Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;606844]The way the current CBA is set up, we can offer him a RFA tender at 120% of his current salary, (which comes to roughly $3 million dollars) and receive compensation for him if he leaves.[/quote]



Wow.

So to keep him in whatever form, we have to give him a 20% raise?

Outta here.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=jgalecpa;606848]Wow.

So to keep him in whatever form, we have to give him a 20% raise?

Outta here.[/quote]Yeah, which raises him to roughly the salary of Rex Grossman or Todd Collins.

This franchise can't afford that kind of change.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;606851]Yeah, which raises him to roughly the salary of Rex Grossman or Todd Collins.

This franchise can't afford that kind of change.[/quote]

No kidding.

Looks like we are in for two more rebuilding years, and we all have seen how JC deals with change.

Sucks being us.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=jgalecpa;606848]Wow.

So to keep him in whatever form, we have to give him a 20% raise?

Outta here.[/quote]

LOL!!! That's not much at all LOL!!!

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

Everybody keeps saying Gibbs is great and he could straighten out this mess that he and Vinny put the Redskins in...Nobody is going to win with this offensive line, and that's a fact! Bring on Pete Kendall. And anybody else out there that is half decent at blocking so JC will at least have a chance to throw the ball to somebody...

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=hooskins;606775]Are you taking about the players or the offensive plays? Sure the run game is quite similar, but it worked a hell of a lot better with Gibbs. [SIZE=4]Also minus the two-timeout botch, Gibbs did a pretty good job in management. [/SIZE]

Also he kept a team together, after a couple terrible starts; I highly doubt Zorn has that ability. If we lose next week the players are going to start giving up on him. We can already see the impacts of the lack of discipline both at Skins park and during games.

Yeah Gibbs player eval did have some flaws, but he got Cooley, Landry, Sean Taylor. I put a decent amount of blame on the FO this year, but Gibbs 2.0 owns Zorn any day IMO.[/quote]
Are you talking clock management? If so I think you forgot about all the times Gibbs was on the side lines looking like he had no clue what to do and all the post here saying the games has passed him by. I love Gibbs but the game had passed him by.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=JLee9718;606859]Everybody keeps saying Gibbs is great and he could straighten out this mess that he and Vinny put the Redskins in...Nobody is going to win with this offensive line, and that's a fact! Bring on Pete Kendall. And anybody else out there that is half decent at blocking so JC will at least have a chance to throw the ball to somebody...[/quote]

It was kind of bizarre that Mike Williams who has started at T in the NFL played Right Guard for us yesterday, while D'Anthony Batiste, who has started at RG in the NFL played LT for us yesterday. Bizarre...or ass-backwards. However you want to look at it.

I suppose if Rinehart wasn't hurt then Williams would have slid in at RT and Heyer would have shifted to LT. But then again if Rhino wasn't hurt, then Big Mike probably wouldn't have been active.

All that said though, what about Will Montgomery (or Armstrong as the informed fans call him)? Maybe I missed it, but I don't think he was inactive. And I thought the whole reason of not starting him was his versatility. Why didn't he step in at guard, slide Big Mike over to RT where he has started and move Heyer over to LT yesterday when Samuels went down? Heyer is no great shakes at left tackle, but at least he has experience on that side.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;606872]All that said though, what about Will Montgomery (or Armstrong as the informed fans call him)? Maybe I missed it, but I don't think he was inactive. And I thought the whole reason of not starting him was his versatility. Why didn't he step in at guard, slide Big Mike over to RT where he has started and move Heyer over to LT yesterday when Samuels went down? Heyer is no great shakes at left tackle, but at least he has experience on that side.[/quote]He was inactive.

Only Batiste (and maybe Edwin Williams?) was active but not starting yesterday.

It's kind of amazing that whenever Zorn has severely understaffed his OL over the past two years, Samuels has gotten hurt. But then again, that's pretty much all Zorn's fault for not being prepared.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=JLee9718;606859]Everybody keeps saying Gibbs is great and he could straighten out this mess that he and Vinny put the Redskins in...Nobody is going to win with this offensive line, and that's a fact! Bring on Pete Kendall. And anybody else out there that is half decent at blocking so JC will at least have a chance to throw the ball to somebody...[/quote]

I think Gibbs would probably have found a way to straighten out this mess eventually. This team seems to be falling apart more and more as time goes on, instead of better. The problem with Gibbs's recent coaching stint was - his offensive style of game was boring and too predictable.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;606885]He was inactive.

Only Batiste (and maybe Edwin Williams?) was active but not starting yesterday.

It's kind of amazing that whenever Zorn has severely understaffed his OL over the past two years, Samuels has gotten hurt. But then again, that's pretty much all Zorn's fault for not being prepared.[/quote]

Are you sure? I thought Williams was inactive, but not Will Montgomery.

Here's Reid's list

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rinehart-out-mike-williams-in.html]Redskins Insider - Rinehart Out, Mike Williams In (with Inactives)[/url]

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

Gibbs probably could have straightened this out but Gibbs didn't have to deal with constant rumors of being replaced and he had Dannys full support. Now, Gibbs is THE MAN if you ask me, but would it have killed Danny to come out and say that Zorn is his coach and he has his full support? Maybe let the players know that Zorn wasn't going anywhere and they needed to get their ass in gear? I think that would have been a good thing for a young coach that you supposedly had so much confidence in not so long ago.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=warriorzpath;606891]I think Gibbs would probably have found a way to straighten out this mess eventually. This team seems to be falling apart more and more as time goes on, instead of better. The problem with Gibbs's recent coaching stint was - his offensive style of game was boring and too predictable.[/quote]

I dunno, seems that Gibbs did the best he could and in the end he could barely raise the team's head out of the water. Now they've fallen flat back on their faces without him. It's going to take some drastic changes, ones that I'm not sure Snyder is willing to make. So it looks like we're destined to toil around in mediocrity until Snyder finally realizes his way is the wrong way.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=53Fan;606910]Gibbs probably could have straightened this out but Gibbs didn't have to deal with constant rumors of being replaced and he had Dannys full support. Now, Gibbs is THE MAN if you ask me, but would it have killed Danny to come out and say that Zorn is his coach and he has his full support? Maybe let the players know that Zorn wasn't going anywhere and they needed to get their ass in gear? I think that would have been a good thing for a young coach that you supposedly had so much confidence in not so long ago.[/quote]

Excellent point. Pretty impressive for someone who isn't even a moderator...Skinny Tee, I'm just yanking your chain :)

I think though that one reason he won't is that (apart from the obvious that he doesn't have confidence in him) is that I'm not sure Zorn ever has had Snyder's full support. Zorn has Cerrato's full support (had it at least), and Cerrato has Snyder's (had it at least) so in that sense yes Zorn does have (did have?) Snyder's full support but I don't think Snyder feels the same way about Zorn as he did for say Spurrier.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=jgalecpa;606831]Okay, Here's a question for you guys.

Most (if not all) of you know a whole lot more than I do:

If you keep JC, what kind of contract do you give him?[/quote]

I think we should sign him to a 2 year deal and then bring in some competition. Anyone know the status of Kevin Kolb's contract?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;606902]Are you sure? I thought Williams was inactive, but not Will Montgomery.

Here's Reid's list

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/rinehart-out-mike-williams-in.html"]Redskins Insider - Rinehart Out, Mike Williams In (with Inactives)[/URL][/quote]That was my source as well, although at gametime. It's possible that I saw "Montgomery" and thought Will, though it was written as Anthony, although I'm pretty sure it read "Will Montgomery" at one point.