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[quote=los panda;958508]put one of these on your xmas list, it may help

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Brilliant

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[quote=punch it in;958511]No. I will miss it.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]hah, i probably would too. i used to imagine a child typing away, or a teen texting from a phone, but now i sometimes imagine a large man w fat fingers really punching at the keybaord

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[quote=SkinsGuru;958504]r u saying that Kylis IS going to get fired?[/quote]

Several teams interested in Kyle. And there's at least one where the interest is mutual.

[QUOTE=los panda;958517]hah, i probably would too. i used to imagine a child typing away, or a teen texting from a phone, but now i sometimes imagine a large man w fat fingers really punching at the keybaord[/QUOTE]

Totally the same thought about teen on the phone. Now drug and alcohol induced gangster darkness.


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958520]Several teams interested in Kyle. And there's at least one where the interest is mutual.[/QUOTE]

Do those teams know RG -3 isnt part of the package?


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[quote=SmootSmack;958520]Several teams interested in Kyle. And there's at least one where the interest is mutual.[/quote]can't say i'm happy about that

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[quote=SmootSmack;958520]Several teams interested in Kyle. And there's at least one where the interest is mutual.[/quote]

Well being that Kyle went to school in Texas, hopefully its not Dallas or that would be an Oh Sh!ter!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;958527]Well being that Kyle went to school in Texas, hopefully its not Dallas or that would be an Oh Sh!ter![/quote]it is, joe gibbs next hc in dallas, kyle his oc, probably darrell green his dc.

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[quote=punch it in;958523]Do those teams know RG -3 isnt part of the package?


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RG3's not the only talented QB out there. And RG3's not the only reason, contrary to what some believe, this offense has been putting up points. Only an idiot can't appreciate the play designs

[QUOTE=los panda;958528]it is, joe gibbs next hc in dallas, kyle his oc, probably darrell green his dc.[/QUOTE]

Joe is the motivational speaker. Lol


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958530]RG3's not the only talented QB out there. And RG3's not the only reason, contrary to what some believe, this offense has been putting up points. Only an idiot can't appreciate the play designs[/QUOTE]

I was just bustin balls. I dont have any real issues with Kyle other than he over complicates things at times. Im content as a baby in the womb with our offense.


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[quote=punch it in;958533]I was just bustin balls. I dont have any real issues with Kyle other than he over complicates things at times. Im content as a baby in the womb with our offense.


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Yeah but I know others were about to pounce on your post with some response like "What an awesome post" "That kind of logic is so rare here. LOL"

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958534]Yeah but I know others were about to pounce on your post with some response like "What an awesome post" "That kind of logic is so rare here. LOL"[/QUOTE]
Oh i would have drawn some strong comments from both sides im sure. Could have been the perfect storm of Kyleisms. Lol.


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[quote=punch it in;958473]The complete lack of talent minus RG-3 that you see is completely Shannys problem. Cant say the cake is bad but the baker is good.


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[I]Guys who could be starters on any team unless one of the top 5 guys at the position is there:[/I]

Alfred Morris
Darrell Young
Monty
Trent Williams
Fred Davis (IR)
Garcon (IR)
Steve Bowen
Perry Riley
Ryan Kerrigan
Barry Cofield

[I]Guys who may develop into that type of player:[/I]
Paulson
Lichtenstieger
Cousins
Hankerson
Helu (IR)

[I]Young Guys who may develop into everyday starters in a couple years:[/I]
Gettis
LeRibeus
Robinson

Then you have solid guys like Moss, Alexander, Golston and Morgan. Maybe not guarranteed starters on other teams but certainly solid NFL players who would be picked up in a heartbeat if we cut them tomorrow.

The team has talent and youth most of it assembled by the current regime. It still has holes (note the lack of any DB's listed - I thought about Crawford, Bernstine but really don't think they have shown enough to indicate that they will be more than new and not-so-improved Byron Westbrooks).

I personally think the depth has been increased from the team that Shanahan inherited. For the record, I think Shanny got an aging, talented team that had little or no depth.

But to say there is no talent other than RGIII is just wrong.

I[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;958548][I]Guys who could be starters on any team unless one of the top 5 guys at the position is there:[/I]

Alfred Morris
Darrell Young
Monty
Trent Williams
Fred Davis (IR)
Garcon (IR)
Steve Bowen
Perry Riley
Ryan Kerrigan
Barry Cofield

[I]Guys who may develop into that type of player:[/I]
Paulson
Lichtenstieger
Cousins
Hankerson
Helu (IR)

[I]Young Guys who may develop into everyday starters in a couple years:[/I]
Gettis
LeRibeus
Robinson

Then you have solid guys like Moss, Alexander, Golston and Morgan. Maybe not guarranteed starters on other teams but certainly solid NFL players who would be picked up in a heartbeat if we cut them tomorrow.

The team has talent and youth most of it assembled by the current regime. It still has holes (note the lack of any DB's listed - I thought about Crawford, Bernstine but really don't think they have shown enough to indicate that they will be more than new and not-so-improved Byron Westbrooks).

I personally think the depth has been increased from the team that Shanahan inherited. For the record, I think Shanny got an aging, talented team that had little or no depth.

But to say there is no talent other than RGIII is just wrong.[/QUOTE]

I wasnt saying that JR. The poster said that. He said other than RG-3 there is no talent. Than he said that he has no problem with Shanny. I was pointing out that did not make sense if you believe there is no talent. I did not say that was my belief.
Edit: i happen to agree with your statements and you certainly put alot of effort into it but you are barking at ( not up) the wrong tree. Lol.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958548][I]Guys who could be starters on any team unless one of the top 5 guys at the position is there:[/I]

Alfred Morris
Darrell Young
Monty
Trent Williams
Fred Davis (IR)
Garcon (IR)
Steve Bowen
Perry Riley
Ryan Kerrigan
Barry Cofield

[I]Guys who may develop into that type of player:[/I]
Paulson
Lichtenstieger
Cousins
Hankerson
Helu (IR)

[I]Young Guys who may develop into everyday starters in a couple years:[/I]
Gettis
LeRibeus
Robinson

Then you have solid guys like Moss, Alexander, Golston and Morgan. Maybe not guarranteed starters on other teams but certainly solid NFL players who would be picked up in a heartbeat if we cut them tomorrow.

The team has talent and youth most of it assembled by the current regime. It still has holes (note the lack of any DB's listed - I thought about Crawford, Bernstine but really don't think they have shown enough to indicate that they will be more than new and not-so-improved Byron Westbrooks).

I personally think the depth has been increased from the team that Shanahan inherited. For the record, I think Shanny got an aging, talented team that had little or no depth.

But to say there is no talent other than RGIII is just wrong.[/quote]

I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958520]Several teams interested in Kyle. And there's at least one where the interest is mutual.[/quote]

This is a shame, I really like Kyle now that we've put some pieces in place for him. Is there any sign at all that he will resign with us this offseason?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958552]I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.[/quote]

Healthy, our defensive front seven (Carriker, Cofield, Bowen, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Fletcher, Riley) is rather talented. The problem is they aren't healthy, Jenkins hasn't regained his power and explosiveness from his knee injury, Fletcher is aging rapidly before our eyes and our secondary is doing nothing to help them. Teams aren't running on our defense. Partly because they don't have to but also because they can't. Get some upgrades on the back end and fix the schematic issues, we will see a much improved defense with the same front 7 players.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958534]Yeah but I know others were about to pounce on your post with some response like "What an awesome post" "That kind of logic is so rare here. LOL"[/quote]

:laughing2

Oh dear. Spot on, senor.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;958527]Well being that Kyle went to school in Texas, hopefully its not Dallas or that would be an Oh Sh!ter![/quote]

Chargers would be my guess. Talented QB and RB/WRs/TE in place to run the type of offense he wants.

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I would give Shanahan one more year since I believe we can all sense improvement on this team. I think next year if he does not make the playoffs, then we have to let him go. 4 years is more than enough time to show improvement. That is 4 draft classes to make your team better. 4 years is how long a coach should be given to improve your team. Also have to judge him on a lot of his questionable moves. Like McNabb, how the secondary was built and everything.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958552]I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.[/quote]

I agree and yeah, after RGIII, I think Rak and T.Williams are our two most talented players.

Let's see what the D list looks like after this offseason. I suspect changes are in the offing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958565]I agree and yeah, after RGIII, I think Rak and T.Williams are our two most talented players.

Let's see what the D list looks like after this offseason. I suspect changes are in the offing.[/quote]

I think Kerrigan is also very talented. Hasn't been showing up recently but still very talented.

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[quote=donofriose;958566]I think Kerrigan is also very talented. Hasn't been showing up recently but still very talented.[/quote]

Well I do notice sometimes he's getting mugged when he's rushing off the edge.

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I wish we could for once just compare these forums to the real game.

We should fire/ban every person on these forums when they make one bad post, or forget to post once a day. We can even make discussions about it.. Like whole thread titles labeled "Should "so and so" be banned for these posts?"

Would be interesting..

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[quote=Deivybaby;958509]Agreed offense been a bit worst every week but not bad its still good.

Our wr. Been not that good other than moss now .

People ovee hype shanny alot we will have another losing season but its bexause we refused to fire haslett last year.[/quote]

Dude...nearly all your posts belong in the drunk thread.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958530]RG3's not the only talented QB out there. And RG3's not the only reason, contrary to what some believe, this offense has been putting up points. Only an idiot can't appreciate the play designs[/quote]

Folks out there who think Kyle is not appreciated within the NFL clearly don't read the various insider stuff out there. I have seen several folks (gm's, former gm's and various coaches and former coaches) credit Kyle for his abilities. I have no doubt that, if he so desired, he could find an OC job in several places around the league.

Does that mean he will succeed? No. At the same time, it certainly would seem Kyle is not quite the drooling "Yes Dad" coach some around here hold him out to be.

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[quote=punch it in;958523]Do those teams know RG -3 isnt part of the package?


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That's excellent :laughing2

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See, what did I tell you Punch?

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[quote=NC_Skins;958563]Chargers would be my guess. Talented QB and RB/WRs/TE in place to run the type of offense he wants.[/quote]

Not a bad guess actually, makes a lot of sense. But not actually one of the teams I know to have been mentioned

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[quote=SmootSmack;958530]RG3's not the only talented QB out there. And RG3's not the only reason, contrary to what some believe, this offense has been putting up points. Only an idiot can't appreciate the play designs[/quote]

Also would take an idiot to think our play-calling and play-design hasn't been woefully stupid on several occasions throughout the season. Yesterday was the worst we've seen, but that shouldn't surprise given the pattern over the last two seasons: the offense gets increasingly predictable under Kyle. I'll be surprised if the "interest" in Kyle is very strong by season's end.

But there are a lot of pedestrian coaches out there. Winners are hard to find, and that's why folks like the Shanahans stay employed.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958573]Folks out there who think Kyle is not appreciated within the NFL clearly don't read the various insider stuff out there. I have seen several folks (gm's, former gm's and various coaches and former coaches) credit Kyle for his abilities. I have no doubt that, if he so desired, he could find an OC job in several places around the league.

Does that mean he will succeed? No. At the same time, it certainly would seem Kyle is not quite the drooling "Yes Dad" coach some around here hold him out to be.[/quote]

I think the problem is that Skins fans are finicky, "what have you done for me lately" types. I think Kyle's play calls range between brain dead and genius levels and they fluctuate.

While I'm not crazy about many of the series he calls, I think he does a formidable job trying to call plays that match RG3s skills and keeping other teams off guard. Unfortunately, this isn't Madden and every play call isn't always going to net yards.

I think we could be doing a lot worse.

That said, after seeing RG3 run a 2 minute drill with no play-calls from the coach, why not let him "Peyton Manning" a couple series a game? Too soon in his NFL carreer for that? Bad idea?

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[quote=The Goat;958579]Also would take an idiot to think our play-calling and play-design hasn't been woefully stupid on several occasions throughout the season. Yesterday was the worst we've seen, but that shouldn't surprise given the pattern over the last two seasons: the offense gets increasingly predictable under Kyle. I'll be surprised if the "interest" in Kyle is very strong by season's end.

But there are a lot of pedestrian coaches out there. Winners are hard to find, and that's why folks like the Shanahans stay employed.[/quote]

I'm not sure you could say predictable. If anything the problem is sometimes lack of predictability. Trying too hard when simple execution is all that matters

But you're right we need winners like Bill Cowher or Jack Del Rio, not pedestrian coaches like Shanahan

Can we at least all agree that we've been at the shanaplan for a really long time now?

I think that if you believe you have seen improvements and want shanny extended and Kyle extended so that they can take a different approach on defense, then fine, we disagree. If you think we need to wait out our results for two more years, then that's the definition of insanity.

Unlike the athletes and coaches we discuss we are not getting paid millions of dollars to post here. If we were i would imagine this would be the case for us as well.


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[quote=GTripp0012;958585]Can we at least all agree that we've been at the shanaplan for a really long time now?

I think that if you believe you have seen improvements and want shanny extended and Kyle extended so that they can take a different approach on defense, then fine, we disagree. If you think we need to wait out our results for two more years, then that's the definition of insanity.[/quote]

Now I'm an insane moron, it seems

[QUOTE=Bucket;958571]I wish we could for once just compare these forums to the real game.

We should fire/ban every person on these forums when they make one bad post, or forget to post once a day. We can even make discussions about it.. Like whole thread titles labeled "Should "so and so" be banned for these posts?"

Would be interesting..[/QUOTE]

My last post was in response to this. I would have been fined for sure.


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[quote=GTripp0012;958585]Can we at least all agree that we've been at the shanaplan for a really long time now?

I think that if you believe you have seen improvements and want shanny extended and Kyle extended so that they can take a different approach on defense, then fine, we disagree. If you think we need to wait out our results for two more years, then that's the definition of insanity.[/quote]i think drafting griff throws a wrench in your insanity plea

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958588]Now I'm an insane moron, it seems[/QUOTE]

I just figured you were all about contract extensions for the whole staff. Whether or not that will happen, continuity, man!

But seriously the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

[QUOTE=los panda;958591]i think drafting griff throws a wrench in your insanity plea[/QUOTE]

The season results say otherwise.