ROMO??? Why not JC???
 

FIRST, I want to say that I am not sold on Romo being that great, I am not saying that he will be playing in the pro-bowl (so if you do have a bad comment about his play save it to yourself, I am talking about QB changes here), but here what I do see, he did OK against a good D.

This is intersting since Dallas has to play Washington next Sunday. This reassures me that Jason Campbell would actually do better than MB. If not, then you will know little more about your QB of the future and if you might have to draft another one.

I mean in the preseason JC would play in the 3rd or 4th quarter against the 2nd or 3rd Defense and he still didn't look like he could play that well.

The otehr thing is the play-calling, I was watching Redskins pregame on Fox5 and they were talking about how AS is not the one calling the plays, I mean he is calling them but with restrictions. They were saying that they plays the Redskins are running right now are very similar to the ones last year. They said the Gibbs is not letting AS open-up his play-book.

I have to be honest that I was not looking forward to the game next Sunday, but now it will be worth watching, who knows any given sunday a team could win. I am not saying that Dallas will win but hey at least it LOOKS LIKE we have a shot at a chance. Meanwhile, the G-wimps will have an easy game against the Texans, I hate them just as much as you guys do.

I think changes are good sometimes regardless of the position and I think JC deserves a shot. Look at Leinart now or remeber Roethlisberger when he was a rookie, Chris Simms did OK, Delhome did OK, Jason Campbell should be a starter.

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Not to say that Romo didn't play well, but if I'm Gregg Williams and I need to save the season, I'm thanking the football gods that I get to face Tony Romo and not Drew Bledsoe next week. Williams' defense hasn't confused anyone this year, and with Romo who is still very green, he gets another shot.

Jason Campbell will not make his first start against a division rival. He may play some in relief this week, but only if the situation appears dire.

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sucks to say, but i thought Romo looked fantastic for his first start. fresh legs, fresh arm and fresh eyes. he scrambled for firsts, threw on the move, and used the entire field.

unlike Brunell and Bledsoe, he'd lock on to his receiver right after the drop (as Madden also astutely noted), and would gun it to his primary option in tight spaces. the result was T.O.'s best game ever as a Cowboy.

if Moss and Cooley caught as many in a game as T.O. and Whitten did tonight, we'd have a very different record, even with our beleagured defense.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;236126]Jason Campbell will not make his first start against a division rival. He may play some in relief this week, but only if the situation appears dire.[/QUOTE]

i agree Gibbs won't start him next week, but how much *more* dire is dire enough?

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why does AL Saunders continue to get a free pass? everyone looking for every reason in the world on why this offense is clicking. how about utilizing the players that we have, and not the ones we don't have. and our play calling has left alittle to be desired. i know for a fact that they ran the ball in Kansas city

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I can say this. If the Cowboys go up by a couple of touchdowns or we have any problems scoring at all, I would hate to be Mark Brunell. FedEx will be getting ugly fast and calling for Brunell's head (even if it's our defenses fault).

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Romo provides a spark to the Cowboys in a way Brunell never could for the Skins (other than one game last year). That said, I hope Tony falls flat on his face Sunday. It's Dallas Week!

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Romo scares me far more than Bledoe. Just as Campbell should scare the Cowboys far more than Brunell.

Campbell and Romo are very similiar -- Campbell just has a better arm.

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Look at Gibbs avatars. Thats the way he looks all game long. No passion no concern no urgency no excitement no interest no winning record. This is why will not see JC.

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[QUOTE=Fan4Life;236150]Look at Gibbs avatars. Thats the way he looks all game long. No passion no concern no urgency no excitement no interest no winning record. This is why will not see JC.[/QUOTE]

So what you're saying is that Gibbs couldn't care less about what's happening. That he puts forth no effort into this organization. That he'd rather be at home watching reruns of The Cosby Show...

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[quote=TAFKAS;236157]So what you're saying is that Gibbs couldn't care less about what's happening. That he puts forth no effort into this organization. That he'd rather be at home watching reruns of The Cosby Show...[/quote]
Not at all...Im sure he cares but as a fan Id like to see more emotion. As im sure we all would. And Id say its a safe bet the players would too. The fought the guts out thing is old. Look at other coaches when a player F____ up. They get in their faces,stomp,throw things. Im not saying acting like an ass on the sideline would work but if Gibbs went postal a few times maybe the team would try harder. Hell im grasping for straws I know but just like any skin fan thats what we have to do.

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[quote=Fan4Life;236150]Look at Gibbs avatars. Thats the way he looks all game long. No passion no concern no urgency no excitement no interest no winning record. This is why will not see JC.[/quote]

What will more emotion from Gibbs accomplish other than making you feel better? You're basically asking him to be something he's not. He's always been stone faced in times of success or failure. That's just how he is, always even keeled.

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[quote=Mattyk72;236174]What will more emotion from Gibbs accomplish other than making you feel better? You're basically asking him to be something he's not. He's always been stone faced in times of success or failure. That's just how he is, always even keeled.[/quote]
He wasnt stone faced when we beat dallas last year. I thought he was gonna shit himself. I just dont see why so many people are defending EVERY thing he does. Im not gonna go into things that have been discussed a 1000 times but its tempting. Well one thing. If it aint broke dont fix it. Al Saunders.

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[quote=Fan4Life;236180]He wasnt stone faced when we beat dallas last year. I thought he was gonna shit himself. I just dont see why so many people are defending EVERY thing he does. Im not gonna go into things that have been discussed a 1000 times but its tempting. Well one thing. If it aint broke dont fix it. Al Saunders.[/quote]

Sure but that was a rare moment and very deserving of a celebration.

I'm not trying to defend everything he does, I'm just trying to figure out what stomping about or getting in players' faces will accomplish. You're the one that threw that out there, so I'd just like to hear some rationale behind it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;236183]Sure but that was a rare moment and very deserving of a celebration.

I'm not trying to defend everything he does, I'm just trying to figure out what stomping about or getting in players' faces will accomplish. You're the one that threw that out there, so I'd just like to hear some rationale behind it.[/quote]
I dont guess it is rational. It would just be a change. Being calm all the time and bragging on players when they suck isnt working. So why not go ape shit a few times. Like I said Im just fishing in the dark.

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Our staff already has some fiery coaches. Williams, Lindsey, and Saunders, are all guys that bark and get on their players. In the end things like pep talks and yelling and screaming only goes so far.

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[quote=Mattyk72;236194]Our staff already has some fiery coaches. Williams, Lindsey, and Saunders, are all guys that bark and get on their players. In the end things like pep talks and yelling and screaming only goes so far.[/quote]
If an employee at any job wasnt up to par in their duties and was constantly being told he had better do a better job or else but no repercussions came from it 9 times outta 10 that person would continue to do half assed work because he knows he can get away with it. But if the CEO,president whatever the case may be came in and said look ya slack bastard do your job right or your will be demoted,fired,etc... It may change their tune.

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[QUOTE=Fan4Life;236201]If an employee at any job wasnt up to par in their duties and was constantly being told he had better do a better job or else but no repercussions came from it 9 times outta 10 that person would continue to do half assed work because he knows he can get away with it. But if the CEO,president whatever the case may be came in and said look ya slack bastard do your job right or your will be demoted,fired,etc... It may change their tune.[/QUOTE]

We're making the assumption though that Gibbs is the same way behind closed doors. Just because he's not punching podiums a la Dennis Green during press conferences doesn't mean he's not getting in players' faces at practice and in the locker room.

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[quote=TAFKAS;236202]We're making the assumption though that Gibbs is the same way behind closed doors. Just because he's not punching podiums a la Dennis Green during press conferences doesn't mean he's not getting in players' faces at practice and in the locker room.[/quote]

I agree. I think Gibbs is fiery behind the scenes based on stories that appeared in the paper throughout his career.

Now, I would like to see the players such as Mark Brunell be fired up during the game. I think that would inspire his teammates. With no Skins game yesterday, I watched Michael Vick play. He really was into the game yesterday. And, he led his team to victory against a 4-2 Bengals team at home. The QB needs to be a leader, not someone who goes through the motions.

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[quote=TAFKAS;236202]We're making the assumption though that Gibbs is the same way behind closed doors. Just because he's not punching podiums a la Dennis Green during press conferences doesn't mean he's not getting in players' faces at practice and in the locker room.[/quote]
You are right. Just assumptions. But it would be nice (dont have to see it) but to at least hear about some ass chewings. I mean from anyone,Saunders,Gibbs,Snyder even.

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huh, what? people want Jason Campbell as coach now? :)

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Why not JC?
Romo has been in the same system for 4 years. Campbell is in a different for his 7th consecutive year(including 5 years at Auburn).

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the clipboard system?

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[quote=Fan4Life;236201]If an employee at any job wasnt up to par in their duties and was constantly being told he had better do a better job or else but no repercussions came from it 9 times outta 10 that person would continue to do half assed work because he knows he can get away with it. But if the CEO,president whatever the case may be came in and said look ya slack bastard do your job right or your will be demoted,fired,etc... It may change their tune.[/quote]
Yes and that boss would probably do that behind closed doors. We do not know what goes on after or before games so how can one assume your stance.

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No one said anything about the Fox5 report whether Gibbs is limiting AS to only some plays from his playbook. I believe it because all I've seen from the redskins this season is the same old dinks and dunks for short gains. I am a firm beliver that once your offense starts clicking your D just plays better for some reason. I think if the offense could do something the Redskins D is actaully a solid one, I think they are on the fields for too long. That same Fox5 report said that this might be the last season for Gibbs as a head coach of the Redskins pending the outcome at the end of the season.

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[quote=illdefined;236129]i agree Gibbs won't start him next week, but how much *more* dire is dire enough?[/quote]I'd say if Brunell comes out playing like crap in this game I'd make the switch. And with as well as he's played this year, normally you have to take a bad game every once in a while because nobody is perfect. But because it's Dallas, and because our backs are up against the wall, Brunell needs to continue to play at a high level, or they should make the switch mid game.

Now, if the switch is made, and Campbell struggles (or worse), I'd go back to Brunell for the road series, allow JC to regain his confidence, and give him his first career start in week 12.

But at home vs our division rival, I think MB will play pretty well. If he plays his game and the D shows any improvement whatsoever, we will walk away with a much needed W.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;236320][quote=firstdown;236316]
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No one said anything about the Fox5 report whether Gibbs is limiting AS to only some plays from his playbook. I believe it because all I've seen from the redskins this season is the same old dinks and dunks for short gains. I am a firm beliver that once your offense starts clicking your D just plays better for some reason. I think if the offense could do something the Redskins D is actaully a solid one, I think they are on the fields for too long. That same Fox5 report said that this might be the last season for Gibbs as a head coach of the Redskins pending the outcome at the end of the season.[/QUOTE]

Since we haven't seen 700 pages worth of plays, I'd say you're a dead-on genius about Gibbs limiting Saunders' playbook.

Our defense and offense are not helping each other, the Skins inconsistent offense has led to our defense being asked to do too much and the defense's inability to force turnovers has led to our offense being asked to generate too many long drives to score points. Its a chicken and egg argument with me, but we clearly need one unit to give us a spark and carry us and so far they've both underdelivered.

How Romo and Brunell each perform on Sunday will have a lot to do with when JC sees game action. If Romo outplays Brunell, then maybe he'll consider working JC into the gameplan. If Romo craps the bed, then JC will remain in mothballs, right next to David Patten, corner blitzes, TJ Duckett, and 690 pages of Saunders' playbook.

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Ok the reason I belive JC isn't starting yet it's that Gibbs just doesn't think he's ready or Campbell hasn't showed him in practice he manages this system (hey Brunnel doesn't either but still).

As 1 pointed out Campbell didn't show a lot in preseason against backups maybe his just 2 green.

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Campbell is very green. But there's only one way to make him less green: Let him play! Preferrably ASAP.

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[quote=RiggoRules;236147]Romo scares me far more than Bledoe. Just as Campbell should scare the Cowboys far more than Brunell.

Campbell and Romo are very similiar -- Campbell just has a better arm.[/quote]

The differences between Romo and Campbell are as follows:

Romo looked good in preseason, Campbell didn't
Romo has been in the league 4 years, Campbell just two
Romo gets rid of the ball early, Campbell doesnt

Tough to compare these two guys, Romo is much better prepared

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[quote=Twilbert07;236340]Campbell is very green. But there's only one way to make him less green: Let him play! Preferrably ASAP.[/quote]

Campbell will get his turn eventually, and he'll probably do ok. He is in his seventh different offensive system in as many years. He would not outplay Mark Brunell right now or anytime this year for that matter. Romo had the pleasure of being in the same system for a few years, that is why he looked decent last night. He is comfortable with the system. I still think the jury is out on whether it was a good move to bench Bledsoe.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;236325]I'd say if Brunell comes out playing like crap in this game I'd make the switch. And with as well as he's played this year, normally you have to take a bad game every once in a while because nobody is perfect. But because it's Dallas, and because our backs are up against the wall, Brunell needs to continue to play at a high level, or they should make the switch mid game.[/QUOTE]


sigh i don't know how you keep saying Brunell has been playing at such a 'high' level. if he was, we wouldn't even be considering about talking about switching. you're a big fan of stats, here's a nice retort about stats from the WP:

"More delicate is the acknowledgment of both the coaching staff and players that, at least offensively, statistics can be misleading. The team is producing similar numbers, but not similar results, as last season. The coaches want to work more closely with Brunell, especially on his dropbacks on passing plays and his reading of defenses. While Brunell is a more accurate passer this year than a year ago, the coaching staff wants to emphasize to him that, in associate head coach Al Saunders's offense, decision-making must be immediate. Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense, coaches say, and forced him to throw to a safety-valve receiver, most often a running back.

Last season after seven games, the running back tandem of Ladell Betts and Portis had combined for 20 receptions. This season, Betts and Portis have 38 catches."

that's almost double for you math types. this is behind the exact same offensive line as last year and perfectly illustrates Brunell's trouble with this new system. yes, maybe some of these were designed, but not double, is this what we brought Lloyd and Randle El here for? can't wait to hear how this is the defense's fault...

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Here's my prediction, if Brunell starts slow against Dallas and we get behind early, Campbell could get his shot. He's been taking a lot of snaps lately in practice, partly due to Brunell being banged up but one has to believe the main reason is the coaches realize they have to start getting him ready.

The rumors out of Redskins Park is they are getting Campbell ready for action "sooner rather than later". That time could be just around the corner.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;236346]I still think the jury is out on whether it was a good move to bench Bledsoe.[/quote]

Here is what I persoanlly think about the situation, I am really happy to see Bledsoe watching Romo from the sidelines. I have nothing against Bledsoe but he is not that good. Bledsoe and Brunell for that matter, were at the end of their careers when Dallas and Washington got them. We all know that if it wasn't for their ties with the coaches, they wouldn't get the job. Seriously, those two guys were never GREAT, just good, and they have only gotten worse.

The other issue is Dallas needs to find out if Romo is the quarterback of the future or not. If not Dallas would need to trade up in the draft to get Quinn or whoever is the top QB prospect. Let's face there has been many first round pick QBs that didn't make it big in the NFL, it's just not for them, college and NFL are different and we all know that(like Marcus Vick who is a WR/QB now, Robinson from Penn who is a RB, Matt Jones who is a WR now).

Benching Bledsoe was a smart decision even if Dallas loses the remaining games and I think the same thing should be done with Burnell, but again it is just my opinion.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;236346]Campbell will get his turn eventually, and he'll probably do ok. He is in his seventh different offensive system in as many years. He would not outplay Mark Brunell right now or anytime this year for that matter. Romo had the pleasure of being in the same system for a few years, that is why he looked decent last night. He is comfortable with the system. I still think the jury is out on whether it was a good move to bench Bledsoe.[/quote]

Campbell might not be able to outplay Brunell now, but he would deliver an intangible: a spark. Brunell gives me little hope that he'll ever do anything but "manage" more losses and an occasional win.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ;236334]Ok the reason I belive JC isn't starting yet it's that Gibbs just doesn't think he's ready or Campbell hasn't showed him in practice he manages this system (hey Brunnel doesn't either but still).

As 1 pointed out Campbell didn't show a lot in preseason against backups maybe his just 2 green.[/QUOTE]

I'll give you that he's green, but oh what talent he has. I think the qb position is important, but one of only 22 starting spots on a team. We've got bigger fish to fry, like finding our running game, getting our offense on the same page, and stopping the explosive plays that are ravaging our defense.

As for JC showing anything in practice, well he's running the scout team so there aren't that many opportunities for him to show much of anything. Thanks for the insight tho, d'boyz.

As much as I like the egalitarian in Parcells for starting an undrafted free agent at QB, what happens when Romo starts to slide? Nice game by the UDA last night, lets see how he handles himself in DC.

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Brunell has less of an arm than many high school QB's it's absolutely rediculous watching and routing for him. It's like watching Rudy try to make a tackle. The pain and anguish he has cause all of us in two of the last three years is reason enough to put someone else in for ONE DRIVE please

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it'd be stupid to think our running woes aren't in direct correlation to Brunell's passing tendencies.

it's gotten to the point where it just sucks to see any other NFL game. seeing all these passes made in the middle of the field on slants, sideline streaks, end zone fades, passes caught over the shoulder and in stride...why the hell is washington exempt???

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yeah, i mean this is what you do. you throw the jump ball to lloyd, let him come down with it. he did it all last year in san fran,.

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if brunell comes out slow in the dallas game and we dont score some points early. the fans at fed-ex will be calling for his head and i will be one of them. we are 2-5 we arent going anywhere with brunell at QB this isnt last year we would need to win 8 of 9 games to have a chance to make the playoffs. not happening with teams left we have to play. we need to let JC play bottom line. my predicition before the Indy game was if we lost JC would start doesnt look like that is going to happen. if we lose to dallas it better be JC who starts the rest of the season. i dont want to hear we played our guts out. or it wasnt marks fault. i dont care if it is his fault or not he is not the future here. i know some fans dont like when people scritize Gibbs but this not 80's or early 90's anymore this is what have u done for me latley league and hes hasnt done much yet. if he says he will be here two more years like he say he is lets move on