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[quote=GMScud;573140]Seriously. I feel badly for anyone who spends their time on an opposing team's site tirelessly defending their team/players to a mass of fans who can't stand them. Talk about running up hill on a treadmill. I wouldn't be caught dead on a Cowboys/Giants/Eagles board trying to convince a bunch of people who hate the Redskins that our players are good. Talk about wasted energy.[/quote]

I actually like several of the guy's who come to this site as they give an outside opinion. Its when they talk down to Skins or Members that I start to have a problem with them. When I say talk down I don't mean it in a sense if they say something like "It looks like JC holds on to the ball a little to long" its more when they talk down to people like they are better.

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[quote=coggs;573055]Now, this is an intelligent and fair assessment. Mattyk, this site could use an "[B]honors forum[/B]" where people such as [B]myself[/B], Ruskins, dmek,[B] and the other intelligent people[/B] can hang out to discuss football. Anyways, I wanted them to go after Edwards or Boldin, as well. Even with Edwards dropped balls, a DC still has to account for him and respect him lilke they did for Burress. Opens up the rest of the offense. However, the Giants believe Hixon and Smith are ready to take over. Boldin, I don't think Arizona really wanted to trade him. I think it was a bunch of posturing and their demands were ridiculous. Similar to the Blue Jays and Roy Halladay. Losing Ward is not going to be as big as it seems. Bradshaw was a huge part of the running game in 2007, but was not used much in the offense in 2008. He'll be able to step in. They also have Danny Ware who would be a #2 on most teams ready to compete for the #3 spot if they decide to go with the 3-headed monster attack.

Last year, it wasn't just the loss of Burress. The DLine was also banged up. In 2007, and the first 10-11 games of 2008 they had a rotation of dlinemen to keep everyone fresh. That is why they added Canty, and Bernard, and with getting Umenyiora back, they are stacked again. A DE rotation of Umenyiora, Tuck, Tollefson, Kiwanuka, Canty and a DT rotation of Canty, Alford, Robbins, Bernard, Tollefson will give opposing OLinemen problems.[/quote]

That's quite an assumption thinking you would be allowed into such a forum. Maybe if you weren't so arrogant you would be better received here.

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I actually heard rumors that the Giant players tried to get frisky with other players while at the bottom of a big pile up. At first I did not think it was true but maybe the story has legs. I also heard that the coaches have restricted players from picking up the soap while taking a shower.

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[quote=firstdown;573160]I actually like several of the guy's who come to this site as they give an outside opinion. Its when they talk down to Skins or Members that I start to have a problem with them. When I say talk down I don't mean it in a sense if they say something like "It looks like JC holds on to the ball a little to long" its more when they talk down to people like they are better.[/quote]

I agree. I often enjoy Giantone's or sandtrapjack's banter. Coggs, on the the other hand, seems like just a jerk who does not know as much as he thinks he does.

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I love the abuse of coggs but The Giants won the Super Bowl a few years ago. They beat one of the best teams of all time in that game. Their defense held down the best offense of all time. That team the Giants beat happened to beat the living shit out of us fifty something to 7.... and that game sent our fan base in an up roar cause Belichick didn't call off the dogs. The Giants have been better than us the last few years. We really shouldn't be talking too much smack.

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[quote=skinsfan69;573195]I love the abuse of coggs but The Giants won the Super Bowl a few years ago. They beat one of the best teams of all time in that game. Their defense held down the best offense of all time. That team the Giants beat happened to beat the living shit out of us fifty something to 7.... and that game sent our fan base in an up roar cause Belichick didn't call off the dogs. The Giants have been better than us the last few years. We realy shouldn't be talking too much smack.[/quote]

This is our house, we can talk smack all we want especially to fans of division rivals. C'mon dog get with the program!

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[quote=Mattyk72;573196]This is our house, we can talk smack all we want especially to fans of division rivals. C'mon dog get with the program![/quote]

I'm with the program. But I'm going to leave NYG fans alone. I don't know about any of you but I'm a little nervous about what their d-line is going to do to our O-line in that first game. They've got Osi back too?

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They should be nervous about our d-line too.

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[quote=Mattyk72;573196]This is our house, we can talk smack all we want especially to fans of division rivals. C'mon dog get with the program![/quote]

Hell Yayah! I agree with what you said about their SB year skinsfan69. And for the first time in my life I was pulling for them. But if a rival wants to come on here and talk smack and expect us to lay down about it....it ain't happening.

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[quote=wilsowilso;573124]I have to give credit where credit is due.

This is the jerk-off post of the week and it's only Thursday. Well done!

It's just fascinating to read that a Giants fan regards themselves with such a great sense of self-worth. You are so very intelligent.

When you look in the mirror does your head look abnormally large?

I'm not talking about how big it looks when you are wearing that Giants helmet that you have under your bed.

You know the one that you bought just to feel the sensation of actually putting a football helmet on for the first time in your life.[/quote]
I played football for a year in college. D1AA which I am sure is higher than you ever got.

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[quote=53Fan;573209]Hell Yayah! I agree with what you said about their SB year skinsfan69. And for the first time in my life I was pulling for them. But if a rival wants to come on here and talk smack and expect us to lay down about it....it ain't happening.[/quote]

I simply stated what is known to everyone but the people on this site, that Eli was better than Jason Campbell.

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[quote=coggs;573214]I simply stated what is known to everyone but the people on this site, that Eli was better than Jason Campbell.[/quote]

wow, that's not at all what you simply stated, you may want to go back and re-read the thread.

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[quote=skinsfan69;573195]I love the abuse of coggs[/quote]abuse? Nah. A bunch of delusional redskin fans who think their team has a chance this year. Keep drinking Dannyboy's Kool Aid. Besides, all this talk out of them will make it that much sweeter when the Giants beat the Skins twice this year, AGAIN.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;573215]wow, that's not at all what you simply stated, you may want to go back and re-read the thread.[/quote]
It started as that, and it went from there.

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[quote=coggs;573216]abuse? Nah. A bunch of delusional redskin fans who think their team has a chance this year. Keep drinking Dannyboy's Kool Aid. Besides, all this talk out of them will make it that much sweeter when the Giants beat the Skins twice this year, AGAIN.[/quote]

I will change my avatar to a Giants helmet for a week if we don't beat you in New York. We are going to bring the pain.

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[quote=coggs;573217]It started as that, and it went from there. [/quote]

Actually, best I could find this was your first post in this thread. Seems your memory might be a tad foggy, not good when you constantly live in the past.

[quote=coggs;572946]Then I can only imagine how bad the Giants D Line will make them look at the opener. Tuck, Osi, Kiwanuka, Cofield, Robbins, Canty, must have woodies thinking about tee-ing off on Campbell. Even this rookie pass rush specialist OLB, Clint Sintim is probably aroused.[/quote]

Edit: And what's sad is we were having a very good discussion in house of our O-Line/D-Line groups, and you came in making a pis ant comment about your guys being horny, and complain that we aren't keeping up an honest in depth conversation. Now put it back in your pants, and let's let the proof be on the field.

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in the Eli thread.

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but, this isn't the Eli thread. or you don't understand the concept of threaded discussions?

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[quote=coggs;573211]I played football for a year in college. [B]D1AA which I am sure is higher than you ever got.[/B][/quote]

Wilsowilso critiqued you for being an arrogant jerk. Good thing you proved him wrong, huh? :doh:

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[quote=coggs;573214]I simply stated what is known to everyone but the people on this site, that Eli was better than Jason Campbell.[/quote]

Just because you say it coggs, doesn't make it so. He won a SB with a team that had a fantastic defense at the time. If that is what you are basing all this on....please. I guess that makes him better than Drew Brees and a whole lot of other QB's. OK, you say he didn't win it but he played well enough. Well IMO Campbell would have played well enough with that team to get a win also. Basically Trent Dilfer showed it could be done with a great defense and a so-so QB. Eli is not so much superior to JC as you would have everyone believe. You have a right to your opinion but you think your opinion is the holy truth and everyone elses opinion is wrong. Did you pick the Giants to win the SB last year? Probably, dynasty remember? Did you pick Arizona to go to the SB before the season even started? I doubt it. But you come on a Redskin site and say we're not even in the running. It's a 3 team race and we're not included. I'd say you're the one who's not too bright partner. Have fun in the "Honors" forum, like you'd have a snowballs chance in hell of getting in.

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[quote=53Fan;573246]Just because you say it coggs, doesn't make it so. He won a SB with a team that had a fantastic defense at the time. If that is what you are basing all this on....please. I guess that makes him better than Drew Brees and a whole lot of other QB's. OK, you say he didn't win it but he played well enough. Well IMO Campbell would have played well enough with that team to get a win also. Basically Trent Dilfer showed it could be done with a great defense and a so-so QB. Eli is not so much superior to JC as you would have everyone believe. You have a right to your opinion but you think your opinion is the holy truth and everyone elses opinion is wrong. Did you pick the Giants to win the SB last year? Probably, dynasty remember? Did you pick Arizona to go to the SB before the season even started? I doubt it. But you come on a Redskin site and say we're not even in the running. It's a 3 team race and we're not included. I'd say you're the one who's not too bright partner. Have fun in the "Honors" forum, like you'd have a snowballs chance in hell of getting in.[/quote]

You make some good points here 53fan, but one thing you have to admit is that Eli's ON switch got turned on in the playoffs. In the regular season of that year he threw 23 TD's and 20 Int's. In the four playoff games he was in, he threw 10 TD's and only 2 Int's. Yes he had a fantastic defense, and a great running game, along with a tall physical WR, and a dependable WR. But when it mattered the most, he performed like a pro. And until Jason wins a ring, I'm still going to put/take any QB with a ring, over Jason.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;573261]You make some good points here 53fan, but one thing you have to admit is that Eli's ON switch got turned on in the playoffs. In the regular season of that year he threw 23 TD's and 20 Int's. In the four playoff games he was in, he threw 10 TD's and only 2 Int's. [B]Yes he had a fantastic defense, and a great running game, along with a tall physical WR, and a dependable WR.[/B] But when it mattered the most, he performed like a pro. And until Jason wins a ring, I'm still going to put/take any QB with a ring, over Jason.[/quote]

Great. How'd he do last year? I wish JC could say the same thing in regards to the bold print. Kinda important don't you think? Maybe he'll have that this year. We'll see. If JC was fortunate enough to throw 20 INT's and still make the playoffs, maybe his light would be turned on too. Unfortunately, to this point he hasn't been on a team good enough to overcome that sort of QB play. Eli has.

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[quote=coggs;573214]I simply stated what is known to everyone but the people on this site, that Eli was better than Jason Campbell.[/quote]

coggs eli is better cause he played his best ball when it mattered most. i'll give him that. but it will be very interesting to see how he performs with the wr's he has this year. no plax, toomer or shockey. is he going to be good enough to carry the offense with some unproven, average to below average wr's? i personally don't think so. he's just not that type of qb. i think your passing game is going to really struggle. the defense is going to have to carry you guys imo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;573328]coggs eli is better cause he played his best ball when it mattered most. i'll give him that. but it will be very interesting to see how he performs with the wr's he has this year. no plax, toomer or shockey. is he going to be good enough to carry the offense with some unproven, average to below average wr's? i personally don't think so. he's just not that type of qb. i think your passing game is going to really struggle. the defense is going to have to carry you guys imo.[/quote]


He has decided to ignore that argument completely. He has also never acknowledged that Philly kicked the shit out of the Giants in their backyard. Typical New Yorker... They are all mad that we are in the Most Powerful City in the World and that we tell them how things work.

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Back to the whole topic of Heyer's injury, which appears to not be serious, for those who want Runyan

[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090807_Injuries_plague_Eagles__Andrews_brothers.html]Injuries plague Eagles' Andrews brothers | Philadelphia Inquirer | 08/07/2009[/url]

Asked if the team was considering other options such as bringing in tackle Jon Runyan, the source said that was not likely considering the former Eagle's health.

Earlier this week, Runyan told WIP-AM (610) that his surgeon, James Andrews, has not permitted him to run on his reconstructed right knee. Runyan said he has an appointment with the surgeon soon, and if cleared, he will begin rehabilitation in the hopes of returning to an NFL team. Runyan, 35, said that he has been contacted by several teams, but that the Eagles remain his first choice.

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I think the Redskins will end up bringing in a couple of guy to shore up their O-line. Otherwise they won't make it through the season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;573505]Back to the whole topic of Heyer's injury, which appears to not be serious, for those who want Runyan

[URL="http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090807_Injuries_plague_Eagles__Andrews_brothers.html"]Injuries plague Eagles' Andrews brothers | Philadelphia Inquirer | 08/07/2009[/URL]

Asked if the team was considering other options such as bringing in tackle Jon Runyan, the source said that was not likely considering the former Eagle's health.

Earlier this week, Runyan told WIP-AM (610) that his surgeon, James Andrews, has not permitted him to run on his reconstructed right knee. Runyan said he has an appointment with the surgeon soon, and if cleared, he will begin rehabilitation in the hopes of returning to an NFL team. Runyan, 35, said that he has been contacted by several teams, but that the Eagles remain his first choice.[/quote]

bringing in a 35 year old with a bad knee is not the way to go. but he's probably better than any of the guys we currently have as back ups.

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our next draft had better be all o-linemen. this is going to be a real problem this year.

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[quote=JLee9718;574838]I think the Redskins will end up bringing in a couple of guy to shore up their O-line. Otherwise they won't make it through the season.[/quote]

I mentioned in the Joel Segal (agent for several skins) thread that maybe he was visiting Vinny to talk about an O lineman client. Heyer seems a bit injury prone & even if healthy I'm not sure he could start on many teams.

If things look bad late in camp they'll at least look into making a move.

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[quote=skinsfan69;574841]our next draft had better be all o-linemen. this is going to be a real problem this year.[/quote]

yeah, I would think the over/under on o linemen in our next draft would be 5.

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[quote=skinsfan69;574840]bringing in a 35 year old with a bad knee is not the way to go. but he's probably better than any of the guys we currently have as back ups.[/quote]

Once I heard the iggles might be looking to bring runyan back, I immediately thought of Jansen getting cut by detroit & back in b&g. Would be cool if he could come back as a reserve. vet min. of course!

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[quote=skinsfan69;574841]our next draft had better be all o-linemen. this is going to be a real problem this year.[/quote]

You had better stock up on some good booze for draft day.

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[quote=freddyg12;574847]Once I heard the iggles might be looking to bring runyan back, I immediately thought of Jansen getting cut by detroit & back in b&g. Would be cool if he could come back as a reserve. vet min. of course![/quote]

If Jansen gets cut by Det then we need to stay far away from him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;574855]If Jansen gets cut by Det then we need to stay far away from him.[/quote]

He's supposedly competing w/Gosder Cherilious (sp?), a 2nd round pick I believe, for the RT spot but I think they've got some other young guys on the roster too. I get what you're saying but sad as it sounds, Detroit might have more depth at OT than we do.

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[quote=53Fan;573291]Great. How'd he do last year? I wish JC could say the same thing in regards to the bold print. Kinda important don't you think? Maybe he'll have that this year. We'll see. If JC was fortunate enough to throw 20 INT's and still make the playoffs, maybe his light would be turned on too. Unfortunately, to this point he hasn't been on a team good enough to overcome that sort of QB play. Eli has.[/quote]

Well, I think that right now Campbell has the first two, maybe the first three things I mentioned in my earlier quote, in bold, but it's the the WR part of what Eli had which Jason didn't/doesn't.

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I still say we bring in Levi Jones, or see whose on the trading block for other teams, like the Colts Tony Ugoh

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If our backups fail, and Levi gets past having to start, I think we will bring him in. But the light grows dimmer. On the other hand I really wonder why Levi hasn't signed on with anyone. It seems enough of camp has gone by that he would be getting anxious to be on a team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;574878]If our backups fail, and Levi gets past having to start, I think we will bring him in. But the light grows dimmer. [B] On the other hand I really wonder why Levi hasn't signed on with anyone. [/B] It seems enough of camp has gone by that he would be getting anxious to be on a team.[/quote]

Probably because he wants a starting job and starting money. The market just isn't there right now.

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My conspiracy theory for Levi. The Redskins told his agent he would get paid starter money if one of two things happens. A) Samuels gets hurt in camp, or B) Williams washes out early. That is why Zorn is pushing Williams into this game. If he can't hold on, he gets cut Levi gets signed, and there is much rejoicing! (not about Williams getting cut as much as Levi getting signed.)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;574881]My conspiracy theory for Levi. The Redskins told his agent he would get paid starter money if one of two things happens. A) Samuels gets hurt in camp, or B) Williams washes out early. That is why Zorn is pushing Williams into this game. If he can't hold on, he gets cut Levi gets signed, and there is much rejoicing! (not about Williams getting cut as much as Levi getting signed.)[/quote]

What would Williams have to do with it? Heyer is still penciled in as the starter.