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[quote=The Goat;963831]^^^ This stuff is not surprising, right? What did we think is going on behind the scene's for a team - players and coaches (coaches especially) - to be so poorly prepared for gamedays?[/quote]

To this extent....yeah. I knew Haslett had lost the defense. I already posted Mike would lose the team just like he did in Denver. But I didn't know he was being called an expensive joke by in- house execs at this point. Obviously I didn't give people in the FO enough credit. They seem to be catching on quicker than in the past. What a situation for our great young QB to be in. :mad:

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it's not an in house executive

And we all know who the next HC is going to be

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[quote=SmootSmack;963849]it's not an in house executive

[B]And we all know who the next HC is going to be[/B][/quote]

Lindsey Lohan?

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Aaron Kromer

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[quote=Lotus;963850]Lindsey Lohan?[/quote]

she can be my Head Coach

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[quote=Bucket;963837]Assuming rumors are legit..

Now we are getting somewhere![/quote]

At what point do things stop being rumors and become facts with you? Just curious. It's been obvious the team has had individual blowups with no disciplinary action whatsoever. There has been a noticeable lack of intensity the last couple of weeks. Shanahan practically said he was throwing in the towell on the rest of the season no matter how he tried to explain it afterward. SS reported on the friction between Fletch and a couple of other players with Haslett. And SS said he already knew some of this was going on and wasn't surprised by some of the rest. Just curious what it takes for something to stop being a rumor and becoming a fact in your eyes. I heard the economy sucks and unemployment is high....I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one too huh? :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;963849]it's not an in house executive

And we all know who the next HC is going to be[/quote]

Redskin executive then.

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I will say this. Every team, even the best, has some friction. The best teams are the ones that keep it relatively irrelevant

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[quote=53Fan;963857]Redskin executive then.[/quote]

It's actually Ernie Grunfeld

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[quote=SmootSmack;963858]I will say this. Every team, even the best, has some friction. The best teams are the ones that keep it relatively irrelevant[/quote]

The Giants are the exception. This is the first year in ages that I don't remember "Coughlin should be fired!" talk at the mid-point of the season, right before they scrape together a playoff or Super Bowl run. Now that they're on a mini-losing streak, maybe they'll start showing up.

Every year it's a mutiny with their fans and media (NY media...it's to be expected).

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No matter how you feel about MS and company. Too many sources are reporting that there are issues at the R Park and if you are true Skins fan that is just sad to hear. I was really hoping we were on the right path this go around.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963851]Aaron Kromer[/quote]

Rather have Joe Vitt.... just my 2 cents??? I really like the way he conducted himself through the whole Bounty thing.... Standing up for his guys and holding players accountable for their actions.
I was really hoping that Shannahan was going to turn this thing around.... Just seems we are getting worse as the year goes on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963859]It's actually Ernie Grunfeld[/quote]

kettle black

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[quote=SmootSmack;963859]It's actually Ernie Grunfeld[/quote]

The Wizards Ernie? He has no business talking about the Skins. If there is a joke of a franchise in DC it is the Wizards.

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I wonder if there has ever been a losing team that doesn't have internal strife. Nobody likes to lose. It raises the level of stress and tension in any organization. Winning some games would quickly get things back in order.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;963830][url=http://www.blogtalkradio.com/httr-2-4-7-/2012/11/13/rumors-everywhere]Rumors everywhere 11/13 by HTTR24X72 | Blog Talk Radio[/url][/quote]

As much as I'd hate to see this happen, we just need to 100% clean house. Get a young and up coming GM that has experience picking players..who loves the personnel side of it. That GM then picks a younger coach who can X and O and motivate, grow with RG3 and give us some type of identity on both sides of the ball. We need to find the next Jim Harbaugh and a young Bill Polian.

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I told you (pl.) so.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/19/aaron-kromer-not-focusing-on-last-game-as-saints-boss/]Aaron Kromer not focusing on last game as Saints boss | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;963784]I don't see Gruden leaving ESPN honestly[/quote]

Um...

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[quote=SmootSmack;963859]It's actually Ernie Grunfeld[/quote]

Dear god. That could possibly even be worse than having Vinny. :laughing-

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RG3 and a ton of money could make Gruden and a lot of coaches change their minds about coming here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963875]Um...[/quote]

I guess thats changed.

Replacing a Shanny with a Gruden, Cowher...just not a strong move imo. Doesnt make sense to me.

A move that I wouldnt mind (braces for attack) when it comes to retread at head coach would be Reid WITHOUT Marty Morningweg coming along.

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I'm pretty tired of hiring retreads myself. At least for HC. Seems like they win a SB then take a few years off waiting to be paid like they're the best or waiting for the perfect situation to come along.

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[quote=53Fan;963881]I'm pretty tired of hiring retreads myself. At least for HC. Seems like they win a SB then take a few years off waiting to be paid like they're the best or waiting for the perfect situation to come along.[/quote]

Bill Cower is a Marty Schottenheimer disciple who may be past his prime. If anyone recalls, the Pittsburgh Steelers went 7-9 the year after they won SB40. Jon Gruden would make a good coach but we have to look at why he was fired in Tampa Bay. The year he was fired the Bucs started off 9-3 and finished 9-7 to miss the playoffs. We need to be careful of who we want as our coach in the future.

I'd want a young coach like a John and Jim Harbaugh. Not hire a coach that has won SBs in the past. It always almost doesn't work out. Just look at George Seifert.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;963882]Bill Cower is a Marty Schottenheimer disciple who may be past his prime. If anyone recalls, the Pittsburgh Steelers went 7-9 the year after they won SB40. Jon Gruden would make a good coach but we have to look at why he was fired in Tampa Bay. The year he was fired the Bucs started off 9-3 and finished 9-7 to miss the playoffs. We need to be careful of who we want as our coach in the future.

I'd want a young coach like a John and Jim Harbaugh. Not hire a coach that has won SBs in the past. QIt always almost doesn't work out. Just look at George Seifert.[/quote]
I agree. I'm really interested in guys like Roman. The OC for SF that SFREDSKIN brought up.

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If there is a move made against MS (which I still doubt until his contract is up for renewal barring a disaster in 2013) you have to consider the personnel implications of changing coaches, especially on offense. Let's just look at some players who probably won't fit into other schemes (power running game, vertical passing game, etc.) as much as they do our current scheme:
Alfred Morris-One cut, downhill, zone runner. He probably wouldn't be as effective in getting chunk yardage in a power game and wouldn't fit much at all in a spread passing game relying on speed and quickness.
Stieger, Chester, Monty-Playing pretty well as a unit but probably won't fit into a scheme requiring power blocking or pass blocking for a 5-7 step dropback passing game or spread passing game. Even T. Williams to a lesser extent whose strengths are his mobility and athleticism may not be as effective in a power scheme.
Morgan, Hankerson, Garcon- Arguments exist about how productive they are now but they are best suited for a WCO type, YAC passing game, not a spread (none are particularly quick) or vertical (none have blazing speed) passing attack.

Those are just off the top of my head but it's just to make a point that just changing the leadership isn't a magical cure to what ails this team.

While I get the frustration and angst with the results of the current regime, one of the reasons the Giants, Steelers and Packers remain competitive and at or near the top of the league every year is because they have philosophies that the organization is committed to and they draft and coach to those philosophies, not changing them every 2-3 years to suit a new master.

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Well you do have guys out there like Roman who seems to be able to adapt his offense to his personell pretty well. He made David Carr look good..coached Luck at Stanford and has done a wonderful job with Alex Smith and SF's offense. Even Gibbs changed his style to a point when JKC told him to start running Riggins.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;963867]I wonder if there has ever been a losing team that doesn't have internal strife. Nobody likes to lose. It raises the level of stress and tension in any organization. Winning some games would quickly get things back in order.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Beat the damn birds before we are a dang laughing stock. Finish the year strong - possible to be playing the Gints on Monday nite in a couple weeks for huge division crown implications and lets save the sorting out for the off season. I mean according to HTTR 24-7 even Haz is finishing the year so we are stuck with what we have. Beat the birds. Baby steps.

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What am I missing on Roman? For all of the love he's getting on here, SF is ranked lower than us in all statistical categories offensively. Their defense is top 3 but I never watch Niner games and think, 'wow I wish our offense was like that!'

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[quote=Paintrain;963888]What am I missing on Roman? For all of the love he's getting on here, SF is ranked lower than us in all statistical categories offensively. Their defense is top 3 but I never watch Niner games and think, 'wow I wish our offense was like that!'[/quote]

Did you see what he did with Luck at Stanford? He can do the same with RGIII, currently with Smith his offense is dink and dunk which makes Smith Successful. He's the only out of 6 or 7 coordinators who has had success with Smith. Roman's style is like Gibbs, big physical OL, a tough pounding type RB and wide open offense with the right QB, in our case RGIII. He did it with Luck, don't go by his #'s look at his success with QB's. He knows to adapt to the type of QB he has.

[QUOTE=Paintrain;963885]If there is a move made against MS (which I still doubt until his contract is up for renewal barring a disaster in 2013) you have to consider the personnel implications of changing coaches, especially on offense. Let's just look at some players who probably won't fit into other schemes (power running game, vertical passing game, etc.) as much as they do our current scheme:
Alfred Morris-One cut, downhill, zone runner. He probably wouldn't be as effective in getting chunk yardage in a power game and wouldn't fit much at all in a spread passing game relying on speed and quickness.
Stieger, Chester, Monty-Playing pretty well as a unit but probably won't fit into a scheme requiring power blocking or pass blocking for a 5-7 step dropback passing game or spread passing game. Even T. Williams to a lesser extent whose strengths are his mobility and athleticism may not be as effective in a power scheme.
Morgan, Hankerson, Garcon- Arguments exist about how productive they are now but they are best suited for a WCO type, YAC passing game, not a spread (none are particularly quick) or vertical (none have blazing speed) passing attack.

Those are just off the top of my head but it's just to make a point that just changing the leadership isn't a magical cure to what ails this team.

While I get the frustration and angst with the results of the current regime, one of the reasons the Giants, Steelers and Packers remain competitive and at or near the top of the league every year is because they have philosophies that the organization is committed to and they draft and coach to those philosophies, not changing them every 2-3 years to suit a new master.[/QUOTE]

Yes but the other thing those teams have in common is great qb play which the offenses were built around. We have one now too. It starts there. The D is going to be the big question mark going forward. 4-3 or 3-4?

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shanny stated that he plans on subcontracting the head coaching position. he's currently accepting proposals/bids

[QUOTE=Paintrain;963888]What am I missing on Roman? For all of the love he's getting on here, SF is ranked lower than us in all statistical categories offensively. Their defense is top 3 but I never watch Niner games and think, 'wow I wish our offense was like that!'[/QUOTE]

I think the fact that he has no qb speaks volumes about him and their ability to win so many games. Their d has been sort of off lately dont you think?

[QUOTE=53Fan;963878]RG3 and a ton of money could make Gruden and a lot of coaches change their minds about coming here.[/QUOTE]

That's what's wrong with redskins, quit throwing money at coaches with big egos. Go get a young up an coming GM and coach, who want to prove themselves.

[QUOTE=los panda;963891]shanny stated that he plans on subcontracting the head coaching position. he's currently accepting proposals/bids[/QUOTE]

I bid one dollar. Works on the price is rite?

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[quote=Chico23231;963879]I guess thats changed.

Replacing a Shanny with a Gruden, Cowher...just not a strong move imo. Doesnt make sense to me.

A move that I wouldnt mind (braces for attack) when it comes to retread at head coach would be Reid WITHOUT Marty Morningweg coming along.[/quote]

Who's saying Jon Gruden would come here?

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i keep saying this but i at least expect and want him to stay thru next year... year one with rg3 looks ok... so year 2? i wanna see it.

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No more Super Bowl winning head coaches! It's near impossible to duplicate the same success that a HC had with one team with another. Only 2 HC have won the SB with a one team and returned to the big game with another team. That should be reason enough to not want Gruden. Parcells and Holmgren have come the closest. It's time to get a young coach starting fresh.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;963889]Did you see what he did with Luck at Stanford? He can do the same with RGIII, currently with Smith his offense is dink and dunk which makes Smith Successful. He's the only out of 6 or 7 coordinators who has had success with Smith. Roman's style is like Gibbs,[B] big physical OL, a tough pounding type RB and wide open offense [/B]with the right QB, in our case RGIII. He did it with Luck, don't go by his #'s look at his success with QB's. He knows to adapt to the type of QB he has.[/quote]

So again this goes to my previous post, our roster isn't suited to that style of play. You're good with starting over again with the OL because we aren't big & physical, RB because Morris is perfect for our scheme but probably wouldn't fit as well in others and WR because we don't have weapons for a 'wide open' scheme.

Offense isn't close to an issue for us, we need to fix the D.

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[quote=punch it in;963890]Yes but the other thing those teams have in common is great qb play which the offenses were built around. We have one now too. It starts there. The D is going to be the big question mark going forward. 4-3 or 3-4?[/quote]
I don't care 4-3 or 3-4, both work if schemed properly. We've got major backend personnel issues but if those get shored up and we're healthy on the front 7 I think our defense would be decent under a better coordinator. I doubt changing back to a 4-3 would magically transform us back to a top 10 unit.