[QUOTE=NC_Skins;962987]I concur. I was against the McNabb trade and on the fence with the Brown trade. It was pretty foolish. I knew McNabb was overrated and what talent he did have was gone. If you take back those picks we gave up, we could potentially have 3 starters (or depth) out of it.

I do give Mike a pass on the Parker/Johnson/Galloway signing though. Remember, it was the uncapped year with teams using tenders on all their restricted FAs so we had nothing to really work with.





At first I was for waiting till the end of the season, but after it was apparent the defensive squad had stopped responding to this man, I wanted him out during this bye week. The team that played against Atlanta isn't the same team that played against the Steelers and Panthers. It was very apparent. I still think Mike's biggest downfall could very well be his selection of a DC to run this defense. I realize Jim was option #2, but surely there were other people more qualified than Jim. He had a year to figure this out.




Ruhskin and a couple others talked about the penalties the other week and mentioned how it's a clear sign of a undisciplined team or lack of leadership. This falls on Mike. Plain and simple. Mike should have suspended Kyle and Dhall for their parts. After the Morgan bit, he should have dropped the hammer that anymore would result in sitting for a game. He didn't and it's continued.




I think Mike's ego is getting in the way of some of this. Instead of just correcting the mistake like he did with McNabb, he's going to let this defense thing fester until it's too late.

I personally think he will not succeed here, but he will have a good base built for the next guy to come and get all the credit for turning around. I hope I'm wrong.






He'll definitely be swimming uphill. Said the other day that I'm not even sure why he took this job knowing it was in the shape it was. Vinny's stench is still haunting this team via capgate. Mike is basically going to have to hit homeruns on all the draft picks this upcoming off-season. He also didn't do himself any favors with the poor FA moves/trades. (McNabb/Brown/Jackson/Meriweather/Morgan)







By all means, rant.[/QUOTE]

So NC - me gtripp goat and mechanix are fools for doubting Shanny but HTTR 24-7 is spot on?
Im confused.
Edit: not sure how u can agree with everything that HTTR 24-7 has said but than say he will leave a solid foundation for the next guy. Suddenly you say he will not succeed here - yet every post you have made says that he is succeeding here - you have said repeatedly he is on the rite track - did u mean the rite track to failure?

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highway to hell

[QUOTE=Bucket;963189]Yeah.. Griffin would of already broken every record in the NFL, and thrown for 20 touchdowns if it wasn't for Shanahan[/QUOTE]

He wasnt being sarcastic. He is referring to inside info that we already had.

[QUOTE=los panda;963541]highway to hell[/QUOTE]

The road to nowhere.

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[quote=HTTR247;962986]You can't just toss out a season like it never existed. Last week in the Monday "Evaluation part deux" presser, Shanny said he knew when he took the job the team was old and needed to get younger which they started in year 1. That comment was a head scratcher because he traded and signed older players like Galloway,Mcnabb, Johnson,Parker ,and (insert name). Actions said he thought he could win AND rebuild simultaneously.




We are in year 3 and do have some nice young talent but not nearly enough.



I'm usually not a fan of letting coaches go mid season but Haslett needs to go asap. This team had Haz/player issues carryover from 2011 into 2012 and a player or two are not even on speaking terms with the coach. Some veterans have become increasing frustrated with how he leads the defense. I spoke to a few veterans who have taken issue with the most recent Haslett quote...

"I come to work, I work hard, I do the best I can with what we got and try to put these guys in position to win games and be successful on defense,” “That’s all really I can do.”

Honest or not some of the guys have taken it as Haz blaming them and taking no accountability in the issues. Players have routinely told the media not to blame the scheme or the coach it was on the players to make plays. Guys that have issues with Haslett still went to bat for him with a mic in their face. Defensive lockeroom is fractured and now on gameday you are starting to see no intensity, no fire, no communication, and so on.. Those are all signs that you are losing the unit and getting ready to be fired.




I want to see "team going in right direction" but I don't see it at all. I see a team regressing in a year they are suppose to be progressing as a team. I see coaches getting fined for chassing & cussing out refs, Players cussing out refs, One of the most penalized teams in the league. Then tons of dropped balls, can't run the base Shanahan offense because of the LG & RTS play, coaches messing up in the media.

On defense I see the most passive 3-4 unit I think I have ever seen in the NFL. Drives me nuts that we have all 4-3 coaches, coaching a 3-4 defense filled with 4-3 personnel, with a Defensive coordinator that never wanted to run the 3-4 here.

And most of that is not even the tip of the ice berg.

Im not sure where I stand on Mike Shanahan yet.. Everything added up does not paint a picture of future success under his guidance unless changes are made.

Hasletts ticket for departure will come anytime after Thanksgiving. Kyle is not guaranteed to stay with the organization either. You could be looking at a new DC & OC entering year 4/5 and that to me is a mess. Year 4 is when you usually have to decide if you are going to extend a coach or enter the infamous last year of the contract with no extension aka " lame duck coach" .

So how would Shanahan improve the team with -18 million, little draft picks, new DC, new OC, possible new DL coach , and a lot of needs??

You are almost at the point that it might be better to cut bait from Mike and start the process again around RG3. I cant believe I said it but its how I feel. Shanny is not going to coach forever and he likely wont be here past 5 IF he makes it that long. so what are you losing?

Some will say you are losing a year of RG3s development..True but if Mike sucks it up in 2013 and is gone then you have wasted 2 years. The problem will just compound.

Maybe I would have a different view if I haven't heard from some folks at the park that they are not sold on Shanahan.. and these were not players.

Sorry fro the rant.. HTTR[/quote]

Me, Gtripp, goat and Mechanix have uttered these same things - especially about cutting RG-3's lost years at one instead of letting Shanny waste 3 of his years - and we literally get laughed at. All I hear is Shanny is on the right track - over, and over, and over.

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[quote=punch it in;963555]Me, Gtripp, goat and Mechanix have uttered these same things - especially about cutting RG-3's lost years at one instead of letting Shanny waste 3 of his years - and we literally get laughed at. All I hear is Shanny is on the right track - over, and over, and over.[/quote]

Scroll to the 2:15 mark

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It's in the presentation

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[quote=punch it in;963545]The road to nowhere.[/quote]

stairway to heaven :argue:

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[quote=SmootSmack;963563]Scroll to the 2:15 mark

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It's in the presentation[/quote]

lmao - cant believe you had an obscure cosby show scene on hand for that.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say that if one of us had posted [I]exactly[/I] what HTTR 24-7 had (because I believe we have), that NC skins reply would not have been "please rant" and "i agree" - not by a mile.

There is now someone who is alittle more respected as an "in the know" guy (and for good reason), than us "haters" and he is bringing some credibility to what we have been saying. Bottom line is we have been saying the same thing.

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[quote=punch it in;963539]So NC - me gtripp goat and mechanix are fools for doubting Shanny but HTTR 24-7 is spot on?
Im confused.
Edit: not sure how u can agree with everything that HTTR 24-7 has said but than say he will leave a solid foundation for the next guy. Suddenly you say he will not succeed here - yet every post you have made says that he is succeeding here - you have said repeatedly he is on the rite track - did u mean the rite track to failure?[/quote]


You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.

I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy. It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.

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[quote=NC_Skins;963577]You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. [B]Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.[/B]I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


[B]The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy.[/B] It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.[/quote]

Fair enough - I dont think any of us would argue that he inherited a shit show.
Funny how you are labeled a "hater" when you are displeased with the win total going down - nobody expected a complete turnaround, a superbowl, or deep playoff runs. We simple expected a better product than what we have at year three - and it sounds like you expected the same.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963563]Scroll to the 2:15 mark

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It's in the presentation[/quote]

You just love that reference don't you?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;963585]You just love that reference don't you?[/quote]

It's my go to. I have others but I think that one best captures why some posters here are better than others even if the message is the same

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this

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[quote=SmootSmack;963563]Scroll to the 2:15 mark

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More like timing there buddy boy. Some of us saw things clearly way earlier, that's all. It would have taken just one "authority" figure on TWP to stop the nonsensical defending of this regime, but you all chose to keep up the charade. Can't put that on anybody else.

To his credit Tripp saw it first, or at least said so first.