MLB biggest concern on defense
 

After watching tonight's game I am thoroughly convinced that our main concern on defense is not DE,DT,CB but MLB, but don't get me wrong those aforementioned positions our huge concerns but if I had to pick our biggest it's definitely at MLB. Marshall simply cannot cut it at this position he is way to small to be playing MLB at 225lbs, he cannot get off blocks, and it's difficult for him to take on bigger backs one on one. I say we need to either draft a stud MLB (Patrick Willis, Buster Davis) or if we decide to use our pick on a diffrent position then we desperately need to find somebody in FA either Adalius Thomas or Lance Briggs. As far as our other LB's are concerned Marcus Washington is a mainstay and we sorely missed him tonight and Rocky looks like he is coming into his own and he looks like he is going to turn into a good draft pick for us with some work in the offseason.

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Possibly, but hey why draft a MLB when we could get another WR

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You hit it right on the head. More than a CB or any other position we need a MLB.

You watch - we bring in Nate Clements and ignore the LBs, we'll be in big trouble next year.

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A monster pass rusher would make every other player on the defense better but MLB is a huge hole.

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It is a big concern, Ill give you that, but I think corner is a bigger problem. This game the run killed us, but the pass has been there all year long. The giants just suck at executing it...

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Major League Baseball has something to do with our D?

Seriously though, I agree. I think the D as a whole is an issue.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;265234]A monster pass rusher would make every other player on the defense better but MLB is a huge hole.[/quote]
I agree 100%. Our LBs can't get off blocks at all!

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There are sooo many problems on D, it seems futile to try to pin it on a single position. I think most are just engaging in wishful thinking that this year was a fluke on D instead of a system failure.

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The system is fine, it's the players who are in the system that just don't work anymore.

The biggest problem is that Cornelius Griffin isn't the player he was in '04 and just last year. Ditto for Salave'a. When you have someone wreaking havoc at the defensive tackle position, the linebackers look great.

We need a D-tackle more than anything. And the draft is solid for linemen for the position we'll be drafting in.

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Has anyone seen this MLB from Cal? Bishop i think. Leads his conference in tackles and was incredible the other day.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;265306]The system is fine, it's the players who are in the system that just don't work anymore.

The biggest problem is that Cornelius Griffin isn't the player he was in '04 and just last year. Ditto for Salave'a. When you have someone wreaking havoc at the defensive tackle position, the linebackers look great.

We need a D-tackle more than anything. And the draft is solid for linemen for the position we'll be drafting in.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I agree with you Beem. When you have the defensive front stopping the run and putting pressure on the quarterback, then the linebackers are golden and it lifts the entire defense's play. I also agree about the system being fine. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have been the success it was the past couple of years here and the success Gregg Williams has had in previous coaching tenures.

I do believe, however, we are in need of upgrading our secondary.

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I know it's crazy talk that I've spouted off before but what about moving Marcus to the middle and Rocky and LeMar to the outside?

(To get really radical move LeMar to safety)

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DB is a much bigger concern in my opinion.

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Love the use of radical TAF.

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Secondary is certainly a problem, but the DBs had nothing to do with Tiki Barber skipping effortlessly through the D-line like he was on the Yellow Brick Road headed for Oz.

As I understand it, for the position we'll be drafting in (#3-#7 in the first round) defensive tackles are by far the better value. DB's are rated much lower in the first.

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[quote=Beemnseven;265318]Secondary is certainly a problem, but the DBs had nothing to do with Tiki Barber skipping effortlessly through the D-line like he was on the Yellow Brick Road headed for Oz.

As I understand it, for the position we'll be drafting in (#3-#7 in the first round) defensive tackles are by far the better value. DB's are rated much lower in the first.[/quote]

True but they did nothing once Tiki got to their level, the tackling from the secondary was god awful. Not just last night but all season.

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I think if they got a Middle Linebacker later on in the draft and went out and signed London Fletcher as a stop gap for a year or two while that guy comes into his own, they'd be fine. He might not be a playmaker like he used to be, but he still gets a ton of tackles. If I'm Gregg Williams, I have the faith that Flet's gonna be in the right place at the right time, he'll be where I expect him to be, and he could mentor some young linebackers like Rocky.

As for D backs, they do need someone so they can do something with Springs. I don't care if it's cutting him, moving him to safety, or down on the depth chart, say to nickel back. He's a good corner, but if you can't rely on the guy to stay on the field, it's time to replace him. I feel the same way about Griffin. He can still play too, but he can't stay on the field...that and he's fallen way off of what he used to be. That was the big knock on him when he got here. He couldn't stay healthy and that's part of the reason he wasn't resigned by the Giants, if my memory serves me correctly.

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There are problems all over the place on D. The only thing I'll say is that if we don't address the D-line, running backs will still be in the defensive secondary running free. Even if we get better tackling by the DBs, we still have a huge problem.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;265319]True but they did nothing once Tiki got to their level, the tackling from the secondary was god awful. Not just last night but all season.[/QUOTE]

That's another good point, I don't know what the hell Sean Taylor's problem is. He needs to learn how to take better angles and have someone put pads on him so he can start tackling again. He kinda got exposed some this season. Seems like if he can't lay you out, he can't get you down. He definitely needs to improve on both of those.

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[quote=jdlea;265324]That's another good point, I don't know what the hell Sean Taylor's problem is. He needs to learn how to take better angles and have someone put pads on him so he can start tackling again. He kinda got exposed some this season. Seems like if he can't lay you out, he can't get you down. He definitely needs to improve on both of those.[/quote]

Doesn't it seem like the last few games in particular Taylor is tackling really high and always going for a strip rather than the sure tackle?? Perhaps the D as a whole was just pressing to get turnovers but man, the arm tackling has been outta control especially as of late.

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Is anyone concerned about McIntoshs size? He looks tiny out there...

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[quote=jamf;265336]Is anyone concerned about McIntoshs size? He looks tiny out there...[/quote]

6'2 236 is tiny?

He's got a lanky build but I don't see his size being any sort of a big concern. His build actually reminds me of LaVar a bit, he'll put on some weight I'm sure.

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im not sure if this was brought up, but how about switching to a 3-4 defense? golston at nose tackle, and then lamar doesnt have to take on as many head on blockers. it seems like you could run a variation of williams defenses off of the 3-4

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thats why i wanted the skins to sign larry tripplett last off season. golsten is going to be good if he doesn;t level off. but tripplett and griffen would have been awesome 2 strong and quick pentrators.oh well sala ve.i like marshall and i think he's worth keeping. we do need another cb , springs isn't getting any younger and his fragility seems to have returned. the move to safety is kickin.we need a lb or 2 another d end and another tackle. plus i have become concerned over jansen. his heart and ability are as strong as ever. but he's had injury problems every year since his achillies tendon tear. we need some young bucks behind our startes to groom for the future. we can't afford to wait til we need the position filled . this team needs to look ahead as well as at the present to fill needs. another pass catching te would be nice. a safety or two. it's going to be an interesting off season. this team has alot of needs to fill.unless their pick offers them some all word player i say trade down and get picks.the skins are still my team and always will be.been it's been a ruff season.(i meant to spell it like that). but now the dreams can be rekindled again for next season. time to turn the page. thanx guys. happy new year and a safe one.

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[quote=Beemnseven;265322]There are problems all over the place on D. The only thing I'll say is that if we don't address the D-line, running backs will still be in the defensive secondary running free. Even if we get better tackling by the DBs, we still have a huge problem.[/quote]

I AGREEE!!!! You have to start up front before gasing up Redskins One and picking up Nate Clemons. MLB and corner is a concern but get a tackle first. That's how you build a defense. But regarless of who we get it's going to take some time to rebuild the defense. It's a total mess.

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we need DL, a starting CB, and 2 LBs (1 for depth).

so which is most important? true #1 CBs and true stud DEs are rarely ever available, whereas you can get midlevel LBs or take them in the 2nd round and be okay. washington can play in the middle. FA is deep with LBs this year that aren't that expensive, and a true CB stud. meaning we should probably stick with trying to get DE adam gaines. if he's not there, a trade down to get two DL in the first two rounds (1 DE, 1 DT) wouldn't be a bad idea either.