Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=The Goat;963643]Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. [B]Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.[/B]

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.[/quote]

You...really are something else.

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[quote=The Goat;963643]Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.[/quote]


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i've never so scared in my entire tuesday

[QUOTE=The Goat;963643]Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.[/QUOTE]

The hatred for the shanny regime has definitely become more intense in my mind because of the "apologists". All of my posts about shanny started in a devils advocate way. The more i read opinions from both sides, the more i saw the "haters" side - which for me will always be first and foremost - wins and losses. All the other stuff - the presser the questionable personnel moves - haslett- discipline and the news from httr 24-7 have just cemented my initial skepticism into cold hard evidence for a change.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963644]You...really are something else.[/quote]

ty :)

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;963639]We don't know anything yet. His time here isn't done.

The tweets I post on occasions is from LL (LavarLeap56 from Extremeskins). His user ID on here is HTTR24-7

[B] LL
@HTTR24_7 [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah i know but remember he was talking about an incident at LL's house. Was that Laron Landry?
No we dont know anything yet - we might come out of the bye and be rite back in this. Or the writing is just plainly on the wall.

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[quote=punch it in;963649]Yeah i know but remember he was talking about an incident at LL's house. Was that Laron Landry?
No we dont know anything yet - we might come out of the bye and be rite back in this. Or the writing is just plainly on the wall.[/quote]

Yes, he was referring to Laron Landry in that particular instance. Not himself.

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Where is GMScud btw? Haven't seen him most of the season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963644]You...really are something else.[/quote]


Why feed the troll?

Plus, Goat there are plenty of other teams to go cheer for. Go pick one that makes you happy. Football is escape from reality; if the skins and this web site are causing huge amounts of frustration for you go somewhere else.

I heard Houston is having a good year.

[url=http://www.texanstalk.com/]Houston Texans Fan Site & Message Boards - TexansTalk.com[/url]

I am sure more then a few people here would pitch in to get you a hat or jersey. Would you prefer a Watt one or Schaub?

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;963650]Yes, he was referring to Laron Landry in that particular instance. Not himself.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for clearing that up.
I didnt last very long on ES. Lol.
This whole LL thing started by Joe Redskins question "who is he"? Have been so confusing to me. Especially woth laron landry and lance lewis floating around. Lol think i got it now.

[QUOTE=mredskins;963652]Why feed the troll?

Plus, Goat there are plenty of other teams to go cheer for. Go pick one that makes you happy. Football is escape from reality; if the skins and this web site are causing huge amounts of frustration for you go somewhere else.

I heard Houston is having a good year.

[url=http://www.texanstalk.com/]Houston Texans Fan Site & Message Boards - TexansTalk.com[/url]

I am sure more then a few people here would pitch in to get you a hat or jersey. Would you prefer a Watt one or Schaub?[/QUOTE]

You been to a home game recently. Not alot of cheering going on by anyone.

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Was just thinking, two of the last three Redskins head coaches came out of retirement to coach the Skins. The third guy is a journeyman QB coach on his third or fourth NFL team. (Chiefs)

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=The Goat;963643]Just don't try to make the "presentation" argument. I'm an unapologetic a$$hole and once it was obvious didn't hold back about calling this regime the joke it is, but there were plenty of folks around here offering perfectly polite analysis of how bad Mike and Co have been. Had nothing to do with lack of reasoned arguments, approach, etc. Had everything to do with the mods seemingly endless efforts to makes excuses for the regime and diminish the skeptics and their posts. Some of the skeptics just left the conversation, I didn't.

Again, trying to put it on presentation is just dishonest.

Edit: I think mods can forget how much their insertion of opinion, however inconsistent with reality, influences discussion etc etc. You have sycophants, toadies and bootlickers like NC who can't help themselves from agreeing with people of authority. That's an extreme case, but there's probably some reasonable, thoughtful Skins fans who just avoid discussion here because at times it's been more about rooting for a failed regime than a franchise.[/quote]

Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.

You seem to hold being a moderator in an oddly high regard. We're just here to keep the discussions flowing and keep the spammers, assholes and trolls out. That's it. Our opinions aren't some sort of calculated mass conspiracy. Nor should they be held in any higher regard than anyone else's.

Funny you bring up people avoiding discussion, because I know plenty that have recently and it's not because of why you seem to think.

It's quite comical how you see things really.

Paranoid much?

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[quote=punch it in;963653]Thanks for clearing that up.
[B]I didnt last very long on ES. Lol. [/B]
This whole LL thing started by Joe Redskins question "who is he"? Have been so confusing to me. Especially woth laron landry and lance lewis floating around. Lol think i got it now.[/quote]

Why is that?

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;963622]Buddy boy? You make some decent points in your posts. And then you come up with such idiocies as "Mike Shanahan had the benefit of playing in the easy AFC" followed by "Jeff Fisher is so awesome. He's been an amazing coach in the (suddenly powerful) AFC" or "Mike Shanahan is a has been who hasn't won in forever" followed by "I certainly wouldn't say no if Bill Cowher called"

That is why people say you hate just to hate. ...

[B]It's no wonder so many people have started ignoring you[/B].[/quote]

and, yet, you ... keep ... quoting ... him!!!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;963661]and, yet, you ... keep ... quoting ... him!!![/quote]

Mod fail. Sorry

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Smells like.....conspiracy, Comrade....

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[quote=Mattyk;963657][quote=Goat] ... Edit: I think mods can forget how much their insertion of opinion, however inconsistent with reality, influences discussion etc etc. [B]You have sycophants, toadies and bootlickers like NC who can't help themselves from agreeing with people of authority.[/B] That's an extreme case, but there's probably some reasonable, thoughtful Skins fans who just avoid discussion here because at times it's been more about rooting for a failed regime than a franchise.Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.[/quote]

... Funny you bring up people avoiding discussion, because I know plenty that have recently and it's not because of why you seem to think. [/QUOTE]

1. NC is many things, a "sycophant, toadie or bootlicker" who can't help himself "from agreeing with people in authority" is not one of them. You're arrogance is mind boggling.

2. I, among others I am sure, have been avoiding this discussion b/c this horse has been beaten to death, turned into dogfood, fed to the dog, sh** back out, used as manure to grow hay which was fed to the previous horse's colt which in turn was beaten to death, turned into dogfood ...

At this point, this thread is essentially a never ending rant by Shanny haters. It is fun to visit to watch their frustration.

3. I can't believe I quoted [I]and responded[/I], to a Goat Quote. May God have mercy on my soul. :doh:

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I didn't particulary like Shanahan when we brought him here. It's pretty easy to check. But I was happy as hell Vinny was gone and we had a real GM. I was willing to give him a chance and changed my sig to reflect it. I've been excited at times. Especially about RG3. But now I think the flaws are coming out and the things I didn't like about Mike then are the same they are now. He's the same guy they got rid of in Denver. I think we are better off in some areas since he got here and would now like to see what a new offensive minded young HC and an experienced motivated (unlike Haslett) young DC could do. If we're sticking with the 3-4 than get an experienced 3-4 coach. I haven't researched guys but there is certainly some talent out there. I had no idea who Mike Smith was until he became coach of the Falcons. Mike's gonna be what he was...he lost his team his owner his defenses the last years sucked and we've all heard the micromanaging egomaniac stories. We have a GM and some young talent and probably the best QB or one of the best in the NFL. Thanks Mike for helping to clean house. Let's move on now.

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craving some dog food

[QUOTE=Mattyk;963658]Why is that?[/QUOTE]

Well several years ago i went on. Didnt really post that much but noticed a couple mods were just ruthless. Some other poster said something to that effect. I replied something to the effect of - yeah they're rough around here and they gave me a peahead. That made me angry i used rude language basically inviting the boot and got it. Was alittle to lacking of the constitutional rites for me.
Than i went back on a few months ago and there were a couple of posters who would strait up call you a dumb mother****er for a view or opinion. I never once used inappropriate language just responded to the guy to relax. Another poster in boxed me and said " hey i hear you he is an asshole but dont say anything hes got pull". I figured that if i couldnt express or defend myself it wasnt a board i wAnted to be on. Than i literally got booted off for not wishing devin thomas good luck when he retired. Lol. I swear to God that is basically how it went down. One of the mods checked my ip address or sonething and figured out i got the peahead and booted off before. I was banned for life at that point.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[QUOTE=53Fan;963671]I didn't particulary like Shanahan when we brought him here. It's pretty easy to check. But I was happy as hell Vinny was gone and we had a real GM. I was willing to give him a chance and changed my sig to reflect it. I've been excited at times. Especially about RG3. But now I think the flaws are coming out and the things I didn't like about Mike then are the same they are now. He's the same guy they got rid of in Denver. I think we are better off in some areas since he got here and would now like to see what a new offensive minded young HC and an experienced motivated (unlike Haslett) young DC could do. If we're sticking with the 3-4 than get an experienced 3-4 coach. I haven't researched guys but there is certainly some talent out there. I had no idea who Mike Smith was until he became coach of the Falcons. Mike's gonna be what he was...he lost his team his owner his defenses the last years sucked and we've all heard the micromanaging egomaniac stories. We have a GM and some young talent and probably the best QB or one of the best in the NFL. Thanks Mike for helping to clean house. Let's move on now.[/QUOTE]

First, well said. I agree with almost all of this post - except I am not ready to jettison MS and start from ground zero again unless we end up with 5 or fewer wins this year.

Let's see how he finishes out the year. At this point, based on what some of the insider's have said, it seems that MS may have lost much of the team. Certainly Haslett appears to have lost the D. If we have a collapse, no turnaround whatsoever, I think it is a legitimate conversation to ask okay, not seeing it Mike. If on the other hand, he pulls it out and we finish in 7-9 or 8-8, I got no problem with giving him one or possibly two more years (depending on next year).

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;963670]1. NC is many things, a "sycophant, toadie or bootlicker" who can't help himself "from agreeing with people in authority" is not one of them. You're arrogance is mind boggling.

2. I, among others I am sure, have been avoiding this discussion b/c this horse has been beaten to death, turned into dogfood, fed to the dog, sh** back out, used as manure to grow hay which was fed to the previous horse's colt which in turn was beaten to death, turned into dogfood ...

At this point, this thread is essentially a never ending rant by Shanny haters. It is fun to visit to watch their frustration.

3. I can't believe I quoted [I]and responded[/I], to a Goat Quote. May God have mercy on my soul. :doh:[/quote]

A "Goat Quote". I think we have a new catch phase!

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;963670]1. NC is many things, a "sycophant, toadie or bootlicker" who can't help himself "from agreeing with people in authority" is not one of them. You're arrogance is mind boggling.

2. I, among others I am sure, have been avoiding this discussion b/c this horse has been beaten to death, turned into dogfood, fed to the dog, sh** back out, used as manure to grow hay which was fed to the previous horse's colt which in turn was beaten to death, turned into dogfood ...

At this point, this thread is essentially a never ending rant by Shanny haters. It is fun to visit to watch their frustration.

3. I can't believe I quoted [I]and responded[/I], to a Goat Quote. May God have mercy on my soul. :doh:[/QUOTE]

I think this thread has gone from absolutely ridiculous to sonething worth discussing and it has some people doubting what they were thinking about Shanny just three weeks ago. To say it is just for the bashers isnt fair - alot of defending in these parts. Its all just opinion on both sides of the fence. People are sick of the bashing. People are sick of the defense. Im glad that HTTR 24-7 interjected. Brings alittle bit of credibility to what was once considered angry rants of non-fans.
Edit: ridiculous to those who now see some merit in the question not me personally.

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Punch ... do you feel obligated to respond to [I]every[/I] post made by someone else? I am just curious what would happen if you had a thought you did not express - would the voices in your head drive you to kill? Root for the Cowboys? or would your brain actually explode?

I kid, I kid. It's all good. I just laugh everytime I look at your post count.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;963681]Punch ... do you feel obligated to respond to [I]every[/I] post made by someone else? I am just curious what would happen if you had a thought you did not express - would the voices in your head drive you to kill? Root for the Cowboys? or would your brain actually explode?

I kid, I kid. It's all good. I just laugh everytime I look at your post count.[/QUOTE]

In response to this i say:

I am on tapatalk usually. It is much easier to post in the same threads because there is a " participated threads " tab. So i tend to post in only about two or three seperate threads for long periods of time. I figure this gives plenty of room for people to not be annoyed by my post count and also allows me to quiet the voices in my head.
Edit: not to toot my own horn but i think sometimes i make some pretty good points, but instead of people saying - " i never thought about it that way" (even if they are thinking that) they say - your annoying thus leading to more posts from yours truely.

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lol ... fair enough punch. Whatever it takes to quiet the voices.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;963685]lol ... fair enough punch. Whatever it takes to quiet the voices.[/quote]

my voices say JoeRedskin needs to be quieted.

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i'm ignoring everyone, it makes the forum feel more spacious/roomy.

just how i like it

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Anyone know the record for posts on a thread? My voices were just curious.

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[quote=Mattyk;963657]Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.

You seem to hold being a moderator in an oddly high regard. We're just here to keep the discussions flowing and keep the spammers, assholes and trolls out. That's it. Our opinions aren't some sort of calculated mass conspiracy. Nor should they be held in any higher regard than anyone else's.

Funny you bring up people avoiding discussion, because I know plenty that have recently and it's not because of why you seem to think.

It's quite comical how you see things really.

Paranoid much?[/quote]

First of all it's way too small a site/community to require a mass anything. So let's just say it's coincidence. You, SS and a few other active mods have repeatedly defended this specific regime and negated skeptics and their posts. Name one active mod who clearly states the regime is a failure? That's the bottom line. What difference does it make how we got there (coincidence vs collusion)?

And you guys are way too smart to not realize how much sheep mentality takes over within any institution/organization. C'mon.

[QUOTE=los panda;963689]i'm ignoring everyone, it makes the forum feel more spacious/roomy.

just how i like it[/QUOTE]

At the risk of responding to everybody - you are on fire today. Lmao.

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[quote=The Goat;963691]First of all it's way too small a site/community to require a mass anything. So let's just say it's coincidence. You, SS and a few other active mods have repeatedly defended this specific regime and negated skeptics and their posts. Name one active mod who clearly states the regime is a failure? That's the bottom line. What difference does it make how we got there (coincidence vs collusion)?

And you guys are way too smart to not realize how much sheep mentality takes over within any institution/organization. C'mon.[/quote]

So 150 say at least wait till end of season, and 11(10 since SS voted for fun) think fire the bum now, and you pin that on sheep mentality. That's great.

Are the 38 that say wait till after the end of the season lost sheep yearning to be free but too blinded by [U]The Great Mod Conspiracy[/U] (coming to a theatre near you, this conspiracy has not yet rated by the MPAA)?

C'mon man.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;963695]So 150 say at least wait till end of season, and 11(10 since SS voted for fun) think fire the bum now, and you pin that on sheep mentality. That's great.

Are the 38 that say wait till after the end of the season lost sheep yearning to be free but too blinded by [U]The Great Mod Conspiracy[/U] (coming to a theatre near you, this conspiracy has not yet rated by the MPAA)?

C'mon man.[/quote]

Huh? The poll shows 70% do not believe Mike should be fired now or after after the season, meaining give him at least one more year, right?

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[quote=punch it in;963676]Well several years ago i went on. Didnt really post that much but noticed a couple mods were just ruthless. Some other poster said something to that effect. I replied something to the effect of - yeah they're rough around here and they gave me a peahead. That made me angry i used rude language basically inviting the boot and got it. Was alittle to lacking of the constitutional rites for me.
Than i went back on a few months ago and there were a couple of posters who would strait up call you a dumb mother****er for a view or opinion. I never once used inappropriate language just responded to the guy to relax. Another poster in boxed me and said " hey i hear you he is an asshole but dont say anything hes got pull". I figured that if i couldnt express or defend myself it wasnt a board i wAnted to be on. Than i literally got booted off for not wishing devin thomas good luck when he retired. Lol. I swear to God that is basically how it went down. One of the mods checked my ip address or sonething and figured out i got the peahead and booted off before. I was banned for life at that point.[/quote]

peahead? Do I even want to know?

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=The Goat;963691]First of all it's way too small a site/community to require a mass anything. So let's just say it's coincidence. You, SS and a few other active mods have repeatedly defended this specific regime and negated skeptics and their posts. Name one active mod who clearly states the regime is a failure? That's the bottom line. What difference does it make how we got there (coincidence vs collusion)?

And you guys are way too smart to not realize how much sheep mentality takes over within any institution/organization. C'mon.[/quote]

Take the mod aspect out of it. There are nearly 70% of people that voted in this poll that would, as you say, give MS at least another year. The poll is completely anonymous. What's the benefit in agreeing with me or SS??

As SS said, GM isn't a big fan of MS. So there's your mod. Happy? Frankly I'm not a big fan of MS right now, and I don't think SS is either. At the end of the day we just don't think firing him is necessarily the best answer. There's a little more grey area to things than you seem to be willing to acknowledge.

I guess ultimately what you're saying is you're right, and there's no room for discussion. Anyone who disagrees with you is clearly an idiot, an apologist, and probably a moderator, or someone who is a mod bootlicker. See where I'm going? I'm guessing you won't.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;963703]peahead? Do I even want to know?[/QUOTE]

They make your avatar into this great big hulking guy with a tiny little head. It would be really funny if they didnt use it just to flex their muscle when you speak out against the man.
Edit: why do i have a picture of you looking for different images to slap on my avatar rite now? Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;963715]They make your avatar into this great big hulking guy with a tiny little head. It would be really funny if they didnt use it just to flex their muscle when you speak out against the man.[/quote]

ah, we have something here like it, we don't use it often though, wanna see it?

[QUOTE=Mattyk;963717]ah, we have something here like it, we don't use it often though, wanna see it?[/QUOTE]

I just made an edit on the above post. How did i know? Yeah slap it on me. Haha.

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[quote=punch it in;963715]They make your avatar into this great big hulking guy with a tiny little head. It would be really funny if they didnt use it just to flex their muscle when you speak out against the man.
Edit: why do i have a picture of you looking for different images to slap on my avatar rite now? Lol.[/quote]



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