Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Mattyk72;554855]I hope he gets another shot somewhere. I think the guy took more heat than he deserved. It would be interesting to see him come back as a WR or RB, because I honestly think coming back to play QB is going to be a steep uphill climb. He would probably need to ride the pine for a while.[/quote]

I could see him being a WR and/or KR/PR. He probably would've benefitted by becoming a WR or DB out of college. Still can't believe that he got the contract he did though, but yeah, he's done his time.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Stuck in TX;554912]Wow, one extreme to another. PETA are some crazy mofo's and commit more controversy than dog fighting in its entirety. The only upside would be his constant involvement with the public would help to improve his image. As far as this debate about position is concerned, I am a huge Hokies fan and would love to see him as a QB somewhere. Even if he has to be a backup at first. He is an animal and has an intense work ethic and I think he could excel and be an asset to almost any team.[/quote]

PETA performs euthanasia at a higher rate than most shelters.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;554755]Lighten up. He's paid his debt to society and hit rock bottom. He did a terrible thing but life moves on. He deserves another shot if someone is willing to give him one. No one is going to hand him anything. Look around the NFL at all the poor QB play. Teams are desperate to win and someone will probably give him a chance. Afterall Leonard Little is still playing.[/quote]

I don't see where I am too hard on him that I should "lighten up". I said if he can go through camp and win a job, then let him have it. The key is for him to WIN THE JOB. If he's good enough to be an NFL Qb for someone because he beat out the others, then let him play.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=53Fan;554722]The world gets stranger every day.[/quote]

This is actually mild for the nutjobs in PETA.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tryfuhl;554941]PETA performs euthanasia at a higher rate than most shelters.[/quote]

Truth. They've been caught several times disposing of pets by the dumpster-full.

Sick hypocrites.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tryfuhl;554941]PETA performs euthanasia at a higher rate than most shelters.[/quote]

Well dude, it's not like they have celebrities donating huge hordes of money......wait what?

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;554864] And yes his last season he was coming into his own and becoming a better pocket passer. [/quote]

Sorry, don't mean to single you out cause others have expressed this too, but this makes me laugh. Just cause some announcers said it, and Vick himself got on TV after 1 decent game and tried to silence doubters doesn't mean ANYONE should have listened.
His last season he had a 52.5 comp%. Which was the WORST of his full seasons and 1.2% LOWER than his career average. (for his full seasons, here is how he "progressed": 54.9%, 56.4%, 55.3%, 52.6%...this hardly suggests he was coming into his own)
His last season he threw for only 154.6 yards per game. Which is about 1 yard LOWER than his career average, and one of the worst in the NFL.
His last season he took 45 sacks losing 303 yards (which was a career worst in yards lost). That was 12 MORE than his previous season, and for a mobile QB, that's a lot.
People ONLY see his running stats, and they are eye popping! But they skew your view of him as a QB. He is one of the most overrated qb's in history. His throwing ability is horrible, and I would have to wager that he didn't get better in prison.

About Vick / Tavaris comparisons: (keep in mind that was not my analogy, it was someone elses, I do not think Jackson compares to Vick or vice versa, just playing devils advocate)
In Vicks last 2 seasons he was 15-16. Tavaris Jackson, for instance, was 10-7.
Vick has a passing TD once every 1.0597 games started. Tavaris has a passing TD once every 1.0526 games started. Remarkably similar.
Vick career comp% is a disgustingly low 53.8%. Tavaris career comp% is 58.4%.
That being said, I do not think Tavaris Jackson is a servicable QB in the NFL, and I would rather have Vick simply for the running factor, but nothing provided shows that Vick was on his way, or is someone that should be given a shot to be QB again. If he had a QB coach in prison, then more power to him, maybe he got better. But I highly doubt it.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

There has got to be something else for us to talk about.....:bdh:

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=REDSKIN1;554982]There has got to be something else for us to talk about.....:bdh:[/quote]

^someone call PETA. lol.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=REDSKIN1;554982]There has got to be something else for us to talk about.....:bdh:[/quote]

Great Derby race on Saturday. :)

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

;) [url]http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=13568[/url] ;)

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=jsarno;554979]Sorry, don't mean to single you out cause others have expressed this too, but this makes me laugh. Just cause some announcers said it, and Vick himself got on TV after 1 decent game and tried to silence doubters doesn't mean ANYONE should have listened.
His last season he had a 52.5 comp%. Which was the WORST of his full seasons and 1.2% LOWER than his career average. (for his full seasons, here is how he "progressed": 54.9%, 56.4%, 55.3%, 52.6%...this hardly suggests he was coming into his own)
His last season he threw for only 154.6 yards per game. Which is about 1 yard LOWER than his career average, and one of the worst in the NFL.
His last season he took 45 sacks losing 303 yards (which was a career worst in yards lost). That was 12 MORE than his previous season, and for a mobile QB, that's a lot.
People ONLY see his running stats, and they are eye popping! But they skew your view of him as a QB. He is one of the most overrated qb's in history. His throwing ability is horrible, and I would have to wager that he didn't get better in prison.

About Vick / Tavaris comparisons: (keep in mind that was not my analogy, it was someone elses, I do not think Jackson compares to Vick or vice versa, just playing devils advocate)
In Vicks last 2 seasons he was 15-16. Tavaris Jackson, for instance, was 10-7.
Vick has a passing TD once every 1.0597 games started. Tavaris has a passing TD once every 1.0526 games started. Remarkably similar.
Vick career comp% is a disgustingly low 53.8%. Tavaris career comp% is 58.4%.
That being said, I do not think Tavaris Jackson is a servicable QB in the NFL, and I would rather have Vick simply for the running factor, but nothing provided shows that Vick was on his way, or is someone that should be given a shot to be QB again. If he had a QB coach in prison, then more power to him, maybe he got better. But I highly doubt it.[/quote]

Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;555003]Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.[/quote]You seem to use the word playmaker synonymously to the way I would use the word underachiever, but I'll grant that in Vick's younger days, he was athletic enough to take a 3 win team to a 7 win team by himself.

It didn't take very long for NFL defenses to figure out that if you keep him behind his big guys in the backfield, he's not very useful.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

Atlanta is better off with Matt Ryan for the long run. What happened with Vick was a blessing in disguise.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;555003]Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.[/quote]

Point was, he was not coming into his own. The stats don't lie man.
You bring up Ben R. and McNabb. Two Vicks don't equal 1 of either of them. To show passing stats is not pointless...it shows his lack of skills as a QB. I said it before, and I'll say it again, Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart. He's not worthy of being under center unless he's going to run the ball every time.