-3 defense.. it is easier to get lb's and cb's than true 3-4 NT. Rak, Kerrigan on the ends. Bowen,Cofield, Jenkens, Nield, Goldson as DT. Db's need a major overhaul. Linebackers need upgrade.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;962897]You can have excellent depth everywhere. Certain injuries hurt more than others.

As far as strength of schedule for 2012...

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/7/13/3157940/redskins-strength-of-schedule-is-one-of-the-worst-based-on-every]Redskins Strength of Schedule is One of the Toughest Based on Many Different Statistical Looks - Hogs Haven[/url][/QUOTE]

Our division is ehhhh. Giants twice. Bucs and vikes were on downslide when we played em. Got the rams, browns, panthers. Saints were god awful. Falcons giants steelers and kind of the ravens are the only real good teams on the schedule.

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Shanny should NOT be fired. Lets throw out the 1st year. In my opinion that was a year to see if we could compete with the roster we had, and obviously that didn't happen. I believe it takes 3 years to turn a roster over from free agents to draft picks in order to show progress. Our roster was over aged, and over paid. Now we have young players at key positions that can help us for years to come. I dont think Haslett should be fired either. They are playing without 4/5 starters, two in the safety spot. THat is huge. I am surprised we didn't/haven't taken a look at Route to be honest.
But Shanny is moving this team in the right direction and needs to be given the time to make it work. Dallas and PHilly are going through major changes. Now is our time to stay the course and compete for the division title. Maybe not this year, but maybe next. Giants are getting older as well. IF we stay the course we can be steps ahead of those teams and have young players to stay on top for many years.

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[quote=Mattyk;962894]it truly will never end[/quote]

It might if we were in the ****in mix, and not an uber disappointment all the time. Even with the NFCE ripe for the taking, we still are spinning our tires in the cellar. That is what fans are frustrated about, so instead of taking aim at the fans that expect more from a "Hall of fame coach" who has done absolutely nothing without John Elway, why not join on in? Its fun. And its the right thing to do.

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[quote=Mattyk;962897]You can have excellent depth everywhere. Certain injuries hurt more than others.

As far as strength of schedule for 2012...

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/7/13/3157940/redskins-strength-of-schedule-is-one-of-the-worst-based-on-every]Redskins Strength of Schedule is One of the Toughest Based on Many Different Statistical Looks - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Mattyk, that was from before the season. Thats so selective pulling that out. Just look at what happened during the first 5 weeks of the season.

Noone knew who the good teams were. The wrong teams were winning based on projections, power rankings, SOS, all that BS released before the season. If there was any year that BS strength of schedule that came out prior to the season has absolutely no relevance, its this year. You should know that. Lets pull a strength of schedule that has been taken after the first half of the year based on real play, rather than projections in July when teams rosters aren't even fully set yet. I guarantee you we wouldnt have among the most difficult in the league. Nowhere close. We are absolutely underachieving, injuries penalties options and all. JEEEZZZ.

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[quote=Mechanix544;962956]It might if we were in the ****in mix, and not an uber disappointment all the time. Even with the NFCE ripe for the taking, we still are spinning our tires in the cellar. That is what fans are frustrated about, so instead of taking aim at the fans that expect more from a "Hall of fame coach" who has done absolutely nothing without John Elway, why not join on in? Its fun. And its the right thing to do.[/quote]

Ummm excuse me Mike went to the playoffs since then which is almost like winning another SB because he played in the toughest division ever which science proves and all the idiots who talk about his win/loss record over the last three years can't see the big picture which is to say the rest of the teams in our division will get worse someday and then we can compete. I mean, pay the f*ck attention :)

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[quote=Mechanix544;962957]Mattyk, that was from before the season. Thats so selective pulling that out. Just look at what happened during the first 5 weeks of the season.

Noone knew who the good teams were. The wrong teams were winning based on projections, power rankings, SOS, all that BS released before the season. If there was any year that BS strength of schedule that came out prior to the season has absolutely no relevance, its this year. You should know that. Lets pull a strength of schedule that has been taken after the first half of the year based on real play, rather than projections in July when teams rosters aren't even fully set yet. I guarantee you we wouldnt have among the most difficult in the league. Nowhere close. We are absolutely underachieving, injuries penalties options and all. JEEEZZZ.[/quote]

If you can find an updated SOS feel free to post it. Bottom line is coming into the season our schedule was pretty tough on paper. Feel free to prove otherwise.

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speaking of getting fired,Lakers fire their coach after 5 games? WTF? Thats fast

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I don't think we should have hired him so I suppose I should think we shoukd fire him, but then that would mean I agree with (insert name) and that just sucks

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[quote=SmootSmack;962974]I don't think we should have hired him so I suppose I should think we shoukd fire him, but then that would mean I agree with michael paré and that just sucks[/quote]what's the beef?

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Shanahan is lucky RGIII is here, even though he (RGIII) feels that they (Shanahan's) don't trust him. Players already said **** Shanahan, but keep playing cause RGIII won't quit. Without RGIII, this would be BAD right now.

Dan won't fire Shanny though.