Time for some False Hope from Peter King
 

From today's [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/06/06/mmqbte/1.html"]MMQBTE[/URL] (emphasis mine):

[QUOTE]ART MONK TIME. From Steve Woods of Houston: "In response to your list of 10 players left out of the Hall of Fame, I have my own list (which I know you won't agree with):

1) Art Monk.
2) Art Monk.
3) Art Monk.
4) Art Monk.

You get my drift, and yes, I am a biased die-hard 'Skins fan. Monk had 940 career receptions, 12,000 career yards, with three Super Bowls rings. I think the presence of John Riggins on the goal line is a big reason why he didn't have quite as many touchdowns as you would have thought, given his other stats, although he does have more than several receivers already in, such as Stallworth and Swann. The guy was a tremendous player, who, in my opinion, was the heart and soul of the offense for much of the '80s. You can't do any more than that. It sure does seem like you have some sort of bias against the 'Skins, and Monk in particular, in recent years. I don't understand that. Are you a Cowboys fan?!? Please say it isn't so.''

Ain't so. I'm a fan of no football team. [I]You may be interested to know that I am going to rethink my position on Monk this year. I don't want to be so stuck in the mud on this issue that I close my mind to the possibility that I'm wrong and that Monk really does belong. So I'm going to sit down with Joe Gibbs when I see the Redskins this summer and try to soak in what the Monk side believes I am missing. A lot of people I respect tell me I'm dead wrong on Monk -- Len Shapiro, Mike Wilbon among them, plus quieter ones with close ties to the Hall. So I'll rethink my position and let you know what I come up with.[/I][/QUOTE]

Now, I'm sure we'll be treated to "Guys, I thought about it, and he still isn't there." But this is certainly better that the annual column that says "Art isn't good enough, and let me devote a page in the premier sports magazine to telling the nation why, but I don't have a horse in this race."

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At least he has said he'll rethink it, which is shocking in itself. I actually take that to be a good sign and that maybe Mr. Monk will finally get his due.

Just saw the other thread with the Art Monk or Michael Irvin HoF vote. It's now 70-30 Monk...

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/06/06/mmqbte/1.html[/url]

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it is 6/6/06. Hell must be getting chilly.

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[quote=FRPLG]it is 6/6/06. Hell must be getting chilly.[/quote]

good one.

I think it shows an incredible lack of integrity to print and say what he has about Monk, but endorse so many others who didn't make that the same impact, statistacally or otherwise. I believe it was Offiss on the other thread that really put Kings' hypocrosy in perspective the best.

He basically nominated Thurman Thomas, who in my opinion, is an underachiever. Yet King showers him with praise.

The more I read these threads, the more I'm convinced that "outsiders" are really getting a whiff of how Redskins Nation really feel about this topic.

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[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=12638&page=6[/url]

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whatever, I am just glad that all my death threats from little asian midgets are finally paying off.

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[quote=12thMan]good one.

I think it shows an incredible lack of integrity to print and say what he has about Monk, but endorse so many others who didn't make that the same impact, statistacally or otherwise. I believe it was Offiss on the other thread that really put Kings' hypocrosy in perspective the best.

He basically nominated Thurman Thomas, who in my opinion, is an underachiever. Yet King showers him with praise.

The more I read these threads, the more I'm convinced that "outsiders" are really getting a whiff of how Redskins Nation really feel about this topic.[/quote]wasnt thomas also convicted on drug charges? what is his fasination with addicts?

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In Kings article he talks about special teamer Steve Tasker and when he is finished he just sticks a small sentence in about Art Monk----

"Now on to other e-mails. And this is a big surprise: I got 16 million pieces of mail saying Art Monk should be in."


This is a big accomplishment from "US" the real fans that know a Hall of Famer like Art Monk when we see one. We finally got him to at least re-think his position, or at least that is what he is saying.

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[quote=Monk-Fan]In Kings article he talks about special teamer Steve Tasker and when he is finished he just sticks a small sentence in about Art Monk----

"Now on to other e-mails. And this is a big surprise: I got 16 million pieces of mail saying Art Monk should be in."


This is a big accomplishment from "US" the real fans that know a Hall of Famer like Art Monk when we see one. We finally got him to at least re-think his position, or at least that is what he is saying.[/quote]WOW Monk-fan, you're in korea??. the warpah knows no boundaries.

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Im in the military and over here for the next year so i wont be able to see as many games this year which pisses me off but on the bright side i will be back in time to see Art Monk inducted to the HoF. When i get back i will be in Cowboy country (Abiliene, Tx.) so you damn well know i will be at the games in Dallas wearing my Skins colors......

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It may be some false hope, but i'm the kind of person that gives second chances. Maybe Peter King will actually see the light. Or maybe he won't, he'll just vote Monk in because he's tired of getting millions of emails from diehard redskin fans telling him monk should be in.

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You guys really do give Peter King more credit than he deserves. Seriously, he isn't THE guy that's keeping Monk out. There are other voters who don't see Monk fit to be in the hall. I don't agree with it but that's life. The biggest issue I see with the whole thing is that people make it a bigger deal than it aught to be. Maybe it's just something to talk about in the offseason when news is slow?

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[quote=saden1]You guys really do give Peter King more credit than he deserves. Seriously, he isn't THE guy that's keeping Monk out. There are other voters who don't see Monk fit to be in the hall. I don't agree with it but that's life. The biggest issue I see with the whole thing is that people make it a bigger deal than it aught to be. Maybe it's just something to talk about in the offseason when news is slow?[/quote]

i know this is a rumor, but i heard that Peter King does have a big influence on some HOF voters, and when he doesn't think that Monk should be in, the other voters use his opinion to help their vote as well.

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^^^ Yup. That is the problem.

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[QUOTE=saden1]You guys really do give Peter King more credit than he deserves. Seriously, he isn't THE guy that's keeping Monk out. There are other voters who don't see Monk fit to be in the hall. I don't agree with it but that's life. The biggest issue I see with the whole thing is that people make it a bigger deal than it aught to be. Maybe it's just something to talk about in the offseason when news is slow?[/QUOTE]
Peter King has a lot more influence than you give him credit for, as I detailed [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=149989&postcount=2"]here[/URL].

The guy is alnost certainly the biggest name in the room when the voting committee meets. (See [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/selectionprocess.jsp"]this list[/URL].) That gives him an enormous amount of sway with the other voters on issues they don't feel passionate about. He's managing editor for HBO's Inside the NFL, and a senior writer for Sports Illustrated - the largest sports magazine in the world. If you don't think Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch doesn't give Peter King's opinion a little more weight than that of whatever jerk-off they sent from Jacksonville, you should not be allowed to drive a car.

EDIT: It's come to my attention that Sam Kouvaris of WJXT-TV is [u]not[/u] a jerk-off. He serves on the Board of Directors for several charities in North Florida, and annually hosts the Children's Miracle Network Broadcast in Jacksonville. Sam’s annual golf tournament is held each May and benefits Dreams Come True. He is also active at St. Josephs Parish. He also graduated from the University of Maryland, and we all know no one bad ever came from there. Other than that, I stand by my assessment.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Peter King has a lot more influence than you give him credit for, as I detailed [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=149989&postcount=2"]here[/URL].

The guy is alnost certainly the biggest name in the room when the voting committee meets. (See [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/selectionprocess.jsp"]this list[/URL].) That gives him an enormous amount of sway with the other voters on issues they don't feel passionate about. He's managing editor for HBO's Inside the NFL, and a senior writer for Sports Illustrated - the largest sports magazine in the world. If you don't think Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch doesn't give Peter King's opinion a little more weight than that of whatever jerk-off they sent from Jacksonville, you should not be allowed to drive a car.[/QUOTE]

Does Peter King feed them all? Cuts their paychecks? I mean, come on, unless Peter King has the power to throw someone out of the committee I don't see why anyone in that committee wouldn't vote the way they felt! If you really think that being a managing Editor of Inside the NFL with it's measly audience and a senior "FOOTBALL" writer at SI gives him that much power and cred I think perhaps you need to get your head checked.

Cut the conspiracy bullshit folks. Monk simply isn't getting in because not enough of the committee members think he deserves it or have their own agenda. It's as simple as that.

p.s. Len "Fat F*ck" Pasquarelli is on there and you know that bastard is a hatter.

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Today's sportswriters are not going to keep Art Monk out of the Hall. I think and I hope. It just might take a few more years.

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Jerkoffs!

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[quote=12thMan]good one.

I think it shows an incredible lack of integrity to print and say what he has about Monk, but endorse so many others who didn't make that the same impact, statistacally or otherwise. I believe it was Offiss on the other thread that really put Kings' hypocrosy in perspective the best.

He basically nominated Thurman Thomas, who in my opinion, is an underachiever. Yet King showers him with praise.

The more I read these threads, the more I'm convinced that "outsiders" are really getting a whiff of how Redskins Nation really feel about this topic.[/quote]

In the dictionary next to "underachiever" you will see Thomas' picture. He nor his team ever showed up on Super Sunday. On the other hand, you have a talented, "go to guy" who set records, was the classiest of acts and was the backbone of a Super Bowl franchise; who gets dissed every year. The HOF is no longer based on what you did on the field. It is all about the press you got. Art was quiet about what he did because he did it within a team structure. Looks like he will pay the price for not tooting his own horn often enough.... and that is WRONG!!!

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[QUOTE=saden1]Does Peter King feed them all? Cuts their paychecks? I mean, come on, unless Peter King has the power to throw someone out of the committee I don't see why anyone in that committee wouldn't vote the way they felt! If you really think that being a managing Editor of Inside the NFL with it's measly audience and a senior "FOOTBALL" writer at SI gives him that much power and cred I think perhaps you need to get your head checked.

Cut the conspiracy bullshit folks. Monk simply isn't getting in because not enough of the committee members think he deserves it or have their own agenda. It's as simple as that.

p.s. Len "Fat F*ck" Pasquarelli is on there and you know that bastard is a hatter.[/QUOTE]
It has been reported that King does in fact have a significant amunt of sway in the room. The way the process works is that the final 15 players are each presented and for the first few years of Monks eligibility the biggest voice of dissent was King. essentially he got up every time and railed until he got enough people to agree. Something tells me that almost any player could be kept out if one respected person made a strong and passionate enough argument to do so. Now he has brainwashed enough people that he no longer needs to rail every year. The process is screwy.

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Does anyone have a list of hall of fame voters?
It's insane that he isn't in.
I will make the trip also when Monk gets in.
Like to see entire redskins organization try to get like 100,000 people to go.
Have to hold it at a speedway.
hahahhahahahahha.
Gonna be huge. Atleast in my heart. I saw Monk play almost every game. He didn't make shit for money and he gave his all every play without ever being a bitch like so many players in the league today. Went over the middle again and again. Let's all promise to take our families and all redskins gear to canton next year! I'm in. God bless Art Monk.

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Does anyone have a list of hall of fame voters?
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/selectionprocess.jsp[/url]

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[QUOTE=Monk-Fan]In Kings article he talks about special teamer Steve Tasker and when he is finished he just sticks a small sentence in about Art Monk----

"Now on to other e-mails. And this is a big surprise: I got 16 million pieces of mail saying Art Monk should be in."


This is a big accomplishment from "US" the real fans that know a Hall of Famer like Art Monk when we see one. We finally got him to at least re-think his position, or at least that is what he is saying.[/QUOTE]

Did you read the next page? He devotes a decent-sized chunk to the Art Monk debate.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]It has been reported that King does in fact have a significant amunt of sway in the room. The way the process works is that the final 15 players are each presented and for the first few years of Monks eligibility the biggest voice of dissent was King. essentially he got up every time and railed until he got enough people to agree. Something tells me that almost any player could be kept out if one respected person made a strong and passionate enough argument to do so. Now he has brainwashed enough people that he no longer needs to rail every year. The process is screwy.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case then I hate King even more than I thought. How on earth could anyone have something against Art Monk? He was such a class act and his stats don't lie.

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I read the whole article mheisig. No one had said anything about that little quote and i wanted to put in the forum.

16 MILLION emails??? Do you think he was being sarcastic? Damn his inbox must have taken a long time to clear out!!!!

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At least he's willing to keep an open mind about it, that's all we can ask at this point.

Monk will get in eventually, the landslide of support is starting to build. I think that's something the Hall voters look for, are the fans passionate about a guy getting in.

I think they're starting to see that passion for Monk.

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[quote=Mattyk72]At least he's willing to keep an open mind about it, that's all we can ask at this point.

[B][I] Monk will get in eventually[/I][/B], the landslide of support is starting to build. I think that's something the Hall voters look for, are the fans passionate about a guy getting in.

I think they're starting to see that passion for Monk.[/quote]

yeah, king cant live forever

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[QUOTE=PWNED]yeah, king cant live forever[/QUOTE]


You are right on! The phrase "Long live the King!" doesn't mean he will live forever.
The only king living forever, is the King of Kings! All the rest are in their grave.

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Who cares about the HOF?

I have become so sick and tired of all of this nonsense. A group of fatass no-nothing sports writers don't have to validate your career to make you a success. Regardless of how those idiots (and others) feel, Monk was one of the greatest NFL players of ALL TIME.

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[QUOTE=TheInspector]Who cares about the HOF?

I have become so sick and tired of all of this nonsense. A group of fatass no-nothing sports writers don't have to validate your career to make you a success. Regardless of how those idiots (and others) feel, Monk was one of the greatest NFL players of ALL TIME.[/QUOTE]

But...but...it's the Hall of FAME! If you want fame don't you have to be in the Hall of Fame? I mean the amount of fame you can get is much lower if you're only in the Kitchen of Fame, or the Bathroom of Fame. You gotta be in the HALL man, the Hall.

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I just sent Peter King a nice little email. Whether he reads it or not, I really don't care...as long as he knows there are "16,000,001" pissed off fans for not voting for Art Monk.

One of the things I did mention to him was that while he denies not being a fan of any football team, the perception out there is that he tends to favor the Giants and their former players/coaches for some reason.

I don't know....this whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]One of the things I did mention to him was that while he denies not being a fan of any football team, the perception out there is that he tends to favor the Giants and their former players/coaches for some reason.

I don't know....this whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.[/QUOTE]

I have an incredibly hard time believing that anyone who's professional job it is to write about, critique and follow football year in and year out, isn't a fan of ANY team. That's just so far from plausible in my book.

The guy is paid to live, breathe, eat and sleep football, and he doesn't have a favorite team??? :bs: