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[quote=Paintrain;411553]Logic and common sense in the face of chaos and anarchy? Puh-leeze..[/quote]


That is going to be my next sig if I can use it

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[quote=SmootSmack;411551]A lot of coaches were going to be leaving regardless...but y'all don't want to hear that anyway.[/quote]

How do you know? What if Snyder gave the job to Williams? Was he going to fire the whole offensive staff? I doubt it.

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I know the Ravens went back to a 3-4 this season but if we get Rex Ryan will we switch to a 3-4 defense.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;411697]I know the Ravens went back to a 3-4 this season but if we get Rex Ryan will we switch to a 3-4 defense.[/quote]

We don't have 3-4 personel. Bad move. Real bad move.

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Synder is what happens when a fan controls an NFL team (as opposed to someone who REALLY knows the game.)

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If we are searching for a silver lining in this turnover of staff do you all think that if we were to hire Ryan do you think that gives us an inside track to get Terrell Suggs? This would obviously help the conversion to a 3-4 scheme and could be a reality if the Ravens defensive players love playing for him sooo much as previously indicated. Of course he seems like he will be looking for a big payday but if we give up a lower round pick to get Ryan and then sign Suggs for a reasonable contract would that be worth it?

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SNYDER does not get my vote! I am dissappointed.....

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[QUOTE=Wanga Skins;411702]If we are searching for a silver lining in this turnover of staff do you all think that if we were to hire Ryan [B]do you think that gives us an inside track to get Terrell Suggs?[/B] This would obviously help the conversion to a 3-4 scheme and could be a reality if the Ravens defensive players love playing for him sooo much as previously indicated. Of course he seems like he will be looking for a big payday but if we give up a lower round pick to get Ryan and then sign Suggs for a reasonable contract would that be worth it?[/QUOTE]

We are currently 20 million over the cap, so it will not matter if we have an inside track if we cant pay the guy.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;411694]That is going to be my next sig if I can use it[/QUOTE]
Feel free!

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Would be easier to trade D coaches with Fisher and make himhappy like when Williams took them to super bowl

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;411698]We don't have 3-4 personel. Bad move. Real bad move.[/QUOTE]

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Someone please...Kill me now. I REALLY dont wanna see this happen. The Redskins could become the new '07 Dolphins next year if this all goes the way I think it will. Everything good that we've built through schemes and coaching and the consistency (what little bit we've had!) will be destoyed. Why? Because Danny plays too much F-ing Franchise Mode on Madden, that's why.

God save us all. I would rather die of a heartattack than watch my Skins flounder like fish outta water next year.

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The Post is putting this out as pretty much a sure thing (see [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012302806.html]washingtonpost.com[/url])
Well friends, this goes to show that JG has nothing to do with this organization now and no input in the process. Would he ever have suggested: "go ahead, blow up all of my work over the last few weeks"? I have a hard time believing that. Someone please educate me.

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[quote=redwagonskins;411720]The Post is putting this out as pretty much a sure thing (see [url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url])
[B] Well friends, this goes to show that JG has nothing to do with this organization now and no input in the process[/B]. Would he ever have suggested: "go ahead, blow up all of my work over the last few weeks"? I have a hard time believing that. Someone please educate me.[/quote]

Exactly.

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So long as no draft pick compensation exchanges hands for Rex Ryan then I can live with these moves. I must say, however, that I rather like the suggestion in JLC's latest blog whereby Ryan would stay in B'More, Jim Schwartz would come to DC as DC, and Gregg Williams would go back to Tennessee and work with Jeff Fischer. Probably not going to happen, but it would just put a real 'A-Team' kind of ending on this whole deal (and I really like Jim Schwartz for some reason ... plus he's an Econ major from Georgetown, come on, what's not to love). In a strange way, bringing Schwartz in would also give a measure of continuity since he came up under Gregg in Nashville.

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Smootsmack:

Be sure you are sitting down and have a glass of water nearby. I'm going to say something nice about Danny Boy.

While I do not think Jim Fassel is on the fast track to have his bust cast for enshrinement at Canton, he's a better than average NFL coach. If he comes in and blows up that 20-man coaching staff that was out there last year, he'd almost have to improve the situation. There were way too many coaches with way too many "areas of authorith" and way too many "lines of command". Some of the coaches held their jobs only because they traced their coaching lineage back to "Gibbs First Era". Keep an eye open to see just how many of those guys get multiple offers from the other NFL teams such that they can bid up their new contracts. With Gibbs here, even Danny Boy couldn't clean out that mess without indicating clearly that his boyhood idol had really screwed the pooch here.

Gregg Williams is a better than average defensive coordinator. His track record as a head coach is not good at all; he lost about two games for every game he won. He did not finish out his contract; the Bills let him walk and take money with him. Maybe some day he'll be a head coach and succeed; maybe he's one of those guys who is a really good ccordinator and not a good head coach. Should Danny Boy take a chance? Why? He has other options.

Jim Zorn was a successful coach in Seattle and was a damned good QB in his own right in the NFL. I don't see where losing Al Saunders is such a big deal. If a guy has a 700-page playbook and can't teach it to players a bit at a time so that they have a cohesive offense while they are learning the whole package, then he's not such a great teacher. Danny Boy saw a chance to get someone here who has had offensive coaching experience AND offensive playing experience and it looks as if he's going to land him. Unless Jim Zorn is a complete dolt and/or a psycho who can't get along with anyone here, this is a very reasoned move.

About all those players who "endorsed" Gregg Williams... That's called "front-running". He was the leader in the race and they all decided it would be a good idea to make nice with the guy who looked as if he would be the big boss next year. Listen to those same players if any other coach is named as the HC. They won't say the new guy is a dumb-ass and or that they don't know how the team can possibly win more than 3 games next year; they'll say they are ready to bust their ass for the new guy. These players may not be MENSA members, but they do know who makes the decisions as to whether or not they stay on this team.

Danny Boy dragged this whole thing out and got lots of publicity while doing it. If the final line-up is Fassel and Zorn and "someone else", that deal could have been done a week ago. Neither Fassel nor Zorn has been jetting all over the country juggling 20 different interviews for jobs. I've said that Danny Boy would want this coaching search to provide him with face time on TV and publicity; he made that happen. And in the end, he made a couple of reasonable decisions. How they work out will depend just as much on his decision to give Vinnie C. an unfettered hand in the football operations world as it does on the coaching staff.

Oh, and by the way, when Richie Kotite was hired by the Eagles it was an internal promotion. When he was hired by the Jets, he was an outsider.