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Who was it that said Allen kinda sounds like Gruden? He sounds [I][U]a lot[/U][/I] like Gruden to me, he even has some of the same facial expressions when he talks. It's weird.

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Thought this was good

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/shanahan_enters_snyder_steps_a.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Shanahan enters, Snyder steps aside[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;651461]And Snyder was like Obama thinking he could fix everything with money.[/quote]

No, Snyder actually wants his team to WIN!

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[quote=Buster;651529][I]Originally Posted by firstdown
And Snyder was like Obama thinking he could fix everything with money.
[/I]
No, Snyder actually wants his team to WIN![/quote]

Alright sorry for making the reference to Cheany. I was just proposing the idea that the underling had more power and influence then the head guy. Please no more politics.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;651379]Maybe we'll get lucky and play Indy and GB after they have locked up #1 or #2 in their respective conferences. Maybe Minnesota will win the superbowl and Favre will retire. APs hit a wall and their offense will be nothing without Favre. Ok, i think that's enough optomism for me for one day...[/quote]


Dude, seriously if you are this disgruntled with the Skins maybe you should jump on a current winning teams band wagon and then come back here in a year or two, damn

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[quote=Dirtbag359;651442]Anyone else find Shannahan's quote from Marty, in that he said "if you have a chance to work for Snyder, take it." surprising?[/quote]

I have sirius and marty does a show on there and he has on many occasion been asked about snyder and has always said the same thing, he likes snyder and his passion but he loathes vinny and said snyders problem was vinny 100%. remember marty fired vinny.

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[quote=freddyg12;651405]Love it! HGTV & espn could simulcast: historic paint colors, colonial recipes & redskins training camp! The history channel could also get involved & talk about our name & the native americans down the road at Jamestown.

I'll be waiting w/pint in hand at the green leafe![/quote]
seriously wouldnt that be sweeeet! You remeber they had some talks with W&M a few years back but they declined the offer from snyder. oh well nice thought though.

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just got home and saw the first visual footage of the presser, i really like the fact that snyder walked in with allen and shanny, shook shanny's hand and then took a set with the rest of the onlookers instead of sitting up there with them, maybe he is finilly getting it, i sure hope so

side note i'm in love with shanny after his first refernce to snyder was "dan"

gonna be a good offseason can't wait to see the team grow in the next few years HTTR!!!

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[quote=Landry44;651454]I think a lot of us are forming our opinion of Snyder based on speculation. We don't know the full extent of his involvement when it came to hiring coaches and bringing in players. I'm sure that he will allow Shanahan and Allen to run this football team. These are guys are great football minds. Why does everyone assume that Snyder will interfere with them running our football team?[/quote]

Because that's what he's always done in the past and we know old habits are hard to break. We all want to feel the way you suggest and hope him stepping back will be the case, but many are not throughly convinced mainly because his track record so far has not shown that to be true. Therefore, there are still some content to take the wait and see attitude.

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[quote=Mattyk;651527]Who was it that said Allen kinda sounds like Gruden? He sounds [I][U]a lot[/U][/I] like Gruden to me, he even has some of the same facial expressions when he talks. It's weird.[/quote]

Very weird. You would think they had hung out together all their life or were related.

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Snyder looks like he's finally got it. Now let's see these guys roll their sleves up and go to work.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;651553]I have sirius and marty does a show on there and he has on many occasion been asked about snyder and has always said the same thing, he likes snyder and his passion but he loathes vinny and said snyders problem was vinny 100%. remember marty fired vinny.[/quote]

Yeah, I just reread the quote and while he criticized Snyder he also had good things to say about him. With Vinny, well he just laid into him, and given that story he should have. Guy was a snake, and personally I regret ever giving him the benefit of the doubt. I wonder what Vinny is doing now. Hopefully he's been excommunicated from Redskins park.

[quote=Mattyk;651528]Thought this was good

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/shanahan_enters_snyder_steps_a.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Shanahan enters, Snyder steps aside[/url][/quote]

He really does listen to the fans. Personally Snyder was never really the true problem and even if he was it was a problem that could be corrected. In other words he just had to learn how to hire the right guys then step aside, thats all he had to do to become a top tier owner. Sure it took him 10 years to do it, but the point is he learned from his mistakes. Now you have an owner willing to spend whatevers necessary that doesn't meddle when it comes to football decisions....hopefully.

Vinny on the other hand as a player evaluator, people person, and GM was a lost cause.

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Hey SFREDSKINS, you should beg Summo to turn this into your avatar:

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/shannypresser1.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;651610]Hey SFREDSKINS, you should beg Summo to turn this into your avatar:

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/shannypresser1.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

on the junkies on 106.7 this morning the had romanowski on and they asked him if the rumors that shanny could open a can of tuna with his teeth was true

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I'm impressed with Shanny, I predict if Portis stays, he will come in 25 pounds lighter and have that blazing speed we seen in Denver, and if not... his fat ass is gone!!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;651414]I know some still don't want to believe it, but yeah he's given up his power.[/quote]

I thought a great metaphor for the future was Snyder NOT sitting at the table with Allen/Shanahan during the presser, and not speaking. He simply shook their hands and stepped aside. Very telling.

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[quote=12thMan;651343]Well for sure we know Devin, Kelly, and [B]Davis will be penciled in as starters next year.[/B] I'm also excited about Marko having another full year of camp under his belt. I really think 10-6 or 11-5 is realistic next season.

And I haven't even started drinking Kool Aid yet![/quote]

So Cooley is either getting traded or benched?

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The best part of the whole day was when Kelly Johnson asked MS about the recent comments between Portis and Cambell. His response made me smile. He basically told her that those things happen and that the Redskins would be a team that keeps that kind of stuff in house and that all of the players would know thats how he wants it.

There will be no more BS coming from #26 about teamates, coaches, whatever when it comes to the TEAM. I always hated that shit anyway. If a tem has some internal disagreements, Why do we as fans have to know about it? Too much inside access if you ask me and I think it all stops with MS.

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[quote=GMScud;651701]I thought a great metaphor for the future was Snyder NOT sitting at the table with Allen/Shanahan during the presser, and not speaking. He simply shook their hands and stepped aside. Very telling.[/quote]

Absolutely.

One another point, for those saying we saw this with Marty in 2001 and this will be 2001 all over again. This is not the same situation. Marty was running everything-the scouting process, the draft process (not just draft day but all the weeks and months leading up to it-choosing who to interview at the combines, who to bring in for pro day, etc), managing the cap. Marty, as is his preference, ran everything and didn't have much of a front office. Just him and the scouts. Allen will take the lead in a lot of those areas which should provide for a more efficient organization. And allow Shanahan to focus primarily on coaching, even with final say on personnel decisions

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[quote=GMScud;651701]I thought a great metaphor for the future was Snyder NOT sitting at the table with Allen/Shanahan during the presser, and not speaking. He simply shook their hands and stepped aside. Very telling.[/quote]

Yeah no doubt.

It's almost as if Danny has thrown his hands up in the air and said ok you win, I'm giving up the power, let's try something different. I mean he fired Vinny for crying out loud, the significance of that alone seems to have been lost on folks a bit.

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I like this next step for the organization. It seems as though Shanny kept working although he was collecting his 7 mil from the broncos for not coaching. He has had an office set up in Denver from day one after being fired from the broncos. Mike was watching game film for 5 to 6 hours a day trying to find new wrinkles to run in his offenses. All of this comes from a great article on Shanny in the Washington Post.

I really think that this cold be a team that goes from worst to a factor right away. We have alot of talent and have had no leader. Well we fixed that finally. We have a guy who is a modern football genius and has a work ethis similair to gibbs 1.0. This is going to be a fun offseason, and a productive 2010 regular season. I am not putting a win loss record prediction up, but we have a guy in charge who can get things done.

Is there anyone out there who knows MS's record against the NFC?

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[quote=GMScud;651702]So Cooley is either getting traded or benched?[/quote]

Neither. I think they'll pretty much split playing time, Cooley will get a lot of looks. But I think Cooley has lost his starting role.

EDIT: Technically, yes, Cooley will be benched in my opinion.

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Right now, I am all for uncontrolled optimism...Shanny said all the right things, DS is making an effort to act a certain way, in terms of talent, this defense is pretty solid and we have a few, emphasis on a few, solid pieces on the offense and with Shanny's help I see no reason why we can't turn this thing around.

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[quote=SmootSmack;651752]Absolutely.

One another point, for those saying we saw this with Marty in 2001 and this will be 2001 all over again. This is not the same situation. Marty was running everything-the scouting process, the draft process (not just draft day but all the weeks and months leading up to it-choosing who to interview at the combines, who to bring in for pro day, etc), managing the cap. Marty, as is his preference, ran everything and didn't have much of a front office. Just him and the scouts. Allen will take the lead in a lot of those areas which should provide for a more efficient organization. And allow Shanahan to focus primarily on coaching, even with final say on personnel decisions[/quote]
I really see this hire much more as DS having evolved and not making some dramatic change this season like most fans see it. Dan Snyder started out very hands on, but he has relinquished the reigns to Marty for a little, and then to JG for longer. He knows, trusts and respects both BA and MS, and I think BA gives him the link to the glory days that he really wants, so he doesn't have to pose with the 3 trophies, or keep older coaches. The trust, respect, and link allow him to sit back more, and let this franchise soar.

It is easy to look solely at results and be pessimistic about this change, but I think if you look at the path of Snyder's ownership you see a trend toward the result we all want. I think it's like a sine wave in that you have the up curves of Marty-JG-MS and the valleys of SSpurrier-JZ but those fluctuations have really allowed DS to find his way to being a top flight owner.
Now if MS fails and we go 4-12 the next 2 seasons, we will have a stark raving lunatic as an owner frothing at the mouth kinda like Al Davis...

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[quote=GMScud;651701]I thought a great metaphor for the future was Snyder NOT sitting at the table with Allen/Shanahan during the presser, and not speaking. He simply shook their hands and stepped aside. Very telling.[/quote]

Very choreographed if you ask me. I had a chance to watch it last night and as much as I hate to agree with Sally Jenkins on anything, i think she nailed it on this issue:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/06/AR2010010604736.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

[quote]In the front row sat owner Daniel Snyder, in an obvious attempt to be discrete, if there is such a thing as obvious discretion. That Allen was the guy who introduced Shanahan and not Snyder was an unmistakable gesture, a kind of pantomime. It suggested that Snyder is at least cognizant of the perception that he has been interfering.

But it doesn't matter where Snyder sits, or how little he says in public. What matters is what he does through private channels. What matters is that those channels exist at all. Changing the Redskins' culture won't be a matter of externals, but of internals. It will have to happen below the surface, on unseen levels, in a thousand small, invisible and subterranean ways.
[/quote]

Anyway, i'll keep the rest of my "tempered enthusiasm" in the appropriate thread.

The most noteable thing i noticed in the presser was the fact that shanahan said he would be interviewing current staff members who would like to stay. part of me would like shanahan to completely clean house so this team could truly be his, but its very smart on his part to interview the people already in house. If he truly wants to assemble "the best staff possible," then there's no reason to exclude the coaches here. I wonder, perhaps the reason bugel hasn't "retired" yet is because he may stay on as our OL coach. Anyone else think thats a possibility? if so, how would you feel about it?

On the one hand, I like Bugel and think he's one of the best position coaches of all time. On the other, like I said earlier, i'd like Shanahan to clean house and start with a clean slate. Bugel, like those 3 superbowl trophies that were conspicuously absent yesterday, is a symbol of times past. its time to look forward.

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Buges doesn't fit with the zone blocking scheme Shanahan runs. I'm not sure what is delaying his retirement exactly, maybe he's just sticking around and wrapping up loose ends for now, but I don't see Buges coming back.

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Thought this was good

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/01/07/campbell-and-cartwright-watch-the-presser/]Jason Campbell And Rock Cartwright Watch The Presser[/url]

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I had heard on NFL Sirius radio that Bugel did retire. I have no link or anything but I have heard it was done. Tim and Pat were talking about it on Moving the Chains in thier opening yesterday on the radio show. As well as talking about Shanahan and BA.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;651867]I had heard on NFL Sirius radio that Bugel did retire. I have no link or anything but I have heard it was done. Tim and Pat were talking about it on Moving the Chains in thier opening yesterday on the radio show. As well as talking about Shanahan and BA.[/quote]

Moving the chains is probably my favorite show on NFL radio. Kirwan is pretty sharp and has a lot of inside connections. Tim does a good job at breaking down the inside and outs of the game.

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[quote=Mattyk;651874]Moving the chains is probably my favorite show on NFL radio. Kirwan is pretty sharp and has a lot of inside connections. Tim does a good job at breaking down the inside and outs of the game.[/quote]

I agree, best show on NFL radio. I think I almost would rather wax my butt crack than listen to adam schiens voice, that dude is almost impossible to listen to.

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[quote=Mattyk;651823]Thought this was good

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/01/07/campbell-and-cartwright-watch-the-presser/]Jason Campbell And Rock Cartwright Watch The Presser[/url][/quote]

That was really cool to watch. Thanks

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[quote=SkinEmAll;651877]I agree, best show on NFL radio. I think I almost would rather wax my butt crack than listen to adam schiens voice, that dude is almost impossible to listen to.[/quote]

Yeah he's such a freaking dork and his voice is extremely annoying. He over enunciates everything, I just find it hard to believe he talks like that all the time in his everyday life.

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[quote=Mattyk;651874]Moving the chains is probably my favorite show on NFL radio. Kirwan is pretty sharp and has a lot of inside connections. Tim does a good job at breaking down the inside and outs of the game.[/quote]

Totally agree. I love moving the chains... Great Show T-Rock and Pat are probably one of my favorite radio combos ever. Those guys are extremely informative and none bias. Now Schien is one of the guys I listen to because I disagree with so much he talks about and throughly cannot stand his voice. That dude straight up gets on my nerves. AND HE HATES THE REDSKINS. "Thats all I have to really say about that.." good to work in a Forest Gump quote every once in awhile!

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The best thing I heard Shanahan say was regarding the talent level.
"We will look at the talent and ADAPT the scheme most effective for the talent....."
THANKYOU.........HOLY HELL, THANKYOU MS

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Pete Prisco slams Shanahan as a personnel guy:

[url=http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/19392624]The food is rotten - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;651933]Pete Prisco slams Shanahan as a personnel guy:

[url=http://peteprisco.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/19392624]The food is rotten - CBSSports.com[/url][/quote]

its no secret that both shanahan and allen suck as personnel guys. thats the one crucial piece of the puzzle that is still missing. Hopefully, that piece will be found well in advance of the draft and free agency.

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They don't suck. They're not the best and they have made some poor decisions but they don't suck

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[quote=SmootSmack;651943]They don't suck. They're not the best and they have made some poor decisions but they don't suck[/quote]

depends on your definition of suck. they've both made [U]more poor decisons than good ones[/U], especially allen. Shanahan is pretty good in drafting/signing good offensive players though. however, in the press conference, shanahan said he "never" excercised his "final say" authority in Denver, so perhaps it was just denvers scouting and player development departments that sucked.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;651937]its no secret that both shanahan and allen suck as personnel guys. thats the one crucial piece of the puzzle that is still missing. Hopefully, that piece will be found well in advance of the draft and free agency.[/quote]

[B]People in general seem to think nothing ever changes?[/B]
People learn from their mistakes? Unless your a Cowboy......
I know that I am....compelled to do something different the second time around if it did not work to my satisfaction the first time. I add safeguards, use additional expertise, consult, etc. Is it not a reasonable assumption that our current FO and coaching staff will do the same?

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[quote=Hog1;651967][B]People in general seem to think nothing ever changes?[/B]
People learn from their mistakes? Unless your a Cowboy......
I know that I am....compelled to do something different the second time around if it did not work to my satisfaction the first time. I add safeguards, use additional expertise, consult, etc. Is it not a reasonable assumption that our current FO and coaching staff will do the same?[/quote]

you change and learn from your mistakes, but if you are inherently bad at something, you're not going to get much better at it. as has been stated a number of times, one of the main reasons shanahan failed when wearing the GM hat in denver is because coaching took up so much of his time, he didn't have enough left to do the proper due dilligence to ensure he made good personnel decisions. Shanahan won't have any more time here, so it would be completely foolish to think he would do any better than he did in Denver in making good personnel decisions. There is only so much time in the day. With Bruce Allen, its simply not one of his strengths. Its more reasonable to think he can simply improve. However, you have to remember that both of these guys were fired within the past year because they "sucked" at being GMs. its unreasonable to expect them to be much better than they were in such a short period of time. A third "piece to the puzzle" needs to be added.