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I would say that fans fall into one of three categories.

1. Mark Brunell is washed up and is the reason we are 3 - 6. For many of these folks, it's become personal. Their hatred of Brunell is so strong that is is bleeding on to Gibbs. If Mark Brunell led us to 7 straight wins and a Super Bowl victory, they would still find things to complain about. I suspect that some of them were almost pleased when Bunell threw the pick today. A further subset of this group believes that there is something untoward about the fact that Gibbs and Brunell are both Christians. Another subset consists of the "Fedayeen Ramsey". They were horrified that Ramsey was benched during last year's Chicago game and have never recovered.

2. Mark Brunell is not the entire reason we are 3 - 6, but when you take into account his play, his age, and the investment we have in Campbell, it adds up to a switch. These folks have nothing against Brunell and understand that every team cannot have a Peyton Manning, but believe that Campbell should play now. There most compelling argument is the need Campbell has for playing time and the fact that our playoff hopes are basically gone. They sometimes wonder if it is possible for Campbell to be WORSE than Brunell. Today they thought that. Powerful logic.

3. Mark Brunell still gives us the best chance to win. These folks are becoming rarer by the day. They will concede that Brunell has his faults but they suspect that Campbell must not be all that or else he would be playing already. Yes he has trouble with pressure, but the O-Line needs to play better. Yes he throws short too much, but Al Saunders is at fault as well. These folks consider the #1s to be rather unsophisticated and irrational. Any suggestion that Gibbs is biased towards Brunell is itself evidence of bias. Often these folks will fall back on my favorite gem: "Brunell is a quarterback who needs everyone around him to play well".

I was a #3 until today when I became a #2. How about the rest of y'all?

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Same here. #3 but now after today I'm at #2. If Campbell can't go 2-5 (the equivalent of MB's record so far) then we are screwed either way but at least we can move on with next year's preparations in finding a decent QB.

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Yeah, I'll now officially go on record...

It's time for Jason Campbell....

Why does 2005 make me so angry. I kept thinking.... "it's coming... the turn-around is coming".... We'll see what happends, but right now I've lost patience, and I'm ready to start screaming and yelling and shooting in the air. It's time for JC, if not only for entertainment value.

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#2 now getting close to #1

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between 2 and 1

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I'm not sure which category I fit into. I've said for a long time that Brunell sucks and I'd like to see Campbell in. He's looked awful in our losses. However, I understood Gibbs' decision to stick by him until we were mathmatically eliminated from the playoff hunt. He did enough in the games against the Texans, Jags, an Cowboys to justify his starting.

Now that we are basically eliminated from the playoff race, I cannot understand how ANYONE could argue that Brunell should stay in the game.

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I am inbetween 2 and 3, closer to 2.

Good work 70Chip, you put alot of thought into this thread.

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If we had last years defense, I'd be a number 3 guy.

We don't have last years defense. We don't get turnovers. We don't tackle well. We have problems against the pass, and the run.

The defense we have requires that we have a QB that will go out and win the game for us. Brunell is not that guy. Gibbs has a pretty good resume and he has never required his QB to be that guy so there is no Ramsey/Christian/Personal issue going on here. I'm not a number 1.

Number 2 is the only resonable choice left to make. I'm not benching Brunell for bad play, I'm just ready to start Campbell's on the job training.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244084]I'm not sure which category I fit into. I've said for a long time that Brunell sucks and I'd like to see Campbell in. He's looked awful in our losses. However, I understood Gibbs' decision to stick by him until we were mathmatically eliminated from the playoff hunt. He did enough in the games against the Texans, Jags, an Cowboys to justify his starting.

Now that we are basically eliminated from the playoff race, I cannot understand how ANYONE could argue that Brunell should stay in the game.[/quote]


I first typed, "It sounds like you're a pretty solid #2" but I don't want this to go off in that direction, so I will instead say that you are "squarely in the #2 camp".

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Im between 2 and 1. Closer to 1 by a bit.

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It only took this year's first game to convince me MB has lost it.

By the way, J.Campbell is a Christian as well as MB, HOF Coach Gibbs, and many Redskins players.

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I love the "Fedayeen Ramsey" bit.

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I'm a solid #2 now. It's clear that Brunell - who has disguised his inability to zip it downfield [U]at all[/U] anymore until the last few games - has done all he can with this team. He has thrown the checkdowns with great accuracy. We needed more than checkdowns today, and he didn't have it. The only passes that have gone longer than 20 yards have been thrown by Randle El, and the "long balls" to Cooley last week and Lloyd this week had [B][U]nothing[/U][/B] on them at all.

He isn't losing these games - we find planty of ways to do that. But he damn sure isn't winning them, and we need to find out if anyone can win them... now.

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I'll say #2. But a big reason is that I don't think Brunell needs to go through this anymore. I almost feel sorry for him. The man has had a career few QBs have had. He doesn't need this anymore. All that was left for him was a ring. That isn't realistically going to happen now.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;244134]I'll say #2. But a big reason is that I don't think Brunell needs to go through this anymore. I almost feel sorry for him. The man has had a career few QBs have had. He doesn't need this anymore. All that was left for him was a ring. That isn't realistically going to happen now.[/QUOTE]

I definately feel bad for the guy. As much as I disdain him for what he has done on the field, he's been a classy guy.

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Probably #2. Like someone else said, if we had the defense this year we had last year, I'd probably still be at #3.

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#2. They should have benched Brunell the day after last season. Does anyone remember the last half of last year? Brunell was terrible! It is a struggle for Brunell to throw for 200 yards. I mean he threw for 41 yards against TB in the playoffs. How can Gibbs look himself in the mirror and think Brunell can take this team to the Super Bowl? I mean look what Rivers did today. Brought his team back on the road. Brunell just can't do that. I said this in another post. Sometimes there comes a time in a season where your QB just has to win a game or two for you. Bring you back from behind. Things aren't going right, your behind on the road and you have to lean on your QB to make plays for you. Well if we get behind then the game is basically over. AT LEAST JC has the physical ability and the skills to make things happen. Either with his arm or legs. If Gibbs starts Brunell next week then I WILL NOT watch the TB game. I've simply had enough.

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I'm still a #3 because absolutely no QB in the league would have won this game for us, but Brunell was dreadful today. He was put in the worst possible conditions (Bad weather, on the road, in the division, Portis out, trailing early, questionable playcalling, defensive scheme that attacks) and played exactly the way I would expect a guy put in those conditions to play. Ties the first Dallas game for ineptitude, although the deck was stacked heavily against him. The interception should never have been thrown.

I wouldn't make the switch this week for multiple reasons. Number 1, you don't want to break Jason Campbell in on the road when the team isn't playing well. Number 2, it would be a significant injustice to Mark Brunell to bench him after forcing him into the situation that the coaching staff and team did. Number 3, we will never play another game that is this difficult to win this season. So although we have next to nil chance to win the division, a wild card berth is a possibility [I]if[/I] we win out against a schedule where we have all of our tough games at home, where weve been right in every contest over the last two seasons. It still would be a bad decision to try to have Campbell save the season.

The switch is certainly on the horizion though. If we as a team can't beat Tampa Bay, the switch should be made. I'm guessing this is the way Gibbs is thinking right now.

But if you are relying on a 2nd year inexpirenced player to save the franchise, you have another thing coming.

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GTripp,

No QB could have won that game for us? That's a little bit of an overstatement. The defense gave up 20 points. I think there are a lot of teams that could put up 20+ points on the Eagles.

So Brunell gets a pass because the weather was bad and he was on the road in a division game. I hate to break it to you, but you are EXPECTED to play well, even if it is wet outside, you are playing an away game, or are playing in your division.

Also, Philly plays an agressive style of defense, but Burnell wasn't exactly forcing them to back off. Does ANYONE in the league respect our deep pasing game? Nope. Brunell bears some of the blame for opponents attacking.

What situation did the coaches put Brunell in? They are to blame for the rain? They are to blame for the road game? They are to blame for having our team play division opponents?

No one thinks Campbell is going to save our season, Brunell [U]and others[/U] have lost it for us. It's just time to start working towards the future.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244173]I'm still a #3 because absolutely no QB in the league would have won this game for us, but Brunell was dreadful today. He was put in the worst possible conditions (Bad weather, on the road, in the division, Portis out, trailing early, questionable playcalling, defensive scheme that attacks) and played exactly the way I would expect a guy put in those conditions to play. Ties the first Dallas game for ineptitude, although the deck was stacked heavily against him. The interception should never have been thrown.

I wouldn't make the switch this week for multiple reasons. Number 1, you don't want to break Jason Campbell in on the road when the team isn't playing well. Number 2, it would be a significant injustice to Mark Brunell to bench him after forcing him into the situation that the coaching staff and team did. Number 3, we will never play another game that is this difficult to win this season. So although we have next to nil chance to win the division, a wild card berth is a possibility [I]if[/I] we win out against a schedule where we have all of our tough games at home, where weve been right in every contest over the last two seasons. It still would be a bad decision to try to have Campbell save the season.

The switch is certainly on the horizion though. If we as a team can't beat Tampa Bay, the switch should be made. I'm guessing this is the way Gibbs is thinking right now.

But if you are relying on a 2nd year inexpirenced player to save the franchise, you have another thing coming.[/QUOTE]

:eek:
and the rings of Saturn weren't aligned with it's second moon. i've never heard more excuses for a player's performance. ever.

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[quote=GTripp0012;244173]I'm still a #3 because absolutely no QB in the league would have won this game for us, but Brunell was dreadful today. He was put in the worst possible conditions (Bad weather, on the road, in the division, Portis out, trailing early, questionable playcalling, defensive scheme that attacks) and played exactly the way I would expect a guy put in those conditions to play. Ties the first Dallas game for ineptitude, although the deck was stacked heavily against him. The interception should never have been thrown.

I wouldn't make the switch this week for multiple reasons. Number 1, you don't want to break Jason Campbell in on the road when the team isn't playing well. Number 2, it would be a significant injustice to Mark Brunell to bench him after forcing him into the situation that the coaching staff and team did. Number 3, we will never play another game that is this difficult to win this season. So although we have next to nil chance to win the division, a wild card berth is a possibility [I]if[/I] we win out against a schedule where we have all of our tough games at home, where weve been right in every contest over the last two seasons. It still would be a bad decision to try to have Campbell save the season.

The switch is certainly on the horizion though. If we as a team can't beat Tampa Bay, the switch should be made. I'm guessing this is the way Gibbs is thinking right now.

But if you are relying on a 2nd year inexpirenced player to save the franchise, you have another thing coming.[/quote]

You make an excellent case. I feel myself being pulled back towards the #3 position. Give it one more week.

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I'm a #2 bordering on #1 and I can't understand where GTripp is coming from. Bottom line guys, we scored 3 freaking points... 3! And talk to the hand if you're going to say we could have had six if Novak made that 47 yd FG... why should we have to rely on ANY placekicker to make 45+ yd FGs for our offense to score all the time? We should be scoring TDs. Period. We're back to the 2004 offense that had no vertical element and could not stretch the defense. As long as Brunell is QB look for defenses to 1) load up the box and 2) blitz on a passing downs because everyone in the NFL knows Brunell can't go downfield effectively. Can Campbell give us a better chance to win? I don't know, because I haven't really had a chance to see what he can do. I DO know that Brunell is not giving us a chance to win anymore.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244173]I'm still a #3 because absolutely no QB in the league would have won this game for us, but Brunell was dreadful today. He was put in the worst possible conditions (Bad weather, on the road, in the division, Portis out, trailing early, questionable playcalling, defensive scheme that attacks) and played exactly the way I would expect a guy put in those conditions to play. Ties the first Dallas game for ineptitude, although the deck was stacked heavily against him. The interception should never have been thrown.

I wouldn't make the switch this week for multiple reasons. Number 1, you don't want to break Jason Campbell in on the road when the team isn't playing well. Number 2, it would be a significant injustice to Mark Brunell to bench him after forcing him into the situation that the coaching staff and team did. Number 3, we will never play another game that is this difficult to win this season. So although we have next to nil chance to win the division, a wild card berth is a possibility [I]if[/I] we win out against a schedule where we have all of our tough games at home, where weve been right in every contest over the last two seasons. It still would be a bad decision to try to have Campbell save the season.

The switch is certainly on the horizion though. If we as a team can't beat Tampa Bay, the switch should be made. I'm guessing this is the way Gibbs is thinking right now.

But if you are relying on a 2nd year inexpirenced player to save the franchise, you have another thing coming.[/QUOTE]

I saw McNabb and Randle El throw tight long passes in that same weather. should Brunell take any responsibility at all for 'trailing early'? and as for 'defensive scheme that attacks'...well that sounds like all NFL defenses, technically so does ours.

i think it's an utterly ridiculous case. especially the part where we OWE Brunell another chance, when his whole career as a Redskin has been exactly that. you don't bring in a QB when the team is struggling? when do you bring them in exactly? when they're doing great? ask Parcells about that, he knows a bit about coaching i hear.

you have more than another thing coming if you think Brunell is going to win out this season. hasn't he demoralized the fans and the team enough?

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[quote=illdefined;244185]:eek:
and the rings of Saturn weren't aligned with it's second moon. i've never heard more excuses for a player's performance. ever.[/quote]Trust me, living in the Chicago TV market, I've seen true, absolute offensive futility. Teams that couldn't move the ball under any situation.

The contrast between those Bear teams and this Redskin team is so stark I can't even begin to explain it to you. We were horrible today, but its one game vs. an entire season of futility.

And even today we moved the ball. We just couldn't get any points no matter what happened.

Don't act like you've, as a fan, been wronged on offense this year. Today, absolutely. This year, not even close.

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[quote=GTripp0012;244203]Trust me, living in the Chicago TV market, I've seen true, absolute offensive futility. Teams that couldn't move the ball under any situation.

The contrast between those Bear teams and this Redskin team is so stark I can't even begin to explain it to you. We were horrible today, but its one game vs. an entire season of futility.

And even today we moved the ball. We just couldn't get any points no matter what happened.

Don't act like you've, as a fan, been wronged on offense this year. Today, absolutely. This year, not even close.[/quote]

You know who you are GTripp0012? You're Rumsfeld. 70Chip is a hopeless right-wing reactionary so take it for a compliment.

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[quote=GTripp0012;244173]I'm still a #3 because absolutely no QB in the league would have won this game for us, but Brunell was dreadful today. He was put in the worst possible conditions (Bad weather, on the road, in the division, Portis out, trailing early, questionable playcalling, defensive scheme that attacks) and played exactly the way I would expect a guy put in those conditions to play. Ties the first Dallas game for ineptitude, although the deck was stacked heavily against him. The interception should never have been thrown.

I wouldn't make the switch this week for multiple reasons. Number 1, you don't want to break Jason Campbell in on the road when the team isn't playing well. Number 2, it would be a significant injustice to Mark Brunell to bench him after forcing him into the situation that the coaching staff and team did. Number 3, we will never play another game that is this difficult to win this season. So although we have next to nil chance to win the division, a wild card berth is a possibility [I]if[/I] we win out against a schedule where we have all of our tough games at home, where weve been right in every contest over the last two seasons. It still would be a bad decision to try to have Campbell save the season.

The switch is certainly on the horizion though. If we as a team can't beat Tampa Bay, the switch should be made. I'm guessing this is the way Gibbs is thinking right now.

But if you are relying on a 2nd year inexpirenced player to save the franchise, you have another thing coming.[/quote]

First, let me say at the beginning of the season I was a number 3. In fact, I would have been a #4 - Mark Brunell is a QB that is capable of carrying us to a Super Bowl championship given the talent and coaching staff he has around him.

But now I'm firmly in the #2 camp, in my eyes the season is over and we're looking forward to next year. And GTripp, I don't get where you're coming from.

First, far be it for the Redskins to ever think long-term, but I do. Campbell needs to play now because the team needs to find out what he's made of. We need to see some glimmer of hope that he could be the answer next season. Throwing him in against Tampa is the perfect situation. If a QB is going to have a fragile phyche and have trouble dealing with a road game against below-.500 Tampa Bay, then he doesn't have the mindset to be my QB... EVER. It's the perfect time to put him in. If the line protects him, we'll find out if he's accurate, if he knows the reads, if he can make the throws, and if he can execute the offense. If the line doesn't protect him, we'll find out how he responds: will he get sacked 5 times and get right back up and lead us down the field? Or will he get the Jeff George deer-in-headlights look?

These are not high-schoolers we're playing with. These are men. If Jason Campbell is going to be our QB, he's going to exhibit the leadership qualities that a grown-up QB should - win or lose. Throw him into the fire - sink or swim. He's a man, he can take it. We don't have to baby him and wait for a home game to find out what he's made of.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244203]The contrast between those Bear teams and this Redskin team is so stark I can't even begin to explain it to you. Don't act like you've, as a fan, been wronged on offense this year. Today, absolutely. This year, not even close.[/QUOTE]

That's a bit of an overstatement. This offense, particularly the passing offense, is pretty bad. Brunell has thrown for over 200 yards in just 3 of 9 games. After today, our passing attack will be ranked in the mid-20s - a ranking that is inexcusable considering the weapons we have on offense.

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Numero uno. I would trade next years second third and fourth round picks for him to go away. Oh wait we can't do that. The man has had a very good career, but he has done some serious damage to this team IMO and he has made Gibbs look a little nuts.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244203]Trust me, living in the Chicago TV market, I've seen true, absolute offensive futility. Teams that couldn't move the ball under any situation.

The contrast between those Bear teams and this Redskin team is so stark I can't even begin to explain it to you. We were horrible today, but its one game vs. an entire season of futility.

And even today we moved the ball. We just couldn't get any points no matter what happened.

Don't act like you've, as a fan, been wronged on offense this year. Today, absolutely. This year, not even close.[/QUOTE]

don't compare the bears with our Skins. not with the money we're paying, and not with the draft choices we've given up for these players.

your stats job won't work this time Tripp. not when a big majority of our yards come from our no.2 receiver Ladell Betts on futile 3rd down plays. Lloyd, ARE and Cooley haven't even broken 200 yards, and Portis was on a career low. does that sound right to you? and all that didn't happen from this game, nor was it caused by Kenny Wright, or some other excuse i'm sure you'll come up with.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244181]GTripp,

No QB could have won that game for us? That's a little bit of an overstatement. The defense gave up 20 points. I think there are a lot of teams that could put up 20+ points on the Eagles.

So Brunell gets a pass because the weather was bad and he was on the road in a division game. I hate to break it to you, but you are EXPECTED to play well, even if it is wet outside, you are playing an away game, or are playing in your division.

Also, Philly plays an agressive style of defense, but Burnell wasn't exactly forcing them to back off. Does ANYONE in the league respect our deep pasing game? Nope. Brunell bears some of the blame for opponents attacking.

What situation did the coaches put Brunell in? They are to blame for the rain? They are to blame for the road game? They are to blame for having our team play division opponents?

No one thinks Campbell is going to save our season, Brunell [U]and others[/U] have lost it for us. It's just time to start working towards the future.[/quote]OK, lets say for a second that you are right and I am wrong, and Tom Brady would have won this game for us. That means Brunell had a bad game. Colosselly bad, or just bad, it's all sort of moot. I guarentee you if allowed to start the rest of the season, he would not play a game anywere near this bad rest of the year.

Of course there will be a point where we have to cut our losses and start JC while playing for next year. And we are certainly on the doorstep. But my ONLY point is that starting him against TB would be counterproductive on many levels.

I think if your point is that no matter how well our team had played, that Brunell's performance would have lost the game, I would agree with you. We could not have won with those kind of numbers from Brunell. Not possible. But if you actually want to investigate into WHY he was so horrible, it's obvious that none of the reasons will carry over to next week, save maybe the Portis one.

A lot of people have the stance that Brunell is part of the team's problems. How about this one? The team is part of Brunell's problem.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;244206]You know who you are GTripp0012? You're Rumsfeld. 70Chip is a hopeless right-wing reactionary so take it for a compliment.[/QUOTE]

compliment? McNamara, Rumsfeld, take your pick. out of touch bean counting at its worst. 'it's all right there in the numbers'

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[QUOTE=illdefined;244212]ot when a big majority of our yards come from our no.2 receiver Ladell Betts on futile 3rd down plays. Lloyd, ARE and Cooley haven't even broken 200 yards, and Portis was on a career low. does that sound right to you? and all that didn't happen from this game, nor was it caused by Kenny Wright, or some other excuse i'm sure you'll come up with.[/QUOTE]

Apparently Brunell is only expected to play well in the sunshine, at home, and against non-division opponents.

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[quote=illdefined;244212]don't compare the bears with our Skins. not with the money we're paying, and not with the draft choices we've given up for these players.

your stats job won't work this time Tripp. not when a big majority of our yards come from our no.2 receiver Ladell Betts on futile 3rd down plays. Lloyd, ARE and Cooley haven't even broken 200 yards, and Portis was on a career low. does that sound right to you? and all that didn't happen from this game, nor was it caused by Kenny Wright, or some other excuse i'm sure you'll come up with.[/quote]So stark I couldnt begin to explain it.

I pretty much have the same opinion of Brunell's day as the rest of you. If you read my posts, you'd know that. My only point is its a bad situation to play Campbell next week on so many levels.

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[quote=GTripp0012;244173]I'm still a #3 because absolutely no QB in the league would have won this game for us, but Brunell was dreadful today. He was put in the worst possible conditions (Bad weather, on the road, in the division, Portis out, trailing early, questionable playcalling, defensive scheme that attacks) and played exactly the way I would expect a guy put in those conditions to play. Ties the first Dallas game for ineptitude, although the deck was stacked heavily against him. The interception should never have been thrown.

I wouldn't make the switch this week for multiple reasons. Number 1, you don't want to break Jason Campbell in on the road when the team isn't playing well. Number 2, it would be a significant injustice to Mark Brunell to bench him after forcing him into the situation that the coaching staff and team did. Number 3, we will never play another game that is this difficult to win this season. So although we have next to nil chance to win the division, a wild card berth is a possibility [I]if[/I] we win out against a schedule where we have all of our tough games at home, where weve been right in every contest over the last two seasons. It still would be a bad decision to try to have Campbell save the season.

The switch is certainly on the horizion though. If we as a team can't beat Tampa Bay, the switch should be made. I'm guessing this is the way Gibbs is thinking right now.

But if you are relying on a 2nd year inexpirenced player to save the franchise, you have another thing coming.[/quote]

Give me a break! You sound like Gibbs. No one is asking Jason C. to save the franchise. Look at our pee-wee league offense? Any starting or back-up NFL QB could run our offense. Any college QB could throw screens and 5 yard slants. Take a look around the NFL. Rothlesburger, E. Manning, Leinart, Grossman, Frye, A Smith, Leftwich, Palmer, Carr and Lossman. All these QB's got to start in their 1st or 2nd years. Why is JC any different? Brunell struggles to throw for 150 yards. Pathetic stats for a NFL QB with three good WR's and a solid TE. This team should always have 200 - 250 yards passing. When was the last time Brunell had a 300 yard game? There is no reason to coddle Jason C. anymore. This guy played 4 years in the SEC in front 100,000 every week. He is use to pressure. oH, and bye the way. WE GAVE UP 2 FIRST ROUNDER TO GET HIM! I think he can handle an aging, slow TB defense. Plus TB is playing Gradkowski!!!!! This is just absurd. There is NO REASON that Campbell should not start next week.

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[quote=skinsfan69;244217]Give me a break! You sound like Gibbs.[/quote]Why is this a bad thing?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244216]So stark I couldnt begin to explain it.

I pretty much have the same opinion of Brunell's day as the rest of you. If you read my posts, you'd know that. My only point is its a bad situation to play Campbell next week on so many levels.[/QUOTE]

nice dodge but those receiving stats for Lloyd, ARE and Cooley are for the season Tripp. not this game. the season. and don't tell me Saunder's offense wasn't built for TEs, nor no.2 and 3 recievers. they weren't paid to come here as decoys for Betts.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;244220]Why is this a bad thing?[/QUOTE]

because thats public Gibbs when he's in press conferences grasping at any positive numbers to not demoralize his players any more than they just were on the field.

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[quote=GTripp0012;244216]So stark I couldnt begin to explain it.

I pretty much have the same opinion of Brunell's day as the rest of you. If you read my posts, you'd know that. My only point is its a bad situation to play Campbell next week on so many levels.[/quote]


I think the difference between myself and GTripp is that he does not believe the season is lost and I now do. I didn't think that it was before today, and I didn't think they had to win every game to salvage it, but I thought they needed to use the emotion of the Dallas win to propel them to win a few in a row. They don't seem to have a run in them.

I would say further that regardless of what happens with Brunell, at the end of the season, they should thank Saunders for all his hard work and send him on his way.

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[quote=illdefined;244221]nice dodge but those receiving stats for Lloyd, ARE and Cooley are for the season Tripp. not this game. the season. and don't tell me Saunder's offense wasn't built for TEs, nor no.2 and 3 recievers. they weren't paid to come here as decoys for Betts.[/quote]I REALLY can't begin to explain to you why the check downs to Betts aren't the problem. A decent percentage of them are successful. Those that are futile would have been throwaways with last year's philosophy. Those are the basic points, I may just go in depth in this week's Weekly Tripp.

And what's with this talking down to me? I didn't do that to you last week when you were WAY off.

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[quote=GTripp0012;244220]Why is this a bad thing?[/quote]


Let's take to diapers off JC and frickin play the guy. Enough is enough.