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Started this thread in anticipation of a loss.

How many punts did the Giants have? Zero until the 4th quarter.

Its as though we have only two smart players on D - Taylor and Washington. The line sucks, the secondary sucks. Springs' absence is not an excuse for this pi$$ poor display.

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Our offense is flaky too. It sucks right about now.

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Our D is bad right now. As in it is bad enough that we will not be able to win games consistently with the D like this. Williams needs to figure something out.

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Some of our big dollar pick ups on Defense are killing us right now.

1) Andre Carter has been a huge waste salary cap space. I have held back to see what he can do before critizing him. This is week five and he has done nothing. Today he was burned for some big runs (sweeps) around his end. He is getting manhandled in the running game. He is currently not a full time starter. I always said since we got Carter we should platoon him, Renaldo Wynn on run downs and Carter on pass plays. Wynn is a great run stopping DE and coach Williams is not paying him enough. .

2) We over paid for Archuleta. Plain and simple.

3) Because we have so much cap space tied up on players that are not producing (Carter, Arch, Randle El and Lloyd) we had no cap space left to sign an elite CB and a coverage SS which what we most needed.

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this was what i was most afraid of.

even before pre-season, i was worried when i saw us shed so so many stalwart defensive backs and only get Archuleta in the off-season. i always said our defense hinged on 31 year old, nagging injury prone, Springs and that that wasn't a good position to be in.

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our defense is so bad that my dead great-great-great-great grandma could cover burress better than the whole redskins secondary!

also how bad were dick stockton and that other guy, they seemed really bias toward the giants. terrible game all around!

they were like afraid to put pressure on eli "silver spoon" manning. ihate the giants more than the cowboys now! not even kidding

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The defense was awful. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't stop the pass. We couldn't hit the quarterback. We couldn't tackle the ball carriers. We couldn't stop them on 3rd down.

Carlos Rogers is shaping up to be nickel-back. Certainly wasn't worth the 9th overall pick when Merriman, Ware, etc. were on the board. Archuleta was overpaid. Our secondary is just flat out awful and our defensive line is as bad.

These guys better turn things around fast. A 2-3 start can be overcome, but a 0-2 divisional record is a recipe for disaster, especially in this division.

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[quote=hurrykaine;225484]Started this thread in anticipation of a loss.

How many punts did the Giants have? Zero until the 4th quarter.

Its as though we have only two smart players on D - Taylor and Washington. The line sucks, the secondary sucks. Springs' absence is not an excuse for this pi$$ poor display.[/quote]
WTF!! You make us all proud. Anticipation?....
Srry..part of the vent process. Attack the 1s you love 1st...

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Check my previous posts. I am pleased(well not at the moment) that we are 2-3. Was my preseason prediction, 5 weeks, to get this offense rolling. Hehe...maybe a different outcome week 4, but i fully expected to lose to Dallas and G-men away...well maybe not G-men as they in disaray, and not score 3 points. Anyway, we suck in NY bottom line. Regroup, Tenn. is in trouble!!!! I believe we are in a great position right now. Yes i know, cellar, but home games are home games. We win our home games vs East and we on top. I'm just glad we have gotten ssomething going at all this year already with this complex Offense. hang in there guys. The show is about to START soon.:)

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they converted every 3rd down they needed to, and it was infuriating. no pressure on the qb, and it looks like we are playing with no corners because there is never any coverage. what the fuk is going on? this inconsistancy in our team is driving me crazy

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I know the offense was bad (attributable to poor offensive line play), but when you surrender 7-8 min long TD drives, and can't force a punt, its on the defense.

I'm not yet ready to throw in the towel for the season until the Dallas game. If we lose to Dallas, that's 0-3 in the division, and 0-4 in the conference, which sadly means no playoffs.

The D has regressed every season since 2004. In 2004, we were exceptional. In 2005, we were good (and finished the season strong). In 2006, we have been plain bad. As well as Lemar Marshall has played for us, I think letting Pierce go was a big mistake. Think of what the linebacking corps would've been with Washington, Pierce and Marshall.

A win against Tennessee at home, but this secondary will be eaten alive in Indy. 3-4 going into week 8 is not bad at all, but after that, we need to clean out everybody in the division to have a shot of making the playoffs.

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i honestly think GW's game plan wasn't too bad... i know everyone wants pressure all the time, but Manning is extremely good under pressure. i think the secondary would have been even more exposed today had the safeties and backers blitzed. the score would have been worse than it was.

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i think this loss is bigger than last years versus the giants

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Our defense interiorly is weaker, slower and undersized in anymatchup vs. OL.
There are so many discipline problems with the D- I am embarassed to be a supporter of the colors. As I have said before [B]this Defense is Vaginal (our offense is impotent). [/B]
Instead of adapting to our weakness' GWilliams would rather carry on as if we are fully intact and as ruthless and intimidating as ever. THAT IS THE MOST CRUCIAL ANALYSIS of WHY OUR PHILOSOPHY CONTINUES with such aggressiveness.
This team needs and F'N should have known from day 1, "Springs is out" sorry we can't blitz and take chances in 1 on 1's. Why is that?, b/c we just brought in Wright, Fox, Doughty, Archuletta, Rumph and other average/below average talents who have to learn our style,language, and presence. They arent even better tacklers than Springs or Prioleua. Im just upset that they are putting a team and gameplan they call "competent and able" when it is "disgracing and self destructive"
Why arent we switching to a 3-4 in more packages??? Let our LB cause disruption, DL isnt!, where is Rocky? I would like to see our LB even drop back into coverage. If this teams DL will not get to the QB on their own, then why are dismantling our coverage to make up for that??
It seems evident that we should force teams to run (our strength) and not send so much pressure-- It is taking us out of the game leaving responsibilities to guys like Wright/Rumph who need a Chaperone on every play. Sure leave the most unreliable guys back there to guard the 1st down or endzone.
Unbelievable, [B]this team is coaching itself out of games[/B] and away from progressingto being a consistent unit.

The answer for next year has to be 3-4. I just dont understand why have an extra ineffective DT on the field (ehem.... Salavae ty)

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[quote=itvnetop;225659]i honestly think GW's game plan wasn't too bad... i know everyone wants pressure all the time, but Manning is extremely good under pressure. i think the secondary would have been even more exposed today had the safeties and backers blitzed. the score would have been worse than it was.[/quote]

Score would have been worse had the Giants needed a reason to score or felt threatened by us at all. Instead, they kept it simple and within their element of comfortability, took no risk, and stayed in the game and ahead.

Tackling today was enough to today to strip any hidden pride harbored in the defense to be vanished for the remaining of the year.

I would feel better if the team issued a statement when reality hits that playoffs and beyond arent happening this year. Instead they lose and Fuck it up and let their actions do the talking.

I am giving up, my Sundays are gonna be better spent not watching these games.

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When is Rogers going to catch a damn ball. I have never in my life seen a corner consistently drop so many passes that have hit right in the damn mits!

It's getting old, week after week!

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[quote=12thMan;225676]When is Rogers going to catch a damn ball. I have never in my life seen a corner consistently drop so many passes that have hit right in the damn mits!

It's getting old, week after week![/quote]

Had he caught that the tempo, attitude, gameplan of both teams, and mometum would have been in our favor. Way to rise to the occasion Redskins.
Typical fashion has returned of not seizing the moment to put ourselves in better places to win.

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It's hard to find any positives I know, but how about Taylor stripping Tiki of the ball trying to make something happen? He did his part there, if a teammate jumps on that ball it's a whole other ballgame

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;225679]It's hard to find any positives I know, but how about Taylor stripping Tiki of the ball trying to make something happen? He did his part there, if a teammate jumps on that ball it's a whole other ballgame[/QUOTE]

2nd time he's done that this season. amazing to watch. sucks we couldn't capitalize in either game. its what happens when you're surrounded by career backups Wright, Rumph and yes Rogers.

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How bad is our defense?

VERY BAD...enough said

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You can attack the defense's play all day long, but not many teams win games when they can only muster 3 points on the board. We have all these offensive weapons and that's the best we can do?

Sadly, Brunell reverted to his form of the first two games today. He had at least two passes that should have been picked but were not. And the O-line played poorly too. The only player on "O" who stepped up was Cooley.

The "D" didn't play well either, but they still held one of the league's best offenses to 19 points and 1 TD.

On a lot of days, that should be enough to win. But not when your offense can't do squat.

Today, the Skins didn't play with any fire or passion, unlike last week. Hard to stomach when you're playing an important divisional opponent.

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Let us not forget that it was our best defensive player that got burnt down the middle of the field and then again for the td. All around shitty day for all three phases, but this defense is among the leagues worst.

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[quote=TAFKAS;225679]It's hard to find any positives I know, but how about Taylor stripping Tiki of the ball trying to make something happen? He did his part there, if a teammate jumps on that ball it's a whole other ballgame[/quote]

I think his unbreakable habbit thinking he is indestructible and missing tackles, and not even trying to wrapup defenders out weighs a strip any day. Thats like being okay with him helping time to time but more regularly passing the buck off to someone else who more than likely isnt in position to even help and stop. He lacks fundamentals and discipline to have respect in that manner.

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Taylor didn't miss any tackles those times, he'd strip them on their way down.

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[quote=illdefined;225691]Taylor didn't miss any tackles those times, he'd strip them on their way down.[/quote]

No im talking about sean taylor of the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=LadyT;225685]The "D" didn't play well either, but they still held one of the league's best offenses to 19 points and 1 TD.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if "held" is necessarily the right word here. Did they hold or did the Giants O just not get it done in the red zone?

Plus the D gave up a 98 yard drive near the end of the first half that resulted in 3 more points than it should have. And they kicked off the 3rd quarter letting the Giants embark on an 8-minute drive resulting in a TD.

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[quote=TAFKAS;225693]I don't know if "held" is necessarily the right word here. Did they hold or did the Giants O just not get it done in the red zone?

Plus the D gave up a 98 yard drive near the end of the first half that resulted in 3 more points than it should have. And they kicked off the 3rd quarter letting the Giants embark on an 8-minute drive resulting in a TD.[/quote]

Yeah I think we were lucky to "hold" them to 19. We could have easily lost by alot more. If anyone is feeling good about the D today they need to have their head examined.

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The defense couldn't get the Giants off the field, it's true. This is very frustrating to watch, but I can't blame this loss primarily on the defense. If someone had told me that the Giants were only going to score 19 points, I would have been pleasantly surprised and would have assumed we win the game.

In addition, if the offense shows up, I doubt we would have given up that many points. The offensive line is just too damn inconsistent. One week they're great and the next they're the worst in the league. I just don't get it. Who are the leaders of that group. It can't be Jansen because he's the epitome of inconsistency. Plus, he's off to Michigan every chance he gets. Somebody needs to start calling these people out. If we're going to play like this we may as well get Norv Turner back and really do it right.

You can see how the season will go. They'll beat Tenessee and everyone will tell them how great they are. Smiles all around and no preparation. Then they'll lose to Indy and on through to the end. You know what that comes to? 8 and 8. Unacceptable.

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[quote=TAFKAS;225693]I don't know if "held" is necessarily the right word here. Did they hold or did the Giants O just not get it done in the red zone?

Plus the D gave up a 98 yard drive near the end of the first half that resulted in 3 more points than it should have. And they kicked off the 3rd quarter letting the Giants embark on an 8-minute drive resulting in a TD.[/quote]

With the ball control being even more of a threat to us and ally to them did we threaten or force them to have to be physical, or play without caution or urgency????
Consuming so much time off the clock and driving downfield took more out of us and even FG's were TOO difficult to overcome. We coached ourselves out of the game. In saying that, maybe you all dont agree. But even if the Giants just had a better plan and executed it that would still support that we were outcoached. Every where we tried to go we were met with force and never turned around to disrupt their Offensive dominance as they rammed it up the Skins ASS. They got raped and bullied all day. We are somebodies bitch in this NFC EAST prison SHOWER.

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[quote=70Chip;225696]The defense couldn't get the Giants off the field, it's true. This is very frustrating to watch, but I can't blame this loss primarily on the defense. If someone had told me that the Giants were only going to score 19 points, I would have been pleasantly surprised and would have assumed we win the game.

In addition, if the offense shows up, I doubt we would have given up that many points. The offensive line is just too damn inconsistent. One week they're great and the next they're the worst in the league. I just don't get it. Who are the leaders of that group. It can't be Jansen because he's the epitome of inconsistency. Plus, he's off to Michigan every chance he gets. Somebody needs to start calling these people out. If we're going to play like this we may as well get Norv Turner back and really do it right.

You can see how the season will go. They'll beat Tenessee and everyone will tell them how great they are. Smiles all around and no preparation. Then they'll lose to Indy and on through to the end. You know what that comes to? 8 and 8. Unacceptable.[/quote]

Unacceptable indeed. FUCK THEM. I never would have thought we would try to run so many counters against a team with a solid pair of DE's and 2 LB's. The weak spot was the middle of their DL and getting a blocker on Pierce should have been the point of attack. We acquired TJ who should have been implemented by now to combat and be payback to their defense in the same way Jacobs can take so much fight and energy out of defenses. This game was it. unless the team can finish 11-0,10-1,9-2,8-3 the season is over and the way it is shaping hopefully we save face and make it to 8-8. Will this team should we drop too far out, finally sit Mark down and publicly blame him in this act and invest in Jason ??? I do think all this will come to pass.

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We're not very good right now that's for sure, but we are what we are until we can get better. The question becomes, how do we get better? Can GW get the guys we have to play better, or is there a possibility of help from another source? It's difficult to make deals at this time in the season, and there aren't any good players walking the street. It could be we have to suffer with what we have until such time we can do better though that senerio does not offer us much hope for the immediate future.

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Getting Shawn Springs back will make a huge difference for us, because we were not able to be ourselves - rushing the passer with such effectiveness, instead having to stay back and protect the corners. The defense has a hard time changing its approach and I think it takes some of the enthusiasm away from the players.

Carlos Rogers isn't developing as fast as I would have liked, but he clearly has extraordinary physical talent and I just think he isn't comfortable yet enough with the Williams defense to play up to his ability.

Obviously we needed to pay more attention to depth at corner. But not only is Springs out but so is Prioleau, leaving Archuleta in on passing downs in a defense he doesn't yet understand.

These problems really show up against a team with outstanding receivers like the Giants have.

Hopefully we will pull up to 3-3, our team will become all the more focused on being comfortable in the scheme, maybe through simplification like the Giants did, Springs will come back in a few weeks, and we will make another late run at the playoffs.

Next year will be our Super Bowl chance - this year it looks like the Bears will at least be the heavy favorites for the NFC.

Hope is on the way. Pray for Springs to heal fast!

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;225701]Unacceptable indeed. FUCK THEM. I never would have thought we would try to run so many counters against a team with a solid pair of DE's and 2 LB's. The weak spot was the middle of their DL and getting a blocker on Pierce should have been the point of attack. We acquired TJ who should have been implemented by now to combat and be payback to their defense in the same way Jacobs can take so much fight and energy out of defenses. This game was it. unless the team can finish 11-0,10-1,9-2,8-3 the season is over and the way it is shaping hopefully we save face and make it to 8-8. Will this team should we drop too far out, finally sit Mark down and publicly blame him in this act and invest in Jason ??? I do think all this will come to pass.[/quote]
I agree with the run game analagy totaly my friend. Seemed like some plays Pierce wasn't even accounted for. Yet we still have these guys and the Boys at home, Tenn next week, we are just fine. Offense is learning still. D is HORRID. I know it's a stupid statement to talk of learning after what we did to Jaguars, but that was a home game, and our minds are always elsewhere in NY for some reason!!! I AM ANGRY!!..I dont think J. Cambell is not an answer at this point though. GW needs to re-evaluate his system with vs his talent. At least he stopped safety blitzes. Who knows what the answers are, but my finger is pointing to greg at the moment.

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Sad times. It wasn't our day today.... :(

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[quote=Alvin#40;225708]I agree with the run game analagy totaly my friend. Seemed like some plays Pierce wasn't even accounted for. Yet we still have these guys and the Boys at home, Tenn next week, we are just fine. Offense is learning still. D is HORRID. I know it's a stupid statement to talk of learning after what we did to Jaguars, but that was a home game, and our minds are always elsewhere in NY for some reason!!! I AM ANGRY!!..I dont think J. Cambell is not an answer at this point though. GW needs to re-evaluate his system with vs his talent. At least he stopped safety blitzes. Who knows what the answers are, but my finger is pointing to greg at the moment.[/quote]

You shouldnt look for an answer, this season is done. unless we go:
11-0
10-1
9-2
8-3
Now does anyone even think the "Redskins" aren't destined to be the laughing stock of the league finding new and innovative ways to choke and disappoint???????

I believe they are the Redskins. And they do what Redskins do. Redskins talk the talk and walk and get raped by bonga bonga.

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Not very good. No pass rush. Bad coverage by the secondary. Mediocre tackling.

Right now, it looks like to of our big signings are busts.

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Can we all accept the fact that no one is going to trade us even a decent nickel-back at this point in the season? This is not fantasy football. We're stuck with the ones we have. No team that has decent corners is going to give us one in exchange for our third (possibly fourth?) running back. Help is not on the way. The only team foolish enough to allow top-flite corners to get away is the Washington Redskins.

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I think the Ade deserves a start

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[quote=TAFKAS;225722]I think the Ade deserves a start[/quote]

Yes. At least when he gets beat it's close. Do they even use him on defense or is he purely special teams right now? A little help?

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The D is fckn BRUTAL.

I've never seen such a shtty secondary. Taylor can't play the long ball, Rogers can't cover or catch the ball, and they're the 2 best guys we have back there!

If they try, the Colts might score 100 on us.