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Didn't know what thread to put this in didn't want to start another.

New draft board:

Round 3- Harrison Smith S, Mitchell Schwartz OT ,Alameda Ta'aamu NT
Round 4-, Nate Potter OT, Brandon Brooks OG, , Lardarius Green TE, Aaron Henry S
Round 4- Chris Rainey SP, Terrance Ganaway RB/FB,
Round 5-Devier Posey and BPA,

Now let's get him some help at WR, this is a great trade for us idc what we gave up he's a future star QB and now we have a face finally

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

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[quote=Chico23231;894697]2014 First round really burns me. I could careless about the second this year and next years first...but that additional 1st? ugh

But im with you 100% 30, I gonna stick my head in the sand and at 430 in the morning, start drinking again...HTTR![/quote]

Wish it was conditional at least. If RGIII is a bust and doesn't start at least half the games in 2013 the pick turns into a 2nd or 3rd. Is that even possible?

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[quote=44Deezel;894713]Wish it was conditional at least. If RGIII is a bust and doesn't start at least half the games in 2013 the pick turns into a 2nd or 3rd. Is that even possible?[/quote]

That would've been nice.

I'm hearing the Browns attempted to match our offer but we already had an agreement in place with the Rams. So, the Rams didn't renig on the deal after it was in place.

[QUOTE=Gtothearry;894714]That would've been nice.

I'm hearing the Browns attempted to match our offer but we already had an agreement in place with the Rams. So, the Rams didn't renig on the deal after it was in place.[/QUOTE

Class move

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It's not 3 1st rounders, we're swapping 1's this year, so we would be giving up 2 first rounders.

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Giants gave up what was thought to be alot for Eli to move up a few spots. We all know how that turned out...

I guess they like RGIII enough...so I'll trust MS on this one.

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[quote=redsk1;894717]It's not 3 1st rounders, we're swapping 1's this year, so we would be giving up 2 first rounders.[/quote]

Yea, a lot of people seem to be misquoting this trade. The media is portraying it as 3 first rounders though.

Two first rounders and a second round pick. I was hoping I would wake up this morning to hear the 2nd round pick being mentioned wasn't included but no luck with that.

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[quote=That Guy;894706]everyone (except warriorzpath) was saying peyton, rg3, or bust... well peyton said no, so guess what? we got the other guy. it's really that simple. and yeah, the price sucks, but if he wins superbowls, no ones going to say anything about it besides how stupid the rams were to pass on him... and if he sucks, everyone's fired and it's the same old crappy season that we're all used to anyways.[/quote]

This.

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After a night to sleep on it:

[B]First:[/B] So all the picks they gave away are technically all under the Shanahan regime. They go right up to the end of his 5 year contract, which I think is a bit of coincidence and necessity. I really think Snyder is committed with sticking to just one guy for a while and that he's not on the hot seat this year, even with one more mediocre year (unless it's a bomb like 2-14 or something). So theoretically, it's not in the past where coaches are mortgaging the future for other coaches.

[B]Second:[/B] I had some sticker shock when I learned of what they gave up, but then I realized there must of been very high interest from other teams that made them to do this. Hell, latest reports were CLE would match the deal, so I'm sure they were strong in the running along with other teams which we don't know about that drove the price up.

[B]Third[/B]: They are very high on Griffen (along with a lot of other people) and they knew their QB situation was bad. The "safe" move I suppose would be to have drafted maybe Tannenhill or sign Orton, spent the other picks continuing to build the "base", and then in the next year draft their highly touted QB. But, they got their guy who is a very good fit for the system of bootlegs and moving around and can finally say they have drafted their franchise QB.

And Most Important:

[B]Fourth: [/B] I am really interested to see how they approach Free Agency. This entire emotion behind this move feels like the Redskins of Old . We are posting pictures of RG3 in redskins gear hosting trophies and most of us have already though of that first bootleg roll out when RG3 has plenty of space in front of him. It's another big splash, big move, lots of hype, but who knows what will show up on the field.

I hope they approach FA like they did last year: making solid above average signings for reasonable cash. The only place I see them going overboard is WR. If they go out and get all the big names and bring in a ton of people, I'm not sure if this is really a new way of running the redskins.

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this years second

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[quote=That Guy;894706]everyone (except warriorzpath) was saying peyton, rg3, or bust... well peyton said no, so guess what? we got the other guy. it's really that simple. and yeah, the price sucks, but if he wins superbowls, no ones going to say anything about it besides how stupid the rams were to pass on him... and if he sucks, everyone's fired and it's the same old crappy season that we're all used to anyways.[/quote]

That's pretty much how I feel. If this team is going to lose games, at least trick me into thinking you're actually trying to win them in the first place. I was pretty pissed going into last season with Grossman and Beck; this offseason I badly wanted Robert Griffin III, I can't complain now. I'm actually ecstatic now. At least we're taking a chance on winning as opposed to trotting out the same garbage quarterbacks we did last year. Seriously, I had absolutely no faith in Beck or Grossman putting together enough wins to get into the playoffs and...shocker they didn't. I'm actually energized as a fan again because I want to see how this kid works out. Damn this Kool-Aid tastes good...lol.

Look, I'm not crazy about what we gave up, but no one will be talking me off of any ledges either. It might be a tough pill to swallow, but I can do it because I think there are only 2 franchise quarterbacks in this draft and now we're getting one of them. This is the first time in a long time I've felt like the Skins are in a good spot at QB. For me, that's worth the price.

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Honestly, it's a hefty price for an unknown, but he's seen as the franchise. I think if we didn't pull the trigger on this deal, there would have been more complaints about being satisfied with the mediocrity we've seen here for however long. I think free agency will be our lost draft picks. I have to believe this is part of the Shanaplan, because if I don't there's a 2 liter bottle of Everclear with my name on it.

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Not only that, with some improvement (hopefully) those first rounders might be in the high twenties. :D

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I think it will be huge now to make sure that Fletcher is resigned and we get at least ONE of the marquee names at WR.

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My ass is only slightly chapped that we gave up our second this year. It was almost like a first rounder due to our shitty record. I can't imagine that next year's second rounder wasn't good enough. :(

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The price is much higher than I thought it would be, the 2014 First was the kicker but you know what, if those are late in the first round which means that we are WINNING so I won't care at that point. We've sucked for so long that we seem to associate a first rounder with a top 10 selection. If those picks are in the bottom 10 of the draft I'll be ok with it.

The other benefit (we have plenty of time to debate RGIII) of making this trade now is clarity for the rest of the offseason. Our top question has been answered, we know who the QB will be, now we can shop in free agency without having to wonder who is going to be under center. We can focus on WR, OL, RB, S, CB with our $45 million in cap space.

I'm waking up on the sunny side of the bed this morning, we got our QB, we still have 7 picks in 2012, 7 picks in 2013 & 6 picks in 2014.

We all agreed Manning or RGIII/ Luck. So I'm stoked

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[quote=Paintrain;894734]The price is much higher than I thought it would be, the 2014 First was the kicker but you know what, if those are late in the first round which means that we are WINNING so I won't care at that point. We've sucked for so long that we seem to associate a first rounder with a top 10 selection. If those picks are in the bottom 10 of the draft I'll be ok with it.

The other benefit (we have plenty of time to debate RGIII) of making this trade now is clarity for the rest of the offseason. Our top question has been answered, we know who the QB will be, now we can shop in free agency without having to wonder who is going to be under center. We can focus on WR, OL, RB, S, CB with our $45 million in cap space.

I'm waking up on the sunny side of the bed this morning, we got our QB, we still have 7 picks in 2012, 7 picks in 2013 & 6 picks in 2014.[/quote]

Exactly. I don't know who it was (EARTHQUAKE maybe?) who said, "Would you be willing to trade a couple Ryan Kerrigans for RGIII?"

The answer for me is a resounding YES.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

I haven't noticed SmootSmack post anything yet...

Is there still a chance or scenario where we trade Orakpo for a 1st round pick this year or next? He was mentioned at one point as being on the table with some team... I assumed the Rams, but apparently not?

Anyone?

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They way I see it is, nothing good comes easy, nothing good comes cheap. The Redskins obviously had to do something. We can talk about the team mortgaging the future for one guy all day. Well, what type of future do you think this team has without a franchise quarterback? Nothing special in my opinion. I would have been ecstatic with Peyton Manning/Ryan Tannehill. But, Peyton obviously did not want to come to Washington. And honestly, I don't think Mike Shanahan was in the position to go the Orton/Tannehill or Cousins route. In the end, you gotta put butts in seats and you gotta have an instant game changer. RGIII's that guy.

Thinking optimistically, Griffin comes in and turns this team into an exciting, deadly great team. Nobody will be talking about the bounty that the 'skins gave up.

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we have our QB, no need to trade our stud OLB pro bowler for a pick that we dont seem to value to highly in the first place. Keep our young talent and be super smart in free agency.

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A lot to give up. I'll play Captain Obvious here and give the super insightful opinion that this will be the start of a great era for the Skins (ala the Colts and Peyton) or push them further into disaster (Browns and Tim Couch).

My first thought is they gave up too much, but I thought the same thing when my squad landed Eli so what the hell do I know?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;894716][QUOTE=Gtothearry;894714]That would've been nice.

I'm hearing the Browns attempted to match our offer but we already had an agreement in place with the Rams. So, the Rams didn't renig on the deal after it was in place.[/QUOTE

Class move[/quote]

Would it be a class move if we traded the number 2 pick to the browns for their slightly better offer???

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This...

[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/clark-judge/17703568/did-redskins-ovepay-patience-people"]Did Redskins Overpay? Patience People[/URL]

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great,more giants fans giving their expert opinions. You know RG3 is gonna torch ya!!!!

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;894743]we have our QB, no need to trade our stud OLB pro bowler for a pick that we dont seem to value to highly in the first place. Keep our young talent and be super smart in free agency.[/QUOTE]

This

Just incase anyone has forgotten, Baylor pro day is March 21.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Mechanix544;894743]we have our QB, no need to trade our stud OLB pro bowler for a pick that we dont seem to value to highly in the first place. Keep our young talent and be super smart in free agency.[/quote]

I agree.

I was asking if anyone had any inside information on if this was/is part of this whole plan... use Rak to gain back one (or 2) of the picks.

I'm not for it... I'm just seeing if there is the chance of it happening.

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I got two words for you:

Hell Yes

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Bushead;894724]After a night to sleep on it:

[B]First:[/B] So all the picks they gave away are technically all under the Shanahan regime. They go right up to the end of his 5 year contract, which I think is a bit of coincidence and necessity. I really think Snyder is committed with sticking to just one guy for a while and that he's not on the hot seat this year, even with one more mediocre year (unless it's a bomb like 2-14 or something). So theoretically, it's not in the past where coaches are mortgaging the future for other coaches.

[B]Second:[/B] I had some sticker shock when I learned of what they gave up, but then I realized there must of been very high interest from other teams that made them to do this. Hell, latest reports were CLE would match the deal, so I'm sure they were strong in the running along with other teams which we don't know about that drove the price up.

[B]Third[/B]: They are very high on Griffen (along with a lot of other people) and they knew their QB situation was bad. The "safe" move I suppose would be to have drafted maybe Tannenhill or sign Orton, spent the other picks continuing to build the "base", and then in the next year draft their highly touted QB. But, they got their guy who is a very good fit for the system of bootlegs and moving around and can finally say they have drafted their franchise QB.

And Most Important:

[B]Fourth: [/B] I am really interested to see how they approach Free Agency. This entire emotion behind this move feels like the Redskins of Old . We are posting pictures of RG3 in redskins gear hosting trophies and most of us have already though of that first bootleg roll out when RG3 has plenty of space in front of him. It's another big splash, big move, lots of hype, but who knows what will show up on the field.

I hope they approach FA like they did last year: making solid above average signings for reasonable cash. The only place I see them going overboard is WR. If they go out and get all the big names and bring in a ton of people, I'm not sure if this is really a new way of running the redskins.[/quote]

Very well said. It took me a night to sleep on it too. I was a pretty pissed we gave up so much but at the end of the day im very excited at the prospect of stability at the qb position for years to come.

I hope we do a complete repeat of fa like last year too. Should be interesting w wr though, i wonder if the elite want to work w a rookie qb?

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Speaking of WRs... adding:

Free Agents:
M. Colston (V.Jax worries me for the ton of $ he will command) &
E. Royal (some untapped potential I believe & has done well under Shanny before)

And in the draft:
Joe Adams in the 3rd Round

Gives RGIII THIS to throw to:
M. Colston
L. Hankerson
J. Gaffney
E. Royal
J. Adams
S. Moss
F. Davis
C. Cooley
R. Helu - out of the backfield

Come on .... All 3 I'm talking about adding are very feasible... and I believe any QB would be satisfied with that stable of receivers.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36842/redskins-pay-high-price-to-get-their-qb]Redskins pay high price to get their QB - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE]The price is toe-curlingly high, and a month or so ago I thought three first-rounders would have been too much. But I think the Redskins had to do it. Look around the league. Teams that get quarterback right are set for a decade. They are playoff teams, almost guaranteed, every single year. They have far fewer worries at draft time, and their offseasons are far less stressful and scrutinized. Teams that miss on quarterback are miserable, lost and confused, perpetually reaching for ill-fitting solutions and facing the same insurmountable problems year in and year out. [/QUOTE]

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What's the price of a championship? Whatever it takes. Hindsight may prove this to be a terrible trade, but at least this shows that we're all in. Now off to watch some of last year's Baylor games...

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[quote=SkinzWin;894397]I was hoping we wouldn't give up this year's 2nd rounder. It's like sweet and sour chicken. Don't know how to think about this yet....[/quote]

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Love how you summed this up. Very true. Glad to see us getting a qb but not happy about giving up the 2nd round pick.

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This is a bit of a double edged sword for me. I love that we are going to get a quality player and individual like RG3. I do hope he can deliver for us. We have gone waaaaay too damn long without a true starting qb. As we know though things happen and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I sure hope for RG3 and our sake it does. Now we need to give him some more pieces to let him be successful.
Still not crazy that we gave up as much as we did, but it is what it is. Teams who are in dire need will do what it takes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;894750]Just incase anyone has forgotten, Baylor pro day is March 21.[/quote]

If I were Luck or Griffin I would forego my pro days and just take my #1 or #2 slot.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;894754]Speaking of WRs... adding:

Free Agents:
M. Colston (V.Jax worries me for the ton of $ he will command) &
E. Royal (some untapped potential I believe & has done well under Shanny before)
[/quote]

colston won't be cheap, won't have brees throwing to him, and still has injury issues. not that VJ is without his own problems, but the best WRs got tagged, and I think VJ is better than colston if the money's equal.

i'd look at meachem for cost effectiveness. that's the quality guy that won't break the bank. royal's been linked already and he's not going to get any kind of money, so of course that'd make sense... I mean, why not?

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[quote=Mechanix544;894747]great,more giants fans giving their expert opinions. You know RG3 is gonna torch ya!!!![/quote]

did you read my post or just see the giants logo in the avatar and comment? As far as torching the Giants, we shall see about that, but you should at least give the kid a few practices before you start with that.