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There is plenty of room to criticize underachieving players after today. This thread could have easily been "should DeAngelo Hall still be employed by the Redskins", but in the big picture, that's irrelevant. Hall will be playing in the NFL for someone next year. That team will not be winning.

Shanahan may very well be on television next year.

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[quote=mooby;958043]No my point was you said no coach since Norval has lasted more than 3 years, which Gibbs did. It wasn't so much about whether he deserved to be fired. I remember fans calling for Gibbs' head too, saying he was out-of-touch, etc. I definitely didn't want Gibbs to leave either.[/quote]Gibbs 2.0 won within his first two years of coming back. He had already justified his re-hire heading into year three.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;958045]There is plenty of room to criticize underachieving players after today. This thread could have easily been "should DeAngelo Hall still be employed by the Redskins", but in the big picture, that's irrelevant. Hall will be playing in the NFL for someone next year. That team will not be winning.

Shanahan may very well be on television next year.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree that D Hall should go. He has become more of a liability than an asset.

D Hall needs to go. Honesty, I do not see the Sinks getting rid of him this year, but I also do not see D Hall being on the team next year.

If the Skins can find a replacmemt for D Hall this season, I am all for it.

With all of D Hall's experience in the NFL, he should know better than to get in the face of a ref.

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today's loss was almost 100% on dropped balls and bad defense. the WRs haven't had that problem before, so that's really kind of odd, but the bad D was a known problem that does go against the personal decisions that allowed these players to see the field.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958035]Association brings assimilation. If he keeps hammering home the "it's the coaches fault" idea, people will start believing it.

I think sometimes it is the coaches fault (Zero blitz, leaving D. Hall on an island will always linger in my memory) but I think today was on the shoulders of the players, sloppy play, sloppy execution, non-existent defense but coupled with weird desperation plays (RG3 as a WR. Paulsen on a TE screen).

This whole thing was a collective loss. F's all around.[/quote]

Absolutely. The coaches didn't drop 10 passes...but the whole team looked flat and the coaches do hold some responsibity for that. This was a total team loss. And I haven't said much about Haslett..in fact I've talked more about our injuries...but good lord this guy is NOT DC material. At least not in the 3-4.

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worst of our future

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[quote=punch it in;958044]RG-3 - gee that was a tough call - nobody thought he was gonna be any good - really went out on a limb there

A- mo - great great pick.

TW - check

Kerrigan- check

Starting to run thin now. Probably firgetting a couple good ones but the bad picks outweigh them - so yeah im goin there.


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2010 draft was missing a lot of picks and they got a couple good players. Last year was Kerrigan, Helu, royster, hank, and we will see how Jenkins turns out. This year was pretty good of course. Go back to drafts before he arrived, there is literally nothing except Rak.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958010]Then I'm a moron because I give him give full years.[/quote]

Sign me up for the moron parade too

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I think Shanahan should have until the end of next year before these questions start happening.

[QUOTE=punch it in;958044]RG-3 - gee that was a tough call - nobody thought he was gonna be any good - really went out on a limb there

A- mo - great great pick.

TW - check

Kerrigan- check

Starting to run thin now. Probably firgetting a couple good ones but the bad picks outweigh them - so yeah im goin there.


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Didn't he draft paulsen? If so that was a solid pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;958058]Didn't he draft paulsen? If so that was a solid pick.[/quote]

He was undrafted

[QUOTE=Mattyk;958060]He was undrafted[/QUOTE]

Ah well didn't Mike sign him?

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And do what, start over AGAIN?

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[quote=Mattyk;958055]Sign me up for the moron parade too[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;958061]Ah well didn't Mike sign him?[/quote]

He did

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[quote=Mattyk;958055]Sign me up for the moron parade too[/quote]

There's probably more morons here than non-morons. (I'm one too)

I understand the anxiety though. I just don't think anyone could do better with what we have right now.

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[quote=Paintrain;958062]And do what, start over AGAIN?[/quote]

Yes. According to the guide of overreacting, we are currently entering the cycle where win or lose we need to be debating whether to fire our head coach on the spot for not turning this team into an elite competitor by the third year of his regime. Once this average season plays out it will reach a fevered pitch, where it will continue until he gets fired and then the cycle starts over. Wash, rinse, repeat.

/yes I'm on the moron brigade.

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Funny, during the offseason most of the complaints are "we need continuity, don't fire the coach every couple of years". Then RGIII gives us hope because he's the truth so we automatically think we're bonafide contenders. Next reality hits when we face a team who is clearly superior, and on their home turf where they have an actual advantage. Now we need to blow the entire thing up and start over again because the coaching staff/front office can't get it done. Does anyone remember the team this staff inherited from Vin-Zorn-ity? Come on man, this isn't an overnight fix...it's a process that requires patience. We're a season of development for our young guys and at least an offseason away from playoff contention. Shanny clearly understands this (thus the 5 year plan). For those who think his drafts haven't been productive, I ask you to compare his draft results to the 15 years previous to him.

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[quote=punch it in;958039]I happen to agree with the mid season crap [B]but nobody wants to admit that the receivers that cant catch[/B] and the D that absolutely stinks is on Shanny. - he drafted and architected this team? I mean I really started to buy into the - we need a couple good secondary players and we are gonna be world beaters but the bottom line is we need
WR's - moss is gone , morgan is ehh , Robinson and Hank are totally up in the air and Garcon is hurt and who knows with that injury?
RT and O- line depth -
Defensive depth across the board
Punter
That is alot of needs still before we can play with the big boys.
Im not sure with the cap hit and lack of first round picks that is going to be possible over a two year period?


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Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;958052]2010 draft was missing a lot of picks and they got a couple good players. Last year was Kerrigan, Helu, royster, hank, and we will see how Jenkins turns out. This year was pretty good of course. Go back to drafts before he arrived, there is literally nothing except Rak.[/QUOTE]

Not denying it is better than the past. Christ drafting someone is better than drafting no one. Helu and Royster - jury out i guess. Dont think either will ever make their mark. Dont really care at the moment cus Morris is a beast. Im a U guy so I love Hank - thought he was a steal when we got him - maybe not though. Not a big fan of trading back over and over - id rather have one guy that can contribute than three that cant. Jenkins was injured but his best moments were pre-season number one by far.


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[quote=Mattyk;958070]Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.[/quote]We have had two incredibly bad games with regard to basic technique on offense. All those turnovers last week. All those drops today. What is going on?

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[quote=HailGreen28;958073]We have had two incredibly bad games with regard to basic technique on offense. All those turnovers last week. All those drops today. What is going on?[/quote]

Got the turnover problem fixed today at least lol

[QUOTE=SkinzzFan;958069]Funny, during the offseason most of the complaints are "we need continuity, don't fire the coach every couple of years". Then RGIII gives us hope because he's the truth so we automatically think we're bonafide contenders. Next reality hits when we face a team who is clearly superior, and on their home turf where they have an actual advantage. Now we need to blow the entire thing up and start over again because the coaching staff/front office can't get it done. Does anyone remember the team this staff inherited from Vin-Zorn-ity? Come on man, this isn't an overnight fix...it's a process that requires patience. We're a season of development for our young guys and at least an offseason away from playoff contention. Shanny clearly understands this (thus the 5 year plan). For those who think his drafts haven't been productive, I ask you to compare his draft results to the 15 years previous to him.[/QUOTE]

If i compare his drafts to years gone by ( outside of RG-3 - even Vinny couldnt have missed on that - rite?) i see alot of quanity and a little quality. In the past we had zero quanity and a little quality. Samuels, lavar, cooley, rak, jansen, etc. We would fill our team with veterans, now we fill them with young guys - but i think alot are misses. There has to be a happy medium between quality and quantity.


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[QUOTE=Mattyk;958070]Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. What about the rest?


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[QUOTE=Mattyk;958070]Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. The rest is on Shanny too.


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[quote=punch it in;958079]Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. What about the rest?


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I didn't draw any conclusions about the rest of your post, I just took issue with that one point.

[QUOTE=Bushead;958057]I think Shanahan should have until the end of next year before these questions start happening.[/QUOTE]

Its more contoversial this way. :)


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[quote=punch it in;958081]Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. The rest is on Shanny too.


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"What we need" as far as players go is subjective to the opinion of every fan, whereas you can pretty much say that 6 drops in 7 games is the opposite of "wr's who can't catch." Hence why it was pretty easy to target that line of your post. If he hadn't called you on it, I probably would've. We had 10 drops in one game today, whereas we had 6 (give or take) in our previous 7 games. That's not indicative of wide receivers that can't catch.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;958082]I didn't draw any conclusions about the rest of your post, I just took issue with that one point.[/QUOTE]

Ok well the receivers are one part of what i feel to be the glaring needs here. I shouldnt have mentioned the drops - more just the lack of productivity. I think Moss is probably done after this year because of his age. Robinson and Hank are total question marks. If God forbid Garcons injury is one that follows him ( not claiming to be a doctor just sayin its possible). That leaves us with very little fire power in that department.
Edit : @ Mooby - totally rite. I know drops arent an issue ( ironically i was the one arguing last week against Miss being a career dropaholic and Hank - well he might be one) but the ability to get open would have been a better choice of words.

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[quote=punch it in;958088]Ok well the receivers are one part of what i feel to be the glaring needs here. I shouldnt have mentioned the drops - more just the lack of productivity. I think Moss is probably done after this year because of his age. Robinson and Hank are total question marks. If God forbid Garcons injury is one that follows him ( not claiming to be a doctor just sayin its possible). That leaves us with very little fire power in that department.


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Before today were you thinking the WRs were a "glaring need"?

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[quote=Mattyk;958089]Before today were you thinking the WRs were a "glaring need"?[/quote]

Most likely the glaring need was a win in Pittsburgh over WRs.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;958089]Before today were you thinking the WRs were a "glaring need"?[/QUOTE]

Before today i didnt care because we were scoring. So i took the who cares how it gets done as long as it gets done approach. But im talking about next year - probably without Moss. Leaves us with Robinson, Morgan, and Hank. Garcon im fine with if he is healthy. Are you totally comfortable with that group?


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[quote=Mattyk;958074]Got the turnover problem fixed today at least lol[/quote]

Lmao! You're not a politician by any chance are you Matty?

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[quote=Mattyk;958074]Got the turnover problem fixed today at least lol[/quote]Agreed, lol. Hope it isn't something else next Sunday.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958045]There is plenty of room to criticize underachieving players after today. This thread could have easily been "should DeAngelo Hall still be employed by the Redskins", but in the big picture, that's irrelevant. Hall will be playing in the NFL for someone next year. That team will not be winning.

Shanahan may very well be on television next year.[/quote]

So what do you suggest the redskins do if they fire Shannahan? With a salary cap hit, what do you expect? Don't you think we would have signed Grubbs and Finnegan if they didn't have the salary cap hit? Skins have it and Shannahan seems to be working with what he has. I give him until next season. RG III buys him some more time I think.

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[quote=GTripp0012;957872]Poll please.

It's pretty much a daily argument whether or not the Redskins were smart to hire Mike Shanahan to be head coach. This question has [B]nothing[/B] to do with that. He is the Redskins coach.

Should he be the coach after the bye week? After the season? I think I'm still in wait-and-see mode, but it's been a long time since I've been able to envision a future Redskins team winning under Mike Shanahan. At this point, it sure seems like the Redskins will just be playing out the string, particularly if the Giants hold on today.

A word of warning/advice: obviously this loss seems worse today (Sunday) than it will in the middle of the week. It's totally reasonable to want to change your vote given some time to cool off. I think that's a given, actually.

I generally (and specifically, in this case) do not support mid-season coach firings.[/quote]

Yeah Snyder fires him at midseason. Are you thinking before typing this?

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[quote=HailGreen28;958095]Agreed, lol. Hope it isn't something else next Sunday.[/quote]

Probably penalties I'm guessing, or maybe it's time for Forbath to go 0/4

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[quote=punch it in;958093]Before today i didnt care because we were scoring. So i took the who cares how it gets done as long as it gets done approach. But im talking about next year - probably without Moss. Leaves us with Robinson, Morgan, and Hank. Garcon im fine with if he is healthy. Are you totally comfortable with that group?


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Assuming Davis comes back 100%, yeah I can live with our receivers as they are now.

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[quote=punch it in;958088]Ok well the receivers are one part of what i feel to be the glaring needs here. I shouldnt have mentioned the drops - more just the lack of productivity. [/quote]


Do you realize where our offense ranks? Not sure how you can talk about lack of productivity. Today was apparently a off day for all of our WRs. Probably why Kyle ended up running a screen for Paulsen. He was the best out there today.

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[quote=Mattyk;958098]Probably penalties I'm guessing, or maybe it's time for Forbath to go 0/4[/quote]Just our luck. lol.

I think we'll put it back together, just not sure about next week. Seems like lately we lose most games that we should win.