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[quote=SmittyD58;1286517]One important fact that we do not hear enough about anywhere is that those of us who have previously had COVID now have natural immunity, as a result. The science tells us that this group does not need the vaccine. Vaccines are/were meant to replicate the effect of the actual infection as to creating antibodies and immunity.


I wonder how many unvaccinated players have already had COVID? This statistic should also be tracked and considered.[/quote]

Matt Ioannidis tested positive again after having it last year, Lamar Jackson too. Science is now saying if you've had covid before, you should still get the vax. The prior exposure doesn't seem to offer a very long term immunity as far as we know right now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286519]Of course the NYT headline this morning as well as this Wa Post article is about as misleading and trash as ever. Cdc says it will make public the so called research today…which is convenient for a Friday news dump.

Another great example of terrible messaging by the administration pushed by “so called credibile” news org.

Does everyone see how this works? And why we have this predicament? JFC. This feeds the doubts about the vaccine[/quote]

Both papers are using reports via CDC. Nevertheless, we obviously are on different fronts, so let's move on.

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[quote=MTK;1286521]Matt Ioannidis tested positive again after having it last year, Lamar Jackson too. Science is now saying if you've had covid before, you should still get the vax. The prior exposure doesn't seem to offer a very long term immunity as far as we know right now.[/quote]

Prior exposure and immunity depends on the person based on reports I've read. There's people who may have an immunity for several days where others could have it for decades.

Ioan Man and Jackson may not have any symptoms or little at all, but carriers. Remind you, there are people who has had it prior to vaccination and has been reinfected months later (after vaccination).

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[quote=MTK;1286521]Matt Ioannidis tested positive again after having it last year, Lamar Jackson too. Science is now saying if you've had covid before, you should still get the vax. The prior exposure doesn't seem to offer a very long term immunity as far as we know right now.[/quote]

My sister got COVID and she still had to get the vaccine. She had to wait two months after getting COVID, but they told her that she needed it regardless. I'm thankful she was able to pull through, but had a miserable time while she had it.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286455]I do agree that ultimately people are making decisions based on their own risk assessment. Some are getting the vaccine because the risks associated with contracting the disease significantly outweigh the risks of any side effects from the vaccine. While others think the opposite - the risks of side effects, or [B]unknown future/long term effects[/B] from the vaccine outweigh the risks associated with contracting the disease.[/quote]

This was my reason for getting the vaccine. The longitudinal effects of the virus are also unknown. Most bugs that are health issues but not acutely fatal have significant long term consequences. To me the science is a no brainer, in the history of viruses the cures are not worse than the diseases. If I am going to have longitudinal effects it will be from something we will been mastering over a hundred years and not a bug in an evolutionary battle in my body. I get hesitancy especially the way it roled out, people choosing anecdotal stories as evidence (it is akin to a fear of flying because of a few bad flights or even knowing someone that died in a plane crash). If people need time that is cool I just hope they make sure they protect others by taking precautions as necessary.

In regards to the thread topic. Lamar Jackson second positive exposure. He was battling side effects for a few months well after contracting it first time.

With WFT I hope players do take precautions around Ron. He might be the best thing to happen to the franchise in a long time in terms of lasting impacts on culture and success. I'd hate for him to feel the juice isn't worth the squeeze and resign.

NFL policy have a zero problems with it (not a fan of the public sector policies). Players have a union they pay reps and if a contract is agreed upon that is your choice to agree to the contract or not play. Anecdotally that happened to my sister in law. She works for a Methodist church they said to keep your job you have to be vaccinated. Told her find a new job but that is where her heart is so she got it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1286497]Kinda the same for the virus isn't it?

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I believe the vaccine can fight the virus enough to not be hospitalized or die from it.

Ain't no vaccine that can prevent me from being t-boned on the way home though.

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WFT did such a great job last year managing through everything I just hope that didn't give the players a false sense of security coming into this year and that's why the vax rate is low.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1286511]I see you often speak in absolutes. I'm not saying you're ignorant, but speaking in absolutes is an ignorant approach.

I hope you are aware that the vaccinated has just as high, if not higher risk, to contract the delta variant. I hope you're also aware that the unvaccinated may OR may not contract the variant.

[B]Keep believing everything being told to you by mainstream media[/B].[/quote]

This interaction is the highest form of comedy I have ever seen on these boards.

It's gold Jerry! Gold!

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[quote=mooby;1286528]This interaction is the highest form of comedy I have ever seen on these boards.

It's gold Jerry! Gold![/quote]

it would be like someone accusing G1 of being pro Trump lol

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I can't wait for Punch, G1 and SD pop on and read Chico defend himself as being labelled a MSM lemming.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1286533]I can't wait for Punch, G1 and SD pop on and read Chico defend himself as being labelled a MSM lemming.[/quote]

Ha. I think I've said all I have to say about COVID and vaccinations. I think everyone knows where I stand.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286535]Ha. I think I've said all I have to say about COVID and vaccinations. I think everyone knows where I stand.

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You know SD, if you ever get tired of being a MSM shill and want to put in some research, you'd actually discover the real truth. Big gov't just wants to inject you with something that will wipe out your immune system and kill you when the next big disease rolls around ([I]this is a literal, actual factual sentence my aunt told me 2 months ago[/I]).

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1286533]I can't wait for Punch, G1 and SD pop on and read Chico defend himself as being labelled a MSM lemming.[/quote]

I was gonna let that post go til Pork put that in at the bottom.

Immediate reaction

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Naw but I just hope everyone makes the right decision for covid for themselves…I think the best way to get the worried folks to the shot is to provide the facts in a clear manor…get that full FDA vac approval completed.

Scare tactics, bad headlines, finger wagging I don’t think is the right way and will only harden people there stances in a deeply polarized environment. I think that WaPost article…the NYT article and headline today, doesn’t help the cause.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286519]Of course the NYT headline this morning as well as this Wa Post article is about as misleading and trash as ever. Cdc says it will make public the so called research today…which is convenient for a Friday news dump.

Another great example of terrible messaging by the administration pushed by “so called credibile” news org.

Does everyone see how this works? And why we have this predicament? JFC. This feeds the doubts about the vaccine[/quote]

I've gone back and read both the NYT and the WaPo articles. What exactly is misleading or non-credible about either of these articles?

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[quote=Coff;1286557]I've gone back and read both the NYT and the WaPo articles. What exactly is misleading or non-credible about either of these articles?[/quote]

For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

[B]Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare[/B], compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286558]For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

[B]Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare[/B], compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.[/quote]

So the Post and the Times were transparently reporting information from the CDC. What ledes are being buried? Again, how are either articles being misleading? They are both clearly and transparently reporting CDC reports and internal discussions. The headlines are consistent with the information in the article.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286558]For the WaPost it’s the paragraph that states

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

And the sub headline from the NYT story has updated from 1 am release to five hours ago:

Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.

Updated around noon To:

[B]Delta variant infections in vaccinated people are rare[/B], compared with those who are unvaccinated, the internal CDC report said. But vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection may spread the virus just as easily.


I wonder with these headlines and buried leads of the effectiveness of the vaccines…if we take a poll of folks if they believe the vaccinated transmit covid just as much as the unvaccinated.[/quote]

If you’re confusing the ease of being infected with the ease of spreading the disease, that’s not the Times or the Post’s fault. By this time people ought to know and understand the difference. The articles are both clear that individuals who are vaccinated are less likely to contract the Delta variant, and that infected individuals spread the Delta virus at the same rate regardless of vaccination status.

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[quote=Coff;1286559]So the Post and the Times were transparently reporting information from the CDC. What ledes are being buried? Again, how are either articles being misleading? They are both clearly and transparently reporting CDC reports and internal discussions. The headlines are consistent with the information in the article.[/quote]

You dismiss updated NYT headline which originally should have been flagged as misinformation by social media companies. That’s irresponsible as well claiming chickenpox transmission rate admittedly without any data to back up. When they post this stuff it decreases the vaccine issue.

I’m not sure if it was in that deck, but there what’s the total break through data that the cdc has like 5,500 total versus how many people vaccinated here? I just see some panic porn, the frame isn’t good.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286501]Pork, and anyone else who hasn’t been vaccinated: You should expect to get this Delta variant. I respect and agree you should have choice and it should always be a choice but the data shows the greatest strength is it’s ability to be spread. The data shows also if your are vaccinated, you have protection against it and if you happen to get it (rare) it will keep you out of the hospital.

But the unvaccinated should expect to get the delta variant, I wouldn’t have said that with the previous covid virus and prior strains.[/quote]

Simple truth!
Players know this by now.
If they fuck up, they fuck up.

It's almost football season, let's kill this topic already!

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Brandon Scherff added to COVID-19 list


[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/washington/2021/07/31/washington-football-team-adds-guard-brandon-scherff-covid-19-list/5442153001/[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286581]Brandon Scherff added to COVID-19 list


[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/washington/2021/07/31/washington-football-team-adds-guard-brandon-scherff-covid-19-list/5442153001/[/url][/quote]

It's his personal choice to risk missing games if this happens during the regular season, we have to respect it.

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[quote=mooby;1286586]It's his personal choice to risk missing games if this happens during the regular season, we have to respect it.[/quote]

Agreed.

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Sorry if this has been asked before but do the players lose their paycheck for any games missed due to COVID?

I know a forfeited game results in loss of game day check for the teams involved.

Is that still the case for individuals if the rest of the team plays?

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If, as the CDC is starting to say, vaccinated people with the delta variant can carry the same viral load as unvaccinated, shouldn't all players at least be tested daily?

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[quote=mooby;1286586]It's his personal choice to risk missing games if this happens during the regular season, we have to respect it.[/quote]

Yeah personal choice, I'm not saying force the vaccine on them, that'd be horrible (and maybe even unconstitutional ?)... but as a fan of the team, I would be really disappointed if some starters miss regular season games because they didn't get the shot...
Like, we Washington fans know how hard it is to keep a team healthy and available, so missed games due to covid rules on top of that would be a real bummer IMO.

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Mike Zimmer slams his quarterback room, unvaccinated Americans after COVID-19 outbreak

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/minnesota-vikings-coach-mike-zimmer-slams-quarterback-room-after-covid19-coronavirus-outbreak-001326820.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=jamf;1286565]Simple truth!
Players know this by now.
If they fuck up, they fuck up.

It's almost football season, let's kill this topic already![/QUOTE]


First we gotta kill the virus but the misinformation folks are makin that damn near impossible.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1286595]Yeah personal choice, I'm not saying force the vaccine on them, that'd be horrible (and maybe even unconstitutional ?)... but as a fan of the team, I would be really disappointed if some starters miss regular season games because they didn't get the shot...
Like, we Washington fans know how hard it is to keep a team healthy and available, so missed games due to covid rules on top of that would be a real bummer IMO.[/quote]

I'mma be real here, don't want to see anyone in here defending personal freedom talking any shit about this team if/when we lose games because we have key players on the COVID list.

We might be losing games but we'll be winning in the personal freedom column.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1286603]I'mma be real here, don't want to see anyone in here defending personal freedom talking any shit about this team if/when we lose games because we have key players on the COVID list.



We might be losing games but we'll be winning in the personal freedom column.[/QUOTE]We now live in the twilight zone

football > personal freedom

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[QUOTE=mooby;1286603]I'mma be real here, don't want to see anyone in here defending personal freedom talking any shit about this team if/when we lose games because we have key players on the COVID list.



We might be losing games but we'll be winning in the personal freedom column.[/QUOTE]Again, not saying the vaccine should be mandatory, I'm with you on personal freedom.
But I can still have an opinion on the matter. And if we lose starters during the regular season, my opinion will be that it's one of the lamest reason to lose starters.

The thing is my stand on the vaccine isn't very strong, I'm not all out "everybody should get vaccinated no questions asked", I have close family members who don't want to get vaccinated and I don't even discuss it with them, cuz I didn't look into it that much and have neither a strong opinion nor a lot of arguments.
All I know is with the NFL rules, which are not perfect, a lot of players not being vaccinated could lead to lost games. Not saying anybody should be forced to have the shot. But I'm gonna be disappointed if my team loses games that way, and if we're being honest we all will, won't we ?
Nobody is gonna be glad if Chase, Scherff and Terry are out on Covid list during the season...

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Never thought I'd see the day when Americans would value winning NFL football games over personal freedoms. I don't know if this is the twilight zone, but it is a bit scary nonetheless.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1286607]We now live in the twilight zone

football > personal freedom

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Are we not here because we're all diehards of our favorite team? I'm just saying - don't wanna hear no shit about losing games because personal freedom is obviously more important than winning games. Let me get you a head start on lines you can say.

"Well, we lost the game - but we're winning the war on government control of our freedom!"

"I'm happy to take this L knowing Montez Sweat wasn't forced to take some experimental non-approved drug like this is Nazi Germany or something."

"Over 2 billion idiots fell for this "vaccine is safe" nonsense but I'm glad to know the guys on our team weren't falling for it too."

"I'd rather go 0-16 than have a team full of sheep."

Help yourself Cred.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1286607]We now live in the twilight zone

football > personal freedom

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I'd be saying that if I was saying "vaccine should be mandatory" or "Ron should cut anyone not vaccinated"... but I never said that.
I just said I [I]wished[/I] they'd do it... They're allowed to make personal choices and I'm allowed to have an opinion about it.

Like, if you [I]wish[/I] a lot of people vote for the same candidate as you as the next election, it doesn't mean you're against democracy and free elections...

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Anybody know why the FDA takes so long to put a stamp on this ?

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[quote=rocnrik;1286613]Anybody know why the FDA takes so long to put a stamp on this ?[/quote]

It usually takes about a decade to approve a vaccine or new drug. This has actually been very fast. Which is why a lot of people think too fast and not safe.

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Mike Gesicki, Daron Payne latest big names sidelined as NFL's COVID-19 problem grows

[url]https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mike-gesicki-daron-payne-latest-big-names-sidelined-nfls-covid-19-problem-grows/[/url]

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[QUOTE=mooby;1286610]Are we not here because we're all diehards of our favorite team? I'm just saying - don't wanna hear no shit about losing games because personal freedom is obviously more important than winning games. Let me get you a head start on lines you can say.



"Well, we lost the game - but we're winning the war on government control of our freedom!"



"I'm happy to take this L knowing Montez Sweat wasn't forced to take some experimental non-approved drug like this is Nazi Germany or something."



"Over 2 billion idiots fell for this "vaccine is safe" nonsense but I'm glad to know the guys on our team weren't falling for it too."



"I'd rather go 0-16 than have a team full of sheep."



Help yourself Cred.[/QUOTE]Nah, I will pass. Sick of covid, the political high and mighty righteousness of both sides, and the stupidity of the arguments all around. I wish that the damn shit would end but it is going to run its course, including the actions of sheep on all sides.

As for if the team wins or loses, Gibbs won with scabs over the Cowboys in the strike year. I actually believe Rivera has assembled a similar cast. You play the hand your dealt.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1286618]Nah, I will pass. Sick of covid, the political high and mighty righteousness of both sides, and the stupidity of the arguments all around. I wish that the damn shit would end but it is going to run its course, including the actions of sheep on all sides.

As for if the team wins or loses, Gibbs won with scabs over the Cowboys in the strike year. I actually believe Rivera has assembled a similar cast. You play the hand your dealt.

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No doubt the political bullshit on both sides is just flat out exhausting.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1286620]No doubt the political bullshit on both sides is just flat out exhausting.[/quote]

The “both sides” argument is more BS. There’s only one answer here that makes sense, get vaccinated and end this thing. It would/should have been over by now. Stop making this a political football.

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Agree, there's only one side making this political. It's the side that's trying to convince themselves there's actually a good reason to not get vaccinated. aka, the dumbs