Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;963010]He has full control doesn't he? Then yes, he's the reason. He has the final say and didn't stop anyone. Whether there's collusion involved or something more, the truth of the matter is, something was said and only us and a few others decided to test things.

[B]Bowen and Cofield are two players who have no business being in the 3-4 IMO[/B]. I'm not even sure that they belong as backups. Ryan Kerrigan for the most part hasn't been all that impressive, nor has Jenkins who some argued could be a starter.

In the past 20 years, the Washington Redskins have been worse than 6-10 (Shanahan's best record) six times (one of which has happened under Shanahan, 5-11). Shanahan, if he's lucky, will end up 4-12 which will be one win better than the worst of 3-13, but that's not to say Shanahan can't go 3-13 this season.

I'll give him the first two years as they were the major parts of a rebuild, but for a man who claimed QB was really the last major missing piece, that sure has changed drastically. Yes injuries don't help, but you build with quality depth, something the Redskins lack in all compartments.

Hopefully the rookies can come through, but let's be honest, they need time to groom, they can't be thrown into the mix day one and expect to perform.

Not to mention using your teams strengths. Seems like they still fail to realize they need the offense to score in order to win. This is an offense who even without Garcon and Davis can put up at least 30+, yet the play calling keeps holding them back.

Should we be 6-3, I don't know, but we shouldn't be worse than teams like Minnesota, Tampa Bay and Indianapolis who are in their first and second year of rebuilds, meanwhile we should be just about finished with ours.[/quote]

Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;963032]Here's what I'm referring to



[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000078914/article/robert-griffin-iii-mike-shanahan-cook-up-everevolving-offense]Robert Griffin III, Mike Shanahan cook up ever-evolving offense - NFL.com[/url] (Oct. 9, 2012)[/quote]


That's crazy talk. While I think you shouldn't necessarily overwhelm them, he should be going at RGIII's pace. If he's absorbing it, then give him more. No sense of putting on cuffs if it's not needed.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;963010]Bowen and Cofield are two players who have no business being in the 3-4 IMO. I'm not even sure that they belong as backups. Ryan Kerrigan for the most part hasn't been all that impressive, nor has Jenkins who some argued could be a starter.[/quote]


[quote=Mattyk;963034]Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.[/quote]

Thank you Matty for point out his error. Bowen has played well for us. Cofield is definitely out of place, but still doing a hell of a job allowing LBs to make the tackles.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Mattyk;963034]Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.[/quote]

He was not a starter during his tenure there, and if he was, I believe it was because he was a depth guy.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;963038]He was not a starter during his tenure there, and if he was, I believe it was because he was a depth guy.[/quote]

He was in the process of taking Marcus Spears job because he was playing better than he was. The only reason the Cowboys didn't resign him is due to salary cap issues.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;963030]Don't blame Shanny for Vinny's mess. He was only cleaning up his garbage. Had he not done what he did, our cap would have been ****ed.[/quote]You do see the logical flaw in arguing that Shanahan/Allen acted in 2010 the way they did because they had no choice, and then not holding them accountable for the cap penalty, right?

Even if you believe that the NFL jumped its authority with the cap penalty, as I do, you still can't put it on anyone but the current regime. This could/would have been a past issue in 2010 if left to organic means.

Vinny's influence on the 2011 Redskins was less than 1/2 a percent. At this point, he's a completely negligible character in the teams current situation.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Wade Phillips doesn't really run a three four. He runs something much closer to a 4-3 where the linebackers (instead of the DEs) have rush/contain responsibility.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

They aren't a straight 3-4 in Dallas lol. They're hybrid, and the Cowboys even laughed about re-signing him because they said he wasn't worth the money we gave him....looks like they were right.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Bowen is one of our more solid starters, really not sure why he's being called out.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;963045]Wade Phillips doesn't really run a three four. He runs something much closer to a 4-3 where the linebackers (instead of the DEs) have rush/contain responsibility.[/quote]

I heard someone on ESPN say that Wade runs a 3-4 which is closer to the 5-2 defense because its a surprise when the ends (OLBs in this case) aren't rushing the QB.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;963055]Bowen is one of our more solid starters, really not sure why he's being called out.[/QUOTE]

He's been our best front 7 player. If anything call out kerrigan he's been invisible

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LOL Bowen isn't good at all.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Mattyk;963034]Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.[/quote]

Doesn't mean he's good at it..... lol
jk i like Bowen personally

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Had heard this around this same point of the season last year but, the end is near:

@JayGlazer on @FOXSports just reported that Dan Snyder was not happy with Mike Shanahan's comments last Sunday. FWIW. #Redskins

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;963061]Had heard this around this same point of the season last year but, the end is near:

@JayGlazer on @FOXSports just reported that Dan Snyder was not happy with Mike Shanahan's comments last Sunday. FWIW. #Redskins[/QUOTE]

These next 7 games will be very interesting