Pastabelly thinks Patten will get axe
 

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He makes a good point, but I sure hope he doesn't get cut.

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Interesting take. I don't think a whole lot of thought or analysis went into that statement by Pastabelly, as usual. He pretty much just said that he thinks Patten is too pricey to be a 4th or 5th WR.

Price isn't an issue with the Skins for this coming season. They have the cap room needed to sign rookies and still have an injured reserve fund. It's not like cutting Patten will create cap room that is sorely needed. Miraculously (ahem, sarcasm), the team is fine on cap space.

So I think Patten goes to camp with the rest of the team and fights it out for a spot then. It will come down to Patten, Jacobs, Thrash and a bunch of newbies fighting it out for the #4 and #5 spots. My guess is Thrash stays on for special teams prowess, and Patten hangs on for one more year, providing the depth we need if we're going to be serious about spreading the field. Someone will have to step in if Moss, Lloyd, or Randle-El get hurt.

TJ's a goner, but Patten will stay.

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if patten or wynn were getting cut, I figure it would have already happened by now.

both are quality depth, if a bit overpaid. Gibbs likes good veteran presence though and seems to like having both of them around. cutting either loses team talent for no benefit; we're already under cap.

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[quote=Schneed10]Interesting take. I don't think a whole lot of thought or analysis went into that statement by Pastabelly, as usual. [/quote]

Especially since he says Patten got two touchdown last year, and I don't remember him getting any.

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I said it last week that I thought Patten could be a June 1 cut.

I don't think it's too crazy of an idea, we're pretty stocked at WR now and we could use his $$ elsewhere.

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[quote=Mattyk72]I said it last week that I thought Patten could be a June 1 cut.

I don't think it's too crazy of an idea, we're pretty stocked at WR now and we could use his $$ elsewhere.[/quote]

That assumes that talent will be available "elsewhere".

If we can cut him and pick up an offensive lineman who would provide rock solid depth and versatility, then I'd be all for the move. But Pasta's article tells us everything we need to know, there won't be too many quality players available after June 1. If we can find one, great. But I'm assuming it will be difficult, in which case we're better off just letting Patten come to camp.

Anything is possible. I guess we'll find out this week.

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We also have to remember how valuable depth is considering our WR troubles last year.

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I don't trust what pastabelly says anymore. He thinks Patten will get cut, but he also thinks that chocolate syrup makes a good marinade for steak.

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And Crisco is a good dipping sauce to dip the steak in.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]I don't trust what pastabelly says [B][I]anymore[/I][/B]. He thinks Patten will get cut, but he also thinks that chocolate syrup makes a good marinade for steak.[/quote]

Did you ever in the first place? LOL

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Did you ever in the first place? LOL[/quote]

I think in my younger and more impressionable days.

A few years ago it always seemed like he was at Redskins park, so I think I just assumed he had some clue.

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hes only at redskins park looking for leftovers

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it would be dumb to cut patten, especially since we don't need the money

if moss gets hurt, were definitely gonna need him...or if any of the receivers get hurt...

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Don't cut Patten, but maybe ESPN should cut Pastabelly. I think he is over paid and maybe ESPN could pick up a new journalist with the freed up cap space they will save. Just a thought.

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[quote=scowan]Don't cut Patten, but maybe ESPN should cut Pastabelly. I think he is over paid and maybe ESPN could pick up a new journalist with the freed up cap space they will save. Just a thought.[/quote]

You bring up a very interesting point, Scowan.

I would have to respectfully disagree. By cutting Pastabelly, the GDP we shrink and the economy would go into a tailspin!

[B][I][SIZE=3](Gross Domestic Pastabelly)[/SIZE][/I][/B]

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After Moss, Randle El and Lloyd, who is the best receiver among Patten, Thrash and Jacobs?

Advantage: Patten

Thrash is a standout on special teams, which will ultimately be what saves him -- but being a wideout who can consistently get open is not the reason he'll be back on the roster.

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I still think Patten is a quality receiver and is better than a 4th or 5th option so keeping him would be wise. We can afford it so I think he should definitely say since he would give us one of the deepest wide receiver corps in the league.

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[quote=CooleyAsCanBe]Especially since he says Patten got two touchdown last year, and I don't remember him getting any.[/quote]Probably both in the San Francisco game.

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[quote=CooleyAsCanBe]Especially since he says Patten got two touchdown last year, and I don't remember him getting any.[/quote]


Patten definitely didn't get in the endzone last year. Even in the SanFran blowout he only had 2 catches. Maybe we could try him on returns if gets any of his speed back from the knee injury. Since he is pretty much expendable now, we wouldn't have to worry too much about injuries like we would if ARE was back there.

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I hate seeing the revolving door send more and more purposely signs, trades, of old veterans that never played have to leave with millions. This case is a bit unfortuanate b/c I like Patten, but 9 games shouldnt cost us so much money, however, I think a trade for a CB, or even lineman would be needed yet Id like to see patten take less money and re-work his contract. He missed most last year most important playoff time, and now he overshadowed .Take less money, for less work. Or maybe for once the Skins can try to get a draft pick for next year and not pissing those away too.

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I think if we have an option to better use that roster spot, it ll be taken care of to fill it. Jacobs could also be moved.0Thrash uses his spot as a backup wr but is valued in special team coverage.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Probably both in the San Francisco game.[/quote]

The only TD I can remember Patten getting was one in Denver. Unfortunately for Mr. Patten he got called for a bullsh&t push-off call. He did touch his defender but not enough to warrant that flag. I think the 'Skins scored a TD on that drive anyway, so it wasn't too game-affecting.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]The only TD I can remember Patten getting was one in Denver. Unfortunately for Mr. Patten he got called for a bullsh&t push-off call. He did touch his defender but not enough to warrant that flag. I think the 'Skins scored a TD on that drive anyway, so it wasn't too game-affecting.[/quote]

"Game-affecting" like the "tuck rule?"

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I think that Gibbs and company have placed a premium on depth at a position where up to five of the same position can be on the field at the same time. Does it make sense to have a very good (if a little expensive) #4 WR? It does if you need to be in a four receiver set, and you'd rather throw to Patten than Taylor Jacobs, or James Thrash, or Antonio Brown, or Jimmy Farris.

The only way this move happens is if Patten asks to leave.

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Time will tell; but, what I got from this article was that June 1 was no longer the big deal for scarfing up a few good "cap casualty" players. I don't put too much stock in the sidebar of Patten as an example of someone who [I]might[/I] be a cap casualty. At $13 million, Patten is cheap. I'd rather have him in that role than Antonio Brown.

It's a long off-season, ain't it?

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With injuries a big issue in the league now, I can't see giving up a talent like Patten. He got a bum rap last season, but is talented and can stretch the field. A healthy Patten would have worked wonders down the road last season.

With Randle-El and Lloyd, Patten's going to fight for a spot...

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]"Game-affecting" like the "tuck rule?"[/quote]

Tuck rule? Was that game-affecting? I just assumed since Tom Brady was the greatest QB ever that he still would have done something to win the game.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]Tuck rule? Was that game-affecting? I just assumed since Tom Brady was the greatest QB ever that he still would have done something to win the game.[/quote]

I think he was talking about the tuck rule that saved jake plummer a Def fumble recovery for a TD in the skins-broncos game this year.

its such a stupid rule.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]it would be dumb to cut patten, especially since we don't need the money

if moss gets hurt, were definitely gonna need him...or if any of the receivers get hurt...[/QUOTE]


In Patten's case I don't think it's about the money, it's more about the roster spot. He will be the 4th or 5th receiver on the depth chart and does not play special teams. His salry is hefty for a player who does not play ST and will not be one of the top three at his position. We stand to loose however if we do cut him because of the bonus we signed him too last season.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs]I hate seeing the revolving door send more and more purposely signs, trades, of old veterans that never played have to leave with millions. This case is a bit unfortuanate b/c I like Patten, but 9 games shouldnt cost us so much money, however, I think a trade for a CB, or even lineman would be needed yet Id like to see patten take less money and re-work his contract. He missed most last year most important playoff time, and now he overshadowed .Take less money, for less work. Or maybe for once the Skins can try to get a draft pick for next year and not pissing those away too.[/quote]The only reason Patten missed the playoffs is because the Skins decided to out him on injury reserve. Patten did not have to TD's as whats his name said he had 2 completions over 20 yards which is right beside th TD stats. Such great reporting. I think Patten had an off year and if you go back and look at his number over the past six years they are good for a number 3 WR and ok for a 2. I think Patten will be more than motivated to come back this year and put up some good number and we may see more of him in the game plan.

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My take on all of this is that Patten will not be on the field that much, which could mean he has less chance of an injury and therefore might make it for 16 games. It would be great to have a veteran in the 4th WR position if someone like Moss or Lloyd or El gets hurt. Some of you may seem to forget that while guys like Moss and Lloyd are durable, last year was the first year that both of them started and/or played in 16 games (in a while). Any WR can be subject to injury like we saw with Patten last year. We need depth at WR, and I think Gibbs and Snyder saw that last year regardless of whither or not Patten is over paid. If Moss or Lloyd goes down to injury for several games in 06, we are all going to be glad we have a $1 million back-up who can step in and not cost the Skin much in production. Having to bring in Jacobs and Farris just killed them last year.

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I definitely agree that depth is key at WR especially after last year, but Patten is getting alot of jack for a 4th WR. Given his age and contract he could be gone especially if a free agent hits the wire that could fill a bigger need.

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[quote=Mattyk72]I definitely agree that depth is key at WR especially after last year, but Patten is getting alot of jack for a 4th WR. Given his age and contract he could be gone especially if a free agent hits the wire that could fill a bigger need.[/quote]

Matty, I would agree with you on the "better free agent being available" thing, if we can find a good one. But the Skins have done a pretty good job IMO of filling in our weaknesses so far. I don't know what player is going to jump out after the June 1 deadline that we could afford that would be better than keeping Patten. I just don't see that senerio happening.

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[quote=scowan]Matty, I would agree with you on the "better free agent being available" thing, if we can find a good one. But the Skins have done a pretty good job IMO of filling in our weaknesses so far. I don't know what player is going to jump out after the June 1 deadline that we could afford that would be better than keeping Patten. I just don't see that senerio happening.[/quote]

I agree, it would have to be a surprise cut, maybe a quality offensive lineman or something. We'll see.

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[quote=Longtimefan]In Patten's case I don't think it's about the money, it's more about the roster spot. He will be the 4th or 5th receiver on the depth chart and does not play special teams. His salry is hefty for a player who does not play ST and will not be one of the top three at his position. We stand to loose however if we do cut him because of the bonus we signed him too last season.[/quote]

good point, if he doesn't play spec. teams then somebody's gotta take up that slack. Usually a 4th wr is expected to play ST. Plus, the $ isn't as much since we're now into a new CBA & prices have all been inflated.
I see Patten making a few clutch catches this year. I have a feeling that the staff will want him around for his vet. leadership & practice habits, which I've read are pretty good. They're takin a chance on Loyd's personality & work ethic, so maybe havin patten around will be a good influence & also let him know that a competent backup is ready to take his place.

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they're keeping wynn at double his worth (as a starter) to be a backup. if you can overpay that much for quality DL depth, than patten's pay is chump change in comparision. He said that he doesn't want out, he's here to stay, so there's no reason to dump him right now.

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[quote=That Guy]they're keeping wynn at double his worth (as a starter) to be a backup. if you can overpay that much for quality DL depth, than patten's pay is chump change in comparision. He said that he doesn't want out, he's here to stay, so there's no reason to dump him right now.[/quote]

You're comparing different positions, we don't have nearly the depth at DE that we do at WR, making Wynn more valuable, plus he can play DT which increases his value.

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[quote=Mattyk72]You're comparing different positions, we don't have nearly the depth at DE that we do at WR, making Wynn more valuable, plus he can play DT which increases his value.[/quote]

wynn is also making a s**t ton more money than patten.

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[quote=That Guy]wynn is also making a s**t ton more money than patten.[/quote]

Who would you rather cut?