Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions
 

Well, I really didnt want to post this, because it seems soooooooo far fetched to me, but allegedly (I read this on ES) Tripple X reported that the [B]LIONS OFFERED[/B] (just so no one is tearing the Skins front office apart for shopping Portis) a trade for Portis....

I've heard three different versions of this (which again, makes me think its false), but I'll break each one down.

#1
Lions Get: Clinton Portis
Redskins Get: Shaun Rogers
(If the Redskins ever took that I'd probaboly kill myself, so that seems really unrealistic)

#2 (The One Reported on Tripple X)
Lions Get: Clinton Portis
Redskins Get: Dre Bly, Lions #2 overall Draft Pick

Now this one seems really far fetched to be offered to us. Portis really isnt worth that to another team (He's worth a lot to us, but in the market itself I personally dont think he's worth much more than a high second rounder). But if that was really offered to us, it'd be really stupid of the Lions... and honestly, it would be stupid of us not to take.

Now Tafkas read somewhere else that it was reported that:
Lions Get: Portis, #6 pick
Redskins Get: Bly, #2 Pick, Lions 3rd Round Pick.


Again, I really didnt want to give this more attention than it deserves, becuase I think all three are false, but if they allegedly reported it on Tripple X, I guess it deserves some attention.

Personally, I'm the #1 guy for keeping Porits a Washington Redskin, because I think he is more valuable to this team than just about anyone....but it would be really hard to say no if the Lions offered Bly and the #2 pick for him (w/ us keeping 6).

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NO!!!!! I am so sick of Trade Portis Threads...He is "THE CORE REDSKIN". If we trade him I will just puke. Trade Betts instead.

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[quote=Gmanc711;267360]Well, I really didnt want to post this, because it seems soooooooo far fetched to me, but allegedly (I read this on ES) Tripple X reported that the [B]LIONS OFFERED[/B] (just so no one is tearing the Skins front office apart for shopping Portis) a trade for Portis....

I've heard three different versions of this (which again, makes me think its false), but I'll break each one down.

#1
Lions Get: Clinton Portis
Redskins Get: Shaun Rogers
(If the Redskins ever took that I'd probaboly kill myself, so that seems really unrealistic)

#2 (The One Reported on Tripple X)
Lions Get: Clinton Portis
Redskins Get: Dre Bly, Lions #2 overall Draft Pick

Now this one seems really far fetched to be offered to us. Portis really isnt worth that to another team (He's worth a lot to us, but in the market itself I personally dont think he's worth much more than a high second rounder). But if that was really offered to us, it'd be really stupid of the Lions... and honestly, it would be stupid of us not to take.

Now Tafkas read somewhere else that it was reported that:
Lions Get: Portis, #6 pick
Redskins Get: Bly, #2 Pick, Lions 3rd Round Pick.


Again, I really didnt want to give this more attention than it deserves, becuase I think all three are false, but if they allegedly reported it on Tripple X, I guess it deserves some attention.

Personally, I'm the #1 guy for keeping Porits a Washington Redskin, because I think he is more valuable to this team than just about anyone....but it would be really hard to say no if the Lions offered Bly and the #2 pick for him (w/ us keeping 6).[/quote]

None of those make any sense. especially one involving portis and #6 for Bly,#2 pick and a 3rd. One, no reason Detroit needs portis. Jones has done pretty well for them. they need a ton of help in other areas of the team than RB. How about a QB! they have the #2 pick for christ sake, no way they trade that when they have the change to get a Brady Quinn.

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Fact of the matter is, everything is on the table for the Skins this year - everything. I know Gibbs will deny every rumor until he's blue in the face, but I have to believe even if these reports are false, everything has to be on the table this year.

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Can someone please give clarification on what kind of salary cap hit we would take if we traded Portis? If we trade him before June 1st - do we have a huge deadcap hit in 2007? If we trade him post June 1st what would be the hits in the followng 2 years?

I just want to know even if the Redskins decided to trade him, can they really afford to do this at all?

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why would det. trade for portis when they already have a good young runner in k. jones? makes no sense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;267367]why would det. trade for portis when they already have a good young runner in k. jones? makes no sense.[/quote]


Could be a three way deal, if it is true. This is all wild speculation. But it could be a three way deal, to unload Kevin Jones to another team and bring in Portis.

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I haven't heard anything other than the rumors speculated on message boards.

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Detroit could use Clinton Portis. Kevin Jones is a serviceable running back, but I don't know that I would call him "good." I think part of the problem he has is a pretty weak O Line. Also, he's never played 16 games and the past 2 years he's had his seasons cut short. Still, he only ran for 1000+ in his rookie season, since then, he hasn't cracked 700 yards. I think that's a pretty decent indictment of him.

Also, when one of the better running backs in the NFL is perceived to be available, everyone should be showing interest short of San Diego and KC. I'm not really all that surprised by the fact that the Lions would come after him and if I'm Washington, and actually looking to deal Portis, I would have to look twice at Bly and the 2nd overall. Then, they would have filled a need at corner (albeit a relatively old one) and have 2 picks in the top 6. They could shop for those or draft whoever they want.

All that said, I'm gonna be insanely pissed if Clinton Portis gets traded this offseason. I will be irrate and wish I could turn off the love of the team.

Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.

One other quick thing, just because Joe Gibbs categorically denied that they're trading Clinton holds very little water with me. He also said, going into the 05(?) draft that "we're gonna go get Patrick Ramsey some weapons" and then they picked Rogers and Campbell.

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[quote=Red Robert;267361]NO!!!!! I am so sick of Trade Portis Threads...He is "THE CORE REDSKIN". If we trade him I will just puke. Trade Betts instead.[/quote]

Trade Duckett and keep Betts and Portis...

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[quote=jdlea;267373]Detroit could use Clinton Portis. Kevin Jones is a serviceable running back, but I don't know that I would call him "good." I think part of the problem he has is a pretty weak O Line. Also, he's never played 16 games and the past 2 years he's had his seasons cut short. Still, he only ran for 1000+ in his rookie season, since then, he hasn't cracked 700 yards. I think that's a pretty decent indictment of him.

Also, when one of the better running backs in the NFL is perceived to be available, everyone should be showing interest short of San Diego and KC. I'm not really all that surprised by the fact that the Lions would come after him and if I'm Washington, and actually looking to deal Portis, I would have to look twice at Bly and the 2nd overall. Then, they would have filled a need at corner (albeit a relatively old one) and have 2 picks in the top 6. They could shop for those or draft whoever they want.

All that said, I'm gonna be insanely pissed if Clinton Portis gets traded this offseason. I will be irrate and wish I could turn off the love of the team.

Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.

One other quick thing, just because Joe Gibbs categorically denied that they're trading Clinton holds very little water with me. He also said, going into the 05(?) draft that "we're gonna go get Patrick Ramsey some weapons" and then they picked Rogers and Campbell.[/quote]

Yeah, if Gibbs held a presser in ten minutes denying it, I would pay much attention to it.

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I find it hard to believe we would trade CP only because of the cap situation. Especially if we're going to can Arch and/or Lloyd.

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I'd like to see CP traded for draft picks which is what this team really needs to rebuild its foundation.

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[quote=Bill B;267366]Can someone please give clarification on what kind of salary cap hit we would take if we traded Portis? If we trade him before June 1st - do we have a huge deadcap hit in 2007? If we trade him post June 1st what would be the hits in the followng 2 years?

I just want to know even if the Redskins decided to trade him, can they really afford to do this at all?[/quote]

The short answer is they could afford it if they really wanted to.

Trading him would hit us with a cap hit of $8.2 million in 2007. He's already on the books for $7.1 million in 2007 as it is, so it wouldn't be that much more to absorb. BUT, the Redskins have no intention of having him count $7.1 million in 2007: they'll restructure (he'll be willing) and give him what his contract calls for. That will reduce his cap number to something like $3 million, so really, the opportunity cost of trading Portis is like $5.2 million or something.

If the 'Skins wanted to make this their major personnel move and not really make many other changes, they'd still be able to get rid of either Archuleta or Lloyd, but probably not both.

I'd say the likelihood of all this happening is something like 0.00001%. Gibbs loves Portis, and with Duckett leaving, we can't just go with Betts as our #1 and have nobody behind him (Rock Cartwright does not count, he is not good enough).

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[quote=jdlea;267373]Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.[/quote]

I really doubt it. Gibbs seems to really love Portis and everyone knows he's an outspoken guy who speaks his mind. And it's not like he even said anything bad, he was just speaking the truth.

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And a trade would never happen post-June 1. First off, the draft would have already happened by then, so any scenario involving picks would be out the window.

Secondly, teams just don't do that. They like to get new guys in the fold earlier so they know what holes they need to fill in FA and the draft.

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[quote=Mattyk72;267387]I find it hard to believe we would trade CP only because of the cap situation. Especially if we're going to can Arch and/or Lloyd.[/quote]

[B][I]Only [/I][/B]because of the cap situation? So the fact that he's a far more talented than the running back that would be replacing him shouldn't carry any weight in this situation?

But as far as all these trade talks, I'm sure it has been made aware to other teams that Portis is available, and if anyone in the Redskins front office says otherwise, they're lying. It may not have been a direct statement, but I'm sure that it leaked somehow. And with teams throwing 2nd overall picks around, I'm willing to bet that Portis is finished as a Redskin... :banghead:

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[quote=Southpaw;267397][B][I]Only [/I][/B]because of the cap situation? So the fact that he's a far more talented than the running back that would be replacing him should carry any weight in this situation?

But as far as all these trade talks, I'm sure it has been made aware to other teams that Portis is available, and if anyone in the Redskins front office says otherwise, they're lying. It may not have been a direct statement, but I'm sure that it leaked somehow. And with teams throwing 2nd overall picks around, I'm willing to bet that Portis is finished as a Redskin... :banghead:[/quote]

Of course his talent level, leadership and production are big reasons why to not trade him, I should have said the cap being one the main reasons why we won't trade him.

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[quote=Schneed10;267392]The short answer is they could afford it if they really wanted to.

Trading him would hit us with a cap hit of $8.2 million in 2007. He's already on the books for $7.1 million in 2007 as it is, so it wouldn't be that much more to absorb. BUT, the Redskins have no intention of having him count $7.1 million in 2007: they'll restructure (he'll be willing) and give him what his contract calls for. That will reduce his cap number to something like $3 million, so really, the opportunity cost of trading Portis is like $5.2 million or something.

If the 'Skins wanted to make this their major personnel move and not really make many other changes, they'd still be able to get rid of either Archuleta or Lloyd, but probably not both.

I'd say the likelihood of all this happening is something like 0.00001%. Gibbs loves Portis, and with Duckett leaving, we can't just go with Betts as our #1 and have nobody behind him (Rock Cartwright does not count, he is not good enough).[/quote]

Thanks Schneed for claification on this. So basically we can rule out any trade with him because we need to have him restrucure to save cap space in 2007.

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Just for discussion, i would hate to see CP go b/c he is one of the "core" guys. It's not going to happen though. This organization has been blasted this year about letting "core" guys go.

Now, all of the overpaying, questionable FO moves the FO makes have left us w/ a severe lack of talent on D, essentially no draft, and no depth on D. With that being said if the skins did this they might be-would be in better shape. They would fill the need in CB. They would be able to get some major young talent on D. W/ the #2 & 6 pick we could keep one trade down into the lower 1st and get a 2nd most likely. 3 top picks for an aging D. Wow. Thoughts?

This of course is w/out taking CAP #'s into account.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;267397]But as far as all these trade talks, I'm sure it has been made aware to other teams that Portis is available, and if anyone in the Redskins front office says otherwise, they're lying. It may not have been a direct statement, but I'm sure that it leaked somehow. And with teams throwing 2nd overall picks around, I'm willing to bet that Portis is finished as a Redskin... :banghead:[/QUOTE]

I think I agree with this assessment. Gibbs'll say something to the effect that you can't pass on an ace corner and the 2nd overall pick in the draft for ANYONE in the NFL. I'm guessing that would be the gist of it if he were dealt. I really can't say that I think Clinton will be back with this team next season. I really think he'll end up in some other city while the Skins are taking a player (maybe) and they're first round pick in the draft.

I think this is a serious run at Clinton being made by the Lions and the Skins are at least listening. If they do deal Clinton, though, they need another running back. Where does this guy come from? Right now, if the move happened, I'd be crying my eyes out that 1. Clinton would be gone (more than the next) and 2. because Darren McFadden isn't going into the draft.

So, where would they go if they did make this trade? Any thoughts?

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[quote=Bill B;267401]Thanks Schneed for claification on this. So basically we can rule out any trade with him because we need to have him restrucure to save cap space in 2007.[/quote]

Yeah basically. At the very least, it's fair to say that while trading him wouldn't be impossible from a cap standpoint, doing so would limit our other free agent signings.

Maybe that's a good thing, I dunno. Maybe we don't want to bring in a whole lot of free agents.

But the bigger issue is that Gibbs loves Portis and would never trade him. He just means too much to the team, Betts' great year notwithstanding.

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[quote=jdlea;267404]I think I agree with this assessment. Gibbs'll say something to the effect that you can't pass on an ace corner and the 2nd overall pick in the draft for ANYONE in the NFL. I'm guessing that would be the gist of it if he were dealt. I really can't say that I think Clinton will be back with this team next season. I really think he'll end up in some other city while the Skins are taking a player (maybe) and they're first round pick in the draft.

I think this is a serious run at Clinton being made by the Lions and the Skins are at least listening. If they do deal Clinton, though, they need another running back. Where does this guy come from? Right now, if the move happened, I'd be crying my eyes out that 1. Clinton would be gone (more than the next) and 2. because Darren McFadden isn't going into the draft.

So, where would they go if they did make this trade? Any thoughts?[/quote]

Wow, that's a total misunderstanding of Joe Gibbs. I couldn't disagree with you more. No way Portis gets traded. No way in hell.

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If our FO would trade Portis away, I would think that I probably would take a year or two off from football....

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Why do you assume that it was leaked that Portis is available? Isn't it possible that the rumor started based on speculation by others around the league?

That rumor started because people looked at Betts and said hey he's a starter. The Skins might want to think about trading Portis.

That doesn't mean the Skins are thinking about it.

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jones really hasnt lived up to expectations so far, portis would upgrade their running game big time, they do need a rb. jones has had 3 years and hasnt proven much. id go for trade 2 or 3 in this scenario, not #1

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;267392]The short answer is they could afford it if they really wanted to.

Trading him would hit us with a cap hit of $8.2 million in 2007. He's already on the books for $7.1 million in 2007 as it is, so it wouldn't be that much more to absorb. BUT, the Redskins have no intention of having him count $7.1 million in 2007: they'll restructure (he'll be willing) and give him what his contract calls for. That will reduce his cap number to something like $3 million, so really, the opportunity cost of trading Portis is like $5.2 million or something.

If the 'Skins wanted to make this their major personnel move and not really make many other changes, they'd still be able to get rid of either Archuleta or Lloyd, but probably not both.

I'd say the likelihood of all this happening is something like 0.00001%. Gibbs loves Portis, and with Duckett leaving, we can't just go with Betts as our #1 and have nobody behind him (Rock Cartwright does not count, he is not good enough).[/QUOTE]

Just curious to know how you are sure CP will be willing to restructure. If it means less $ in his pocket I doubt CP will restructure.

Gibbs does like CP and AS likes Betts so it will be interesting to see what happens.

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It would be hard to turn down a Portis for Bly and the number 2 pick scenario, but I would probably weigh-in on the "opposed" side of that one. Essentially it would constitute a trade of Champ and a 2nd rounder for Bly (with a 3-year Portis rental) and the second pick in the draft.

Still, I think Portis is too valuable to the team in too many ways to be traded. Add in the signal it sends to his teammates and I just think it's a bad plan. Before trading Portis, we would need a Hershel Walker type offer and I don't see anyone making such an offer.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;267407]Wow, that's a total misunderstanding of Joe Gibbs. I couldn't disagree with you more. No way Portis gets traded. No way in hell.[/QUOTE]

We'll see. Nothing would surprise me from this team or this coaching staff anymore. I don't buy Gibbs for a minute when he says "we're NOT trading Clinton." Like I said before, I heard that song and dance before the 05 draft when, at FedEx for the draft day party, not long before the draft, he said, "We gotta go get Patrick some weapons." They went on to draft Rogers and Campbell.

I don't disagree that he loves Clinton Portis. But I think that he thinks he could win with Betts and another back. I hope I'm wrong, but the way things have been going over the past few years, I don't know that I am. I think it's about a 40% chance Clinton is back next season. I just don't see it happening.

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[QUOTE=irish;267414]Just curious to know how you are sure CP will be willing to restructure. If it means less $ in his pocket I doubt CP will restructure.[/QUOTE]

The money owed to CP would turn into a signing bonus/guaranteed money.

I could be wrong though. Schneed?

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[quote=irish;267414]Just curious to know how you are sure CP will be willing to restructure. If it means less $ in his pocket I doubt CP will restructure.

Gibbs does like CP and AS likes Betts so it will be interesting to see what happens.[/quote]

That's the thing about a restructure, there isn't less money involved. A paycut involves less money, but a restructure does not. Portis is owed $3.5 million in base salary this year. The Redskins could clear $2.0 - $2.5 million in cap space just by saying hey Clinton, of the $3.5 million you're scheduled to make, we'll give you $3.0 million up front as a signing bonus, and we'll give you the other $500K as the vet minimum base salary. He'll be like you mean I get a big check up front instead of spread out over the year in game checks? Where do I sign?

There's no incentive to deny a restructure.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;267418]The money owed to CP would turn into a signing bonus/guaranteed money.

I could be wrong though. Schneed?[/QUOTE]

That's usually what they do, but I also think that just takes the pressure off of the cap for this season. It usually means that future cap hits are just gonna get worse. That one I need Schneed for...

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[quote=Redskins_P;267418]The money owed to CP would turn into a signing bonus/guaranteed money.

I could be wrong though. Schneed?[/quote]

Yep that's how it works.

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[quote=Schneed10;267407]Wow, that's a total misunderstanding of Joe Gibbs. I couldn't disagree with you more. No way Portis gets traded. No way in hell.[/quote]

Uhh... Gibbs never tells the whole story. What makes you think that this situation is any different? This is the same guy that said they were drafting offensive weapons for Ramsey a couple years ago, and picks a corner and quarterback. This year, he's been saying that the problems had nothing to do with lack of communication, and everything is structured perfectly within the organization, but players are running to reporters talking about how some coaches don't even speak to others, players on the same unit have different meetings, etc.

As much as I would like to be wrong in this instance, I'm 99% sure that Portis is going to be gone, especially when people throw ridiculous packages around, like a Pro Bowl corner and the #2 overall pick.

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[quote=Southpaw;267426]Uhh... Gibbs never tells the whole story. What makes you think that this situation is any different? This is the same guy that said they were drafting offensive weapons for Ramsey a couple years ago, and picks a corner and quarterback. This year, he's been saying that the problems had nothing to do with lack of communication, and everything is structured perfectly within the organization, but players are running to reporters talking about how some coaches don't even speak to others, players on the same unit have different meetings, etc.

[B]As much as I would like to be wrong in this instance, I'm 99% sure that Portis is going to be gone, especially when people throw ridiculous packages around, like a Pro Bowl corner and the #2 overall pick.[/quote[/B]]


as good of a deal that that is ....i would die if we took it...i LOVE CP but i love betts too but goddammit i cant take 4-5 more years of betts throwing the ball on the ground....

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;267428]as good of a deal that that is ....i would die if we took it...i LOVE CP but i love betts too but goddammit i cant take 4-5 more years of betts throwing the ball on the ground....[/quote]

Agreed, but apparently in Washington, running for a lot of yards between the 20's overshadows fumbling in the red zone...

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;267428]as good of a deal that that is ....i would die if we took it...i LOVE CP but i love betts too but goddammit i cant take 4-5 more years of betts throwing the ball on the ground....[/QUOTE]

I think if they are going to take a deal for him, that's about as good as any to take. However, Dre Bly is getting old. He's 29, I thought he was about 2 years older than that, but still...a 29 year old corner for a 25 year old running back, doesn't seem like that great of a deal. However, the #2 has gotta be tempting.

I just like Clinton too much and think he's too good for them to trade him...I'm gonna be pissed if they do.

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I doubt it will happen. As much as people want to speculate....Portis will be a Redskin for awhile.

How quickly everyone forgets how he practically carried the team on his back during our 5 game winning streak in '05.

You can say what you want about Betts doing the same, but the difference is that we won games w/ CP and Betts essentially contributed to our losses with his fumbles.

Portis > Betts. End of story.

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[quote=jdlea;267423]That's usually what they do, but I also think that just takes the pressure off of the cap for this season. It usually means that future cap hits are just gonna get worse. That one I need Schneed for...[/quote]

Yes, you're right. If he's scheduled to make $3.5 million in base salary, and they restructure so that $3.0 million becomes signing bonus, then the signing bonus gets allocated over the remaining years of the contract.

Portis is under contract until 2011. That's 5 more seasons. So take the $3 million bonus and divide it by 5 years. That's $600K allocated to each season.

In 2007, Portis would count the $500K base salary, plus $600K for the allocated signing bonus, or $1.1 million in total (not considering roster bonus and previous signing bonus). So instead of counting the $3.5 million all this year, he's going to count $1.1 million, saving us $2.4 million in 2007 by restructuring.

In 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, his cap number goes up by $600K each year.

You can see how it works. Reduce the cap hit now, spread it out over the remaining years. The more years the player has left, the more the future hit is spread out. With the salary cap going up by like $7 million a year these days, adding $600K to a player's cap number really isn't a big deal at all, and that's exactly why the 'Skins never encounter the "cap hell" the pundits are always saying they'll run into.

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[quote=Southpaw;267426]Uhh... Gibbs never tells the whole story. What makes you think that this situation is any different? This is the same guy that said they were drafting offensive weapons for Ramsey a couple years ago, and picks a corner and quarterback. This year, he's been saying that the problems had nothing to do with lack of communication, and everything is structured perfectly within the organization, but players are running to reporters talking about how some coaches don't even speak to others, players on the same unit have different meetings, etc.

As much as I would like to be wrong in this instance, I'm 99% sure that Portis is going to be gone, especially when people throw ridiculous packages around, like a Pro Bowl corner and the #2 overall pick.[/quote]

I'm 99.99999% sure he's staying. Suffice it to say, one of us is going to be VERY surprised to be wrong. We'll see who's right.

Note to self: make fun of Southpaw when Portis suits up for the 'Skins in 2007.