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[quote=Schneed10;1286703]That's good perspective. At the same time, the typical US citizen doesn't play on a football team who could have to forfeit games, causing every player to lose game checks.

If everyone in your neighborhood would lose 1/17th of their income if there was an outbreak in your neighborhood, you'd be more likely to get vaccinated too. That's why I can't understand why we're not at 90-95 percent. Hopefully getting there soon.[/quote]

My neighbors' income, and potential loss of some of it, would not factor into my decision regarding whether or not to get this vaccine. Not that I wouldn't care, I just don't base decisions regarding my health and welfare on my neighbors' anything.

The NFL put big time pressure on these guys to get the vaccine. Whether you like that tactic or not, it does seem to be working. Players are either doing a 180 after being provided more information, caving to the pressure, or simply making a new "business decision". But not everyone who doesn't want to get the vaccine, whatever their reason, is going to fold under the applied pressure; and I think the majority of players understand and respect that. It's mostly fans ("But I've been a die hard fan for years, what if they have to forfeit games") that don't respect the players' individual decisions.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286706]My neighbors' income, and potential loss of some of it, would not factor into my decision regarding whether or not to get this vaccine. Not that I wouldn't care, I just don't base decisions regarding my health and welfare on my neighbors' anything.

The NFL put big time pressure on these guys to get the vaccine. Whether you like that tactic or not, it does seem to be working. Players are either doing a 180 after being provided more information, caving to the pressure, or simply making a new "business decision". But not everyone who doesn't want to get the vaccine, whatever their reason, is going to fold under the applied pressure; and I think the majority of players understand and respect that. [B]It's mostly fans ("But I've been a die hard fan for years, what if they have to forfeit games") that don't respect the players' individual decisions.[/B][/quote]

Sorry Chief but I really have a hard time with that part of the argument. Saying "I wish they did that" and not respecting someone's personal decision are 2 different things IMO.
We all have opinions about a lot of things all the time. I don't get why having an opinion about the best option on this particular matter is suddenly such a massive issue...
Like, if an environmentalist says "I wish more people would use public transportation rather than individual cars" (not "any body who owns a car should be sent to jail/fired from their jobs"), is it a breach in individual freedom ?

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Kirk Cousins isn't vaccinated.

I'll judge him lol.

What a "dumbs"!

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People judge each other every day for every action. Don’t like it? Sorry my gentle little flower, nobody cares. If you don’t get the vaccine you’re a dumbass.

It is what it is, let’s not get too carried away with tolerance.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1286707]Sorry Chief but I really have a hard time with that part of the argument. Saying "I wish they did that" and not respecting someone's personal decision are 2 different things IMO.
We all have opinions about a lot of things all the time. I don't get why having an opinion about the best option on this particular matter is suddenly such a massive issue...
Like, if an environmentalist says "I wish more people would use public transportation rather than individual cars" (not "any body who owns a car should be sent to jail/fired from their jobs"), is it a breach in individual freedom ?[/quote]

FS, I said it's mostly fans... Meaning, for the most part, what I have seen/heard, the players are being respectful of each other's decisions (at least on record), but it's mostly fans or others outside the NFL who are not - because God forbid a team has to forfeit a game. I didn't say all fans... If the shoe fits...

If you've read anything I've posted on here, I'm probably the last one who is going to be against someone for voicing an opinion, even if I disagree. Now, I don't particularly like it when individuals feel they have to berate or shame someone who has a [I]different[/I] opinion, but we weren't all raised the same - so while I don't care for it, I'm understanding.

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Thank goodness this is true for lots of reasons:

Ron Rivera Presser: Vaccination status will not play a part in who makes the team, we’ll keep the best players.

HogsHaven tweeted that one.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1286711]FS, I said it's mostly fans... Meaning, for the most part, what I have seen/heard, the players are being respectful of each other's decisions (at least on record), but it's mostly fans or others outside the NFL who are not - because God forbid a team has to forfeit a game. I didn't say all fans... If the shoe fits...



If you've read anything I've posted on here, I'm probably the last one who is going to be against someone for voicing an opinion, even if I disagree. Now, I don't particularly like it when individuals feel they have to berate or shame someone who has a [I]different[/I] opinion, but we weren't all raised the same - so while I don't care for it, I'm understanding.[/QUOTE]Fair assessment IMO. I'm not a big fan of the actual climate where each side is calling the other side a bunch of brainless morons.
The atmosphere in France lately is about the same as what I can perceive from the US...

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I bet the team will be in the 90% range by September.

[url]https://washingtonfootballwire.usatoday.com/2021/08/02/news-and-notes-from-ron-riveras-monday-presser-washington-football-team/[/url]

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McLaurin's leadership on display here. I like it.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/terry-mclaurin-effects-covid-19-vaccinations-and-wft[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286715]McLaurin's leadership on display here. I like it.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/terry-mclaurin-effects-covid-19-vaccinations-and-wft[/url][/quote]

McLaurin is gonna end up being my favorite Skins/WFT/Wolves player of all times.

He is just a stud on and off the field.

I love that dude as much as I can love someone I don't know personally.

Whenever he can be re-upped, give him ALL OF THE MONEY! Don't fuck around.

The future is bright from a leadership standpoint with McLaurin, JA, and Chase.

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We should have the Dundie Awards here. That would be some fun polling.

Come up with 5-10 awards, and do like 2 day polling on each one. That could carry is right into some actual games. Probably stupid but reading all the different posts today was wild.

I don't care if it's stupid or not, sounds fun to me.

Go Team!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1286710]People judge each other every day for every action. Don’t like it? Sorry my gentle little flower, nobody cares. If you don’t get the vaccine you’re a dumbass.

It is what it is, let’s not get too carried away with tolerance.[/QUOTE]


Yup. A self absorbed, misinformed, dangerous, greedy, selfish, cunt of a dumbass……to be exact.

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Just curious how people felt after they got vaccinated. I got really sick for about 5 days. I felt so bad that I wanted to go to the hospital. I don't think I'm going to put my body through that again, idk. However I am 51. These guys probably bounce back a lot faster than I did. I get why these guys don't want to do it.

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First shot I had no reaction. 2nd shot I had on a Wednesday, felt very fatigued for about 24 hrs and by Friday I was 100% again. I'm 48.

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[quote=punch it in;1286679]Anybody else want to claim the vaccination is killing more people than the virus? There are plenty of badges of idiocy.[/quote]

I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1286725]I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.[/quote]

Well if I felt as bad as you did, AND I were a complete moron, then I might think it could kill me. Otherwise, no, I couldn't have that opinion.

Like, didn't we all take biology in high school? Did we not pay attention? Or was my public education in the suburbs of PA just better than everyone else's?

I'm trying to reconcile how anybody can not understand what an immune response, how it feels, etc. I can't wrap my head around it. I was taught these things in high school. Wasn't everybody? I just don't get it.

For those who didn't pay attention, or didn't take the class, or whatever...

When you get a vaccine, any vaccine, your body responds as your t cells recognize the shot as a foreign invader. Your lymphatic system (lymph nodes) beefs up production of b cells and t cells in response to the introduction of the vaccine, because your body thinks it has an invader on its hands. That response can make you feel crappy, because it's essentially your body reacting the same way as it would towards the actual illness. It causes inflammation in the lymph nodes, you get achy, the inflammation causes headaches and other aches, etc. But you're not actually infected with the virus. Your body eventually realizes that and chills out. Hence the reason why the crappy feeling only lasts 24 hours.

Having been introduced to that foreign invader, your t cells retain a "memory" (really it's an organic chemical imprint) of what that foreign invader looks like, so that next time it sees it, it will destroy it on sight before the virus has a chance to replicate throughout your body, and you get seriously infected.

I really don't understand why that's not well understood at this point. We should be a pretty advanced society.

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Think of it this way. You have a german shepherd and you hate your mother in law. You get a shirt that belongs to her that she's worn, you train your german shepherd that he should attack anything that smells like that shirt.

Next time she walks through that door, he takes her down and you live a happy life. That's a vaccine. The dog is your lymphatic system, he knows how to fight he just needs to be shown who to fight, how to recognize them, and when.

If he's not taught to fight her, she's just going to come into the house and be a bitch and get all up in your business. He has to know she's the enemy.

The shirt that smells like your mother in law is the vaccine. It smells like her. It's enough to teach the dog who to fight.

Once he knows she's a succubus, he'll kill her on sight, before she moves in and ruins your life.

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[quote=Schneed10;1286727]Well if I felt as bad as you did, AND I were a complete moron, then I might think it could kill me. Otherwise, no, I couldn't have that opinion.

Like, didn't we all take biology in high school? Did we not pay attention? Or was my public education in the suburbs of PA just better than everyone else's?

I'm trying to reconcile how anybody can not understand what an immune response, how it feels, etc. I can't wrap my head around it. I was taught these things in high school. Wasn't everybody? I just don't get it.

For those who didn't pay attention, or didn't take the class, or whatever...

When you get a vaccine, any vaccine, your body responds as your t cells recognize the shot as a foreign invader. Your lymphatic system (lymph nodes) beefs up production of b cells and t cells in response to the introduction of the vaccine, because your body thinks it has an invader on its hands. That response can make you feel crappy, because it's essentially your body reacting the same way as it would towards the actual illness. It causes inflammation in the lymph nodes, you get achy, the inflammation causes headaches and other aches, etc. But you're not actually infected with the virus. Your body eventually realizes that and chills out. Hence the reason why the crappy feeling only lasts 24 hours.

Having been introduced to that foreign invader, your t cells retain a "memory" (really it's an organic chemical imprint) of what that foreign invader looks like, so that next time it sees it, it will destroy it on sight before the virus has a chance to replicate throughout your body, and you get seriously infected.

I really don't understand why that's not well understood at this point. We should be a pretty advanced society.[/quote]

It is understood by me. I get how the immune system works. And as I said I do not believe getting the shot is killing people. However, I am still very apprehensive about getting it again. I had shortness of breath, a nasty cough, cold sweats and was shivering while dripping w/ sweat for 5 days. Sorry but you can throw all the biology and t cell bullshit out the window when you feel like absolute dog shit.

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^ still beats dying though

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[quote=skinsfan69;1286729]It is understood by me. I get how the immune system works. And as I said I do not believe getting the shot is killing people. However, I am still very apprehensive about getting it again. I had shortness of breath, a nasty cough, cold sweats and was shivering while dripping w/ sweat for 5 days. Sorry but you can throw all the biology and t cell bullshit out the window when you feel like absolute dog shit.[/quote]

That's an emotional reaction. The smart thing to do is not to throw that "bullshit" out the window, it's to take the vaccine again when it's time, deal with the shitty feeling you got from it, and live comfortably ever after knowing that the real virus won't put your ass in the hospital or six feet under.

And I know you understand, I'm not speaking to you per se. I'm laying this out for some dumbass who may be reading this, with no understanding how this works.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1286725]I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.[/quote]

The second dose of the vaccine kicked my ass for about a day and a half, but I was fine after that (I'm 42). However, I take this anytime over any respiratory issues that could happen because of COVID.

I'm asthmatic and and pneumonia in two separate occasions in 2019, which left me bedridden for several weeks. So I could not risk getting COVID and did everything to avoid it when it started.

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so, yeah back to sports??

Forgetting the "dumbs" and other name calling that seems to be ok in this thread, I want to say that regardless of how it plays out, right now the team is handling it very well. Could you imagine a BA led front office going through this. There would be rumors, innuendos, name calling - you know like the debating with enemies thread. Instead, you see the team leaders calling for clear thinking, doing the right thing, but still speaking in respectful terms of all the players and teammates.

I imagine getting through this, just like getting through RR's cancer last year, will bring the team together tighter. Now, if game checks are lost that certainly would be a separate stressor, but up to this point the team reactions have been excellent.

PS there are 2 other threads about Covid where everyone can go and discuss ad nauseum Covid. Can this thread not devolve please.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1286725]I'm not buying that it is killing people. However if you felt as bad as I did you may have a different opinion.[/QUOTE]


Felt terrible after second dose, but not NEARLY as terrible as those I know that had the virus. And I am alive. No comparison.

As for name calling in this thread, well when people are risking our livelihood because of misinformation that has zero basis in fact and spreading it on the internet… talking life and death here …well name calling seems extremely insignificant in comparison.

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Bringing the COVID back to sports discussion (thanks CRed). I'm genuinely curious to know how is asking a player about their hamstring injury or their knee surgery, any different than asking them about about whether they've been vaccinated?

I just find it interested in a sport where news about a players health is part of the business, all of the sudden this health aspect is off limits or taboo.

I guess you can say that COVID is non-football related, but it is something that could affect their playing status.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1286738]so, yeah back to sports??

Forgetting the "dumbs" and other name calling that seems to be ok in this thread, I want to say that regardless of how it plays out, right now the team is handling it very well. Could you imagine a BA led front office going through this. There would be rumors, innuendos, name calling - you know like the debating with enemies thread. Instead, you see the team leaders calling for clear thinking, doing the right thing, but still speaking in respectful terms of all the players and teammates.

I imagine getting through this, just like getting through RR's cancer last year, will bring the team together tighter. Now, if game checks are lost that certainly would be a separate stressor, but up to this point the team reactions have been excellent.

PS there are 2 other threads about Covid where everyone can go and discuss ad nauseum Covid. Can this thread not devolve please.[/quote]

Good luck, the issues are inextricably linked. As long as players are refusing the vaccine you're going to have fans who think they're dumbasses, and explaining why they think so on the message boards.

As for team response, I have a meh reaction to that. Every other team is dealing with the same thing, so in theory they're all being brought closer together too. Don't think there will be any kind of intangible or emotional factor here that contributes to our W L record, no more so than any other team has.

What might play a factor is number of missed practice/training camp days. Or worse, missed games. With so many guys missing camp because of being on the COVID list, we're at a disadvantage compared to most teams, not an advantage.

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[quote=MTK;1286724]First shot I had no reaction. 2nd shot I had on a Wednesday, felt very fatigued for about 24 hrs and by Friday I was 100% again. I'm 48.[/quote]

This was exactly my experience (down to my age), other than it was a Saturday/Sunday for the 2nd shot. Pfizer...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286743]This was exactly my experience (down to my age), other than it was a Saturday/Sunday for the 2nd shot. Pfizer...[/quote]

Same here.

First shot gave me a sore arm. The second knocked me on my butt the next day. After that I felt like Superman.

So one day of laying on the couch. A small price to pay IMHO.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1286742]Good luck, the issues are inextricably linked. As long as players are refusing the vaccine you're going to have fans who think they're dumbasses, and explaining why they think so on the message boards.



As for team response, I have a meh reaction to that. Every other team is dealing with the same thing, so in theory they're all being brought closer together too. Don't think there will be any kind of intangible or emotional factor here that contributes to our W L record, no more so than any other team has.



What might play a factor is number of missed practice/training camp days. Or worse, missed games. With so many guys missing camp because of being on the COVID list, we're at a disadvantage compared to most teams, not an advantage.[/QUOTE]

Like I said there are 2 other threads for people to talk about it in the sense of population as a whole or for lumping all those who hesitate into one category. And that is the second time in this thread that you seem to want to play the dumb guy, first on the charts and second here about not being able to seperate duscussion topics. You are better than that. I know you are smarter, and definitely capable, of intelligent discussion and keeping football in football. Others may or may not, but you are certainly able to - if you choose to.

As for how the team is handling it compared to the rest of the league, I stand by my statement. I have seen a few coaches outright throw players under the bus - that may play well to fans but players will remember that. RR's approach has been to focus on the team and focus on the unity of the players. I liken it to Gibbs in the strike season. And it builds esprit de corps that will play a role at the end of the season.

If the team forfeits multiple games then that will change obviously, but right now RR is being a leader, and guiding not dictating the players to make their own choice and make it with team in mind.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1286745]Like I said there are 2 other threads for people to talk about it in the sense of population as a whole or for lumping all those who hesitate into one category. And that is the second time in this thread that you seem to want to play the dumb guy, first on the charts and second here about not being able to seperate duscussion topics. You are better than that. I know you are smarter, and definitely capable, of intelligent discussion and keeping football in football. Others may or may not, but you are certainly able to - if you choose to.

As for how the team is handling it compared to the rest of the league, I stand by my statement. I have seen a few coaches outright throw players under the bus - that may play well to fans but players will remember that. RR's approach has been to focus on the team and focus on the unity of the players. I liken it to Gibbs in the strike season. And it builds esprit de corps that will play a role at the end of the season.

If the team forfeits multiple games then that will change obviously, but right now RR is being a leader, and guiding not dictating the players to make their own choice and make it with team in mind.

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You basically just repeated yourself, CRed. I'm not going to do the same.

I do believe in esprit de corps as you call it, making a difference in bringing locker rooms together. But the Raiders are 95% vaccinated, just to pick one team. They could easily point to how committed their team is to setting aside personal beliefs and preferences about the vaccine, and putting the team before themselves. You could point to how that demonstrates commitment.

Every team has one of these things they can point to in these COVID times.

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Were gonna fuck teams up this year. How's that for some sports talk lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286753]Were gonna fuck teams up this year. How's that for some sports talk lol.[/quote]

Yep, just cough on 'em and leave a trail of inactives in our wake. lol

But seriously I'm excited. Hearing that Cosmi's not holding up well in practices against Young and Sweat, and even getting worked over by William Bradley King. That's upsetting to hear but aside from some uneasiness about the tackle spot I'm feeling really good about the roster everywhere else.

Fitz is going to be up and down but the point is we were unbelievably awful last year at QB. If we just get capable from Fitz in half his games, and he's awful in the other half, that's still a big improvement from last season. Defense needs to just stay where it was and we'll be in the mix come December.

Most of all, we should be very fun to watch. A defense that gets after the QB and an offense with speed and a QB that will chuck it downfield. We're going to have fun, that's for certain. It's a good year to get back to season tickets, for anybody who stepped away from it.

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Cosmi should be struggling. He's going up against two top notch pass rushers and he's a rookie. He mostly got by on raw athleticism in college. He's got a lot to learn.

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[quote=Schneed10;1286755][B]Yep, just cough on 'em and leave a trail of inactives in our wake. lol
[/B]
But seriously I'm excited. Hearing that Cosmi's not holding up well in practices against Young and Sweat, and even getting worked over by William Bradley King. That's upsetting to hear but aside from some uneasiness about the tackle spot I'm feeling really good about the roster everywhere else.

Fitz is going to be up and down but the point is we were unbelievably awful last year at QB. If we just get capable from Fitz in half his games, and he's awful in the other half, that's still a big improvement from last season. Defense needs to just stay where it was and we'll be in the mix come December.

Most of all, we should be very fun to watch. A defense that gets after the QB and an offense with speed and a QB that will chuck it downfield. We're going to have fun, that's for certain. It's a good year to get back to season tickets, for anybody who stepped away from it.[/quote]

Whatever it takes to get the W lol.

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[quote=MTK;1286756]Cosmi should be struggling. He's going up against two top notch pass rushers and he's a rookie. He mostly got by on raw athleticism in college. He's got a lot to learn.[/quote]

Cosmi couldn't ask for any better on the job training. Going up against two freaking studs.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286758]Cosmi couldn't ask for any better on the job training. Going up against two freaking studs.[/quote]

This is why I think the O-line exceeded expectations last year. They will rarely face a tougher opponent on Sundays compared to during the week.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1286753]Were gonna fuck teams up this year. How's that for some sports talk lol.[/QUOTE]


I hope so. We got some key guys out of commission at the moment and like Schneed my biggest worry (in the sports world) is players missing time right now. Definite disadvantage.

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[quote=Schneed10;1286733]That's an emotional reaction. The smart thing to do is not to throw that "bullshit" out the window, it's to take the vaccine again when it's time, deal with the shitty feeling you got from it, and live comfortably ever after knowing that the real virus won't put your ass in the hospital or six feet under.

And I know you understand, I'm not speaking to you per se. I'm laying this out for some dumbass who may be reading this, with no understanding how this works.[/quote]

Well yeah of course it is part emotional. I can say I still do not feel 100% when it comes to my cardio so not sure about living 100% comfortably.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1286737]The second dose of the vaccine kicked my ass for about a day and a half, but I was fine after that (I'm 42). However, I take this anytime over any respiratory issues that could happen because of COVID.

I'm asthmatic and and pneumonia in two separate occasions in 2019, which left me bedridden for several weeks. So I could not risk getting COVID and did everything to avoid it when it started.[/quote]

that sucks, sorry to hear that. pheumonia is serious shit.

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Mike Jones
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Ron Rivera said yesterday that he was encouraged by improved vaccination rates on WFT. Source says now 84% of WFT players have received at least one vaccination shot. They opened camp at around 60%

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Good news here
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Cornelius Lucas has rejoined the offensive linemen on the side

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[quote=SunnySide;1286770]Mike Jones
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Ron Rivera said yesterday that he was encouraged by improved vaccination rates on WFT. Source says now 84% of WFT players have received at least one vaccination shot. They opened camp at around 60%

JP Finlay
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Good news here
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Rhiannon Walker
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Cornelius Lucas has rejoined the offensive linemen on the side[/quote]

Good news on the vaxx rate