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Is anyone an Insider with ESPN? That have an article talking about what a great move it was for us to get Smoot. Thought it would be a good read, but I am not an insider. We all know it was a great move but nice to see others think so as well.

On a side note, I really like Springs and even though he has been hurt, I hope he stays with us and come to his senses and restructures with his favourite childhood team. Springs, Smoot and Rogers looks like money to me.

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i would be happier with bly ,smoot and rogers, more of a healthy lineup

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Don Banks strikes again. Here is what he had to say about Bly and Smoot. Wow he has a mad on for us.

[B]7. The Lions trading Dre' Bly --[/B] It seems to me that Bly quickly showed his true colors by complaining that he wanted Detroit to trade him to Washington rather than Denver, because the Redskins were willing to give him a new contract and the Broncos aren't. Show me a guy who'd rather play for the perennially losing Redskins than the perennially winning Broncos and I'll show you the type of player that Lions coach [B]Rod Marinelli[/B] is trying to weed out of his locker room. At the very least, Detroit got a potential starter at offensive tackle ([B]George Foster[/B]) and running back ([B]Tatum Bell[/B]) in the Bly trade, which gives them lots of options at No. 2 in the draft.

Minnesota cut its losses with the clueless [B]Fred Smoot[/B].

Here is the link: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/06/liked.disliked/1.html]SI.com - Writers - Early reviews are in (cont.) - Tuesday March 6, 2007 12:57PM[/url]

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You know, a lot of people will have negative opinions on Smoot coming back to D.C.

Personally I think the move could end up being the smartest and best offseason move for us.

First off, we didn't break the bank by signing Smooty. Secondly, he wanted to come back to D.C. and be a Redskin. Which leads me to the third thing, in my mind if a guy wants to play ball for your team, chances are he's going to do a pretty good job for you.

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To me its obvious that the Smoot signing was a good move. Smoot played extremely well for us and that's something that shouldn't be overlooked. His bad years in Minnesota was because he was placed against top recievers constantly in Minnesota.
In other words he wasn't coached to his strengths, i like Smoot alot but he is not a shutdown corner. He needs to be covering the teams 2nd or 3rd wideout. Not the Marvin Harrisons, and Chad Johnsons. Gregg Williams knows how to get the best out of Smoot. Smoot could have commanded more money out on the market. Truth is we now have a very solid backfield. More capable of covering spread offenses. This is an excellent signing by the Skins!

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[quote=CanadianSkin;285438]Don Banks strikes again. Here is what he had to say about Bly and Smoot. Wow he has a mad on for us.

[B]7. The Lions trading Dre' Bly --[/B] It seems to me that Bly quickly showed his true colors by complaining that he wanted Detroit to trade him to Washington rather than Denver, because the Redskins were willing to give him a new contract and the Broncos aren't. Show me a guy who'd rather play for the perennially losing Redskins than the perennially winning Broncos and I'll show you the type of player that Lions coach [B]Rod Marinelli[/B] is trying to weed out of his locker room. At the very least, Detroit got a potential starter at offensive tackle ([B]George Foster[/B]) and running back ([B]Tatum Bell[/B]) in the Bly trade, which gives them lots of options at No. 2 in the draft.

Minnesota cut its losses with the clueless [B]Fred Smoot[/B].

Here is the link: [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/06/liked.disliked/1.html"]SI.com - Writers - Early reviews are in (cont.) - Tuesday March 6, 2007 12:57PM[/URL][/quote]

As far as I'm concerned, there really are no perennial losers or winners. It's all about who wins the Super Bowl. If you step back and look at it, all the teams were losers except the Colts.

With parity each year in this league, you never know what team is going to be this year's Titans or 49ers, teams that show marked improvement upon their previous year. Hell, you never know who is going to be your 2005 Redskins. The Broncos always make the playoffs and always bow out before winning anything big.

Before someone spouts off that bullshit rhetoric, you might want to be a little more objective.

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[quote=stu_nna;285461]To me its obvious that the Smoot signing was a good move. Smoot played extremely well for us and that's something that shouldn't be overlooked. His bad years in Minnesota was because he was placed against top recievers constantly in Minnesota.
In other words he wasn't coached to his strengths, i like Smoot alot but he is not a shutdown corner. He needs to be covering the teams 2nd or 3rd wideout. Not the Marvin Harrisons, and Chad Johnsons. Gregg Williams knows how to get the best out of Smoot. Smoot could have commanded more money out on the market. Truth is we now have a very solid backfield. More capable of covering spread offenses. This is an excellent signing by the Skins![/quote]
i totally agree, im happy as hell he is back. and you know what when he was with us champ was on the other side and i remember him getting alot of ints. great signing, how can u not like a guy who plays with cracked ribs.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;285449]You know, a lot of people will have negative opinions on Smoot coming back to D.C.

Personally I think the move could end up being the smartest and best offseason move for us.

First off, we didn't break the bank by signing Smooty. Secondly, he wanted to come back to D.C. and be a Redskin. Which leads me to the third thing, in my mind if a guy wants to play ball for your team, chances are he's going to do a pretty good job for you.[/QUOTE]



It's gotten to the point in today's game where it's difficult to determine whether a player want's to play for a particular team, or play for that team's money.

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I think Smoot played his best when he was hungry. He came into the league with a chip on his shoulder and he may have lost that in Minnesota once he got paid. I think he'll play hungry again for us, he's getting a second chance to prove himself and he can put his struggles in Minnesota behind him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;285486]I think Smoot played his best when he was hungry. He came into the league with a chip on his shoulder and he may have lost that in Minnesota once he got paid. I think he'll play hungry again for us, he's getting a second chance to prove himself and he can put his struggles in Minnesota behind him.[/quote]

When healthy, who is a better overall corner?

1) Smoot

2) Springs

?????????

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[quote=JDALY27;285488]When healthy, who is a better overall corner?

1) Smoot

2) Springs

?????????[/quote]

I would have to say Shawn Springs when healthy! I totally agree Smoot is good, but I would not say he is your number one guy.

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[quote=CanadianSkin;285438]Don Banks strikes again. Here is what he had to say about Bly and Smoot. Wow he has a mad on for us.

[B]7. The Lions trading Dre' Bly --[/B] It seems to me that Bly quickly showed his true colors by complaining that he wanted Detroit to trade him to Washington rather than Denver, because the Redskins were willing to give him a new contract and the Broncos aren't. Show me a guy who'd rather play for the perennially losing Redskins than the perennially winning Broncos and I'll show you the type of player that Lions coach [B]Rod Marinelli[/B] is trying to weed out of his locker room. At the very least, Detroit got a potential starter at offensive tackle ([B]George Foster[/B]) and running back ([B]Tatum Bell[/B]) in the Bly trade, which gives them lots of options at No. 2 in the draft.

Minnesota cut its losses with the clueless [B]Fred Smoot[/B].

Here is the link: [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/06/liked.disliked/1.html"]SI.com - Writers - Early reviews are in (cont.) - Tuesday March 6, 2007 12:57PM[/URL][/quote]

I have had about all i can take with Don Banks, he takes more shots at this organization than Peter King or Dr.Z. I cant take it anymore, everytime we do something he criticizes it. Hes never right about anything and still continues to get paid for his NFL expertise, what a joke that is. Everytime he writes something, no matter what its about, he takes a shot at Snyder, Gibbs or the Redskins. Hes as bad as Pete Prisco, if not worse, neither of them know football and both despise the Redskins, I hate both of them.

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[QUOTE=CanadianSkin;285438]Don Banks strikes again. Here is what he had to say about Bly and Smoot. Wow he has a mad on for us.

[B]7. The Lions trading Dre' Bly --[/B] It seems to me that Bly quickly showed his true colors by complaining that he wanted Detroit to trade him to Washington rather than Denver, because the Redskins were willing to give him a new contract and the Broncos aren't. Show me a guy who'd rather play for the perennially losing Redskins than the perennially winning Broncos and I'll show you the type of player that Lions coach [B]Rod Marinelli[/B] is trying to weed out of his locker room. At the very least, Detroit got a potential starter at offensive tackle ([B]George Foster[/B]) and running back ([B]Tatum Bell[/B]) in the Bly trade, which gives them lots of options at No. 2 in the draft.

Minnesota cut its losses with the clueless [B]Fred Smoot[/B].

Here is the link: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/06/liked.disliked/1.html]SI.com - Writers - Early reviews are in (cont.) - Tuesday March 6, 2007 12:57PM[/url][/QUOTE]

I couldnt agree more. Bly has like 10 years in the league and is looking for the Redskins to give him a comfortable retirement.

The Smoot signing was terrible. His best days are behind him and like someone else said he had Champ playing with him and covering the opposition's best WR. Smoot went to MN as THE MAN and ended up losing his job. Smoot was NFL trash blowing down the street and for some reason the Skins could not resist picking it up.

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[quote=JDALY27;285488]When healthy, who is a better overall corner?

1) Smoot

2) Springs

?????????[/quote]

Springs is done in my opinion. I think hes only going to get worse and worse, his health is really going downhill and his skills are dimishing rapidly. We need to get rid of him as soon as possible before other teams that are offering draft picks for him figure this out also.

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[quote=CanadianSkin;285492]I would have to say Shawn Springs when healthy! I totally agree Smoot is good, but I would not say he is your number one guy.[/quote]

I think Springs is much better when healthy. Better in every phase of the game. Smoot isn't strong or fast enought to lock up Steve Smith like Sprints did last year, nearly shut him down.

To me, Skins most likely are going to part ways with Springs, which is a mistake in my mind.

Hence, all the Bly rumors to Denver.

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[quote=Mattyk72;285486]I think Smoot played his best when he was hungry. He came into the league with a chip on his shoulder and he may have lost that in Minnesota once he got paid. I think he'll play hungry again for us, he's getting a second chance to prove himself and he can put his struggles in Minnesota behind him.[/quote]

You have to remember too, that to someone from Mississippee, Minnesota is like a foreign country. It's cold and the people talk funny. Sometimes you just don't feel at home.

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Off topic: mad props on the new avatar, Matty. Very nice.

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Bottom line, are we better off now than we were before this signing? Yes. Case closed.

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[quote=irish;285494]I couldnt agree more. Bly has like 10 years in the league and is looking for the Redskins to give him a comfortable retirement.

The Smoot signing was terrible. His best days are behind him and like someone else said he had Champ playing with him and covering the opposition's best WR. Smoot went to MN as THE MAN and ended up losing his job. Smoot was NFL trash blowing down the street and for some reason the Skins could not resist picking it up.[/quote]

It's obvious why Bly wants to be a Redskin. If we give him a 3 year deal I would be okay with the trade. Plus, La Canfora said that if the trade does happen, we will get for our 6th pick: Bly, Denver's 1st rd pick (21), a 3rd round pick and possibly a 2nd round pick. That's definitely worth it. Then we could trade Springs for even more draft picks.

And I don't think the Smoot signing was terrible. His best days are behind him?? What? He's only 27!! Minnesota was a team in transition while he was there, and he played under multiple head coaches/coordinators and never fit in. It obviously affected his play. While with us he played at a pro bowl level, was a locker room favorite, and led the team in INT's a couple of times. Plus he could have gotten an even bigger contract than the one we gave him if he had played the market, but he just wanted to come home. I LOVE that Freddy is back, and I couldn't disagree more with what you say here...

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In the past, when healthy, Springs was a top 5 CB. At his age now he is still a top 10-12 CB when healthy.

Smoot is a solid CB. Maybe top 40 but that is till good considering there are at least 96 of tme counting nicklebacks.

He can play #2s well and do a dcent job against #1s but he isn't as good as Springs by any stretch.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;285528]It's obvious why Bly wants to be a Redskin. If we give him a 3 year deal I would be okay with the trade. Plus, La Canfora said that if the trade does happen, we will get for our 6th pick: Bly, Denver's 1st rd pick (21), a 3rd round pick and possibly a 2nd round pick. That's definitely worth it. Then we could trade Springs for even more draft picks.

And I don't think the Smoot signing was terrible. His best days are behind him?? What? He's only 27!! Minnesota was a team in transition while he was there, and he played under multiple head coaches/coordinators and never fit in. It obviously affected his play. While with us he played at a pro bowl level, was a locker room favorite, and led the team in INT's a couple of times. Plus he could have gotten an even bigger contract than the one we gave him if he had played the market, but he just wanted to come home. I LOVE that Freddy is back, and I couldn't disagree more with what you say here...[/QUOTE]

The Redskins are the ultimate "team in Transition" team. They are always in transition so if being on a transition team bothers Smoot he's really in trouble here. Anything having to do with Smoot's stats on theSkins was 3 seasons ago which is a lifetime in the NFL. They are essentially meaningless. God Bless You if you believe the coming home stuff, I'm not as easily fooled. I heard a lot about how Smoot could have gotten a lot of other higher offers (mostly from the Skins & Smoot) but never actually saw one of these offers. I dont think Smoot was the hot FA most in Redskins land want to think he was.

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[quote=irish;285536]The Redskins are the ultimate "team in Transition" team. They are always in transition so if being on a transition team bothers Smoot he's really in trouble here. Anything having to do with Smoot's stats on theSkins was 3 seasons ago which is a lifetime in the NFL. They are essentially meaningless. God Bless You if you believe the coming home stuff, I'm not as easily fooled. I heard a lot about how Smoot could have gotten a lot of other higher offers (mostly from the Skins & Smoot) but never actually saw one of these offers. I dont think Smoot was the hot FA most in Redskins land want to think he was.[/quote]

He's a definite upgrade from Mike friggin Rumph or Kenny Wright, he's better than Ade Jimoh, and Springs' health is waaaayyy too iffy and he's 5 years older than Smoot. I heard that Smoot could have gotten more money from Tom Boswell of the Wash Post, not Smoot himself or the Skins. Plus the deal we gave him isn't as rich as initially reported. Yes he got a $7M signing bonus, but after that it's essentially $11.5M over three years (according to LaCanfora). Plus Smoot has played for G.Williams before, and knows a lot of the guys on this team. I just don't believe at 27 his best days are behind him, and I don't think it was a "terrible" move.

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irish would drop kick this without a second's hesitation.

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[quote=irish;285536]The Redskins are the ultimate "team in Transition" team. They are always in transition so if being on a transition team bothers Smoot he's really in trouble here. Anything having to do with Smoot's stats on theSkins was 3 seasons ago which is a lifetime in the NFL. They are essentially meaningless. God Bless You if you believe the coming home stuff, I'm not as easily fooled. I heard a lot about how Smoot could have gotten a lot of other higher offers (mostly from the Skins & Smoot) but never actually saw one of these offers. I dont think Smoot was the hot FA most in Redskins land want to think he was.[/quote]

I understand your argument, but Smoot isn't asked to come back and be "The man" here. He's asked to play a #2 or #3 corner which I think it's pretty widely accepted that he's a #2,#3 caliber player.

He had a lot of off the field distraction over in Minn. and there is no question that it effected his game, so it's not unreasonable to think he will improve.

As far as us being in transition, I say look at what we're doing in the offseason. I really don't feel like this is a transition at all. We're keeping virtually the entire o line, bringing back campbell as the starter, holding on to all of our coaches minus lindsay, and we're coming off a late season rally.

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[quote=FRPLG;285535]In the past, when healthy, Springs was a top 5 CB. At his age now he is still a top 10-12 CB when healthy.

Smoot is a solid CB. Maybe top 40 but that is till good considering there are at least 96 of tme counting nicklebacks.

He can play #2s well and do a dcent job against #1s but he isn't as good as Springs by any stretch.[/quote]

At 32 years old and after being riddled with sooo many injuries, at what point does Springs lose a step?? There is a reason we want him to restructure and possibly move to safety.

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[quote=CanadianSkin;285438]Don Banks strikes again. Here is what he had to say about Bly and Smoot. Wow he has a mad on for us.

[B]7. The Lions trading Dre' Bly --[/B] It seems to me that Bly quickly showed his true colors by complaining that he wanted Detroit to trade him to Washington rather than Denver, because the Redskins were willing to give him a new contract and the Broncos aren't. Show me a guy who'd rather play for the perennially losing Redskins than the perennially winning Broncos and I'll show you the type of player that Lions coach [B]Rod Marinelli[/B] is trying to weed out of his locker room. At the very least, Detroit got a potential starter at offensive tackle ([B]George Foster[/B]) and running back ([B]Tatum Bell[/B]) in the Bly trade, which gives them lots of options at No. 2 in the draft.

Minnesota cut its losses with the clueless [B]Fred Smoot[/B].

Here is the link: [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/06/liked.disliked/1.html"]SI.com - Writers - Early reviews are in (cont.) - Tuesday March 6, 2007 12:57PM[/URL][/quote]


I hope we don't bring Bly here. He's going to end up being the Brandon Lloyd on defense. Leave him alone.

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Honestly, I don't even care if that meant we could attain some more picks. Hell, sit him on the bench and draft a CB with the second round pick for all I care.

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The thing I’m worried about is, if we trade Springs for Bly, who is our #1 CB? None of the three (Smoot, Rogers, or Bly) has shown in their NFL careers that they can be a #1 CB. I like all 3, Rogers is going to have a great career (not ready to be a #1 CB), Smoot is a great #2 or nickel and I would say the same about Bly. But all 3 of them on the field together against a good offense could be trouble, for the skins.

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Bly has shown that fairly consistently.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;285540][IMG]http://xbe.xanga.com/c50a95500053277808051/z52745699.jpg[/IMG]

irish would drop kick this without a second's hesitation.[/quote]

he would probably shit on him first

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Who cares if a player plays for money.
Is anyone under the illusion that he'd somehow play less hard because he got paid?
Stupidest thing I ever heard,, somehow he's less motivated because a team coughed up the cash for him?
Someone should clue Don Banks in as to what a 'professional" is.



~Bang

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Right. Does he think he's going to get paid AGAIN if he decides to slack off? I would think not.

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Not only that, teams can cut them without any guaranteed money besides the signing bonus. If you screw around, you get cut, no more money, game over.

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[QUOTE=irish;285536]The Redskins are the ultimate "team in Transition" team. They are always in transition so if being on a transition team bothers Smoot he's really in trouble here. Anything having to do with Smoot's stats on theSkins was 3 seasons ago which is a lifetime in the NFL. They are essentially meaningless. God Bless You if you believe the coming home stuff, I'm not as easily fooled. I heard a lot about how Smoot could have gotten a lot of other higher offers (mostly from the Skins & Smoot) but never actually saw one of these offers. I dont think Smoot was the hot FA most in Redskins land want to think he was.[/QUOTE]

Yes. They are [I]always[/I] team transition. - Oh except that its the same D-coordinator as when he left, and, oh yeah, the head coach is the same too.
They play the same defense, and, let's see, M. Washington, Shawn Taylor, C. Griffin - he played with several of the same starters.

As for not hearing of any other offers - we'll get the memo circulated that offers must first be submitted to Offiss for proper scrutiny.

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Fred Smoot
When I first heard cornerback Fred Smoot was signing with Washington, I thought this might be another instance of the Redskins' front office overpaying for a player whose performance levels don't match his reputation.

For more see espn.com

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Smoot is definitely not a #1 CB, but he is a great #2 or #3, therefore I think Smoot will do fine in his second stint as a Redskin.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;285495]Springs is done in my opinion. I think hes only going to get worse and worse, his health is really going downhill and his skills are dimishing rapidly. We need to get rid of him as soon as possible before other teams that are offering draft picks for him figure this out also.[/quote]
Dang man from what you said he will be dead in a week or two.

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[quote=irish;285494]I couldnt agree more. Bly has like 10 years in the league and is looking for the Redskins to give him a comfortable retirement.

The Smoot signing was terrible. His best days are behind him and like someone else said he had Champ playing with him and covering the opposition's best WR. Smoot went to MN as THE MAN and ended up losing his job. Smoot was NFL trash blowing down the street and for some reason the Skins could not resist picking it up.[/quote]
NFL trash?? that's utterly ludicrous, this guy had more INT's for us than any of last years starters. Also, since when does a 27 yr old corner have his best days behind him? Minnesota misused Smoot. How else can u explain the drop off in play from when he was here to when he was a Viking. The man played with heart when he was here. He didn't even cost us a bundle! Are u saying that u would rather have Kenny Wright?? With a 23rd ranked passing defense, we did the right thing. Enough tearing the team down for the smart moves we make. Smoot was the second best corner available.

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[quote=stu_nna;285646]NFL trash?? that's utterly ludicrous, this guy had more INT's for us than any of last years starters. Also, since when does a 27 yr old corner have his best days behind him? Minnesota misused Smoot. How else can u explain the drop off in play from when he was here to when he was a Viking. The man played with heart when he was here. He didn't even cost us a bundle! Are u saying that u would rather have Kenny Wright?? With a 23rd ranked passing defense, we did the right thing. Enough tearing the team down for the smart moves we make. Smoot was the second best corner available.[/quote]nice post, welcome to the board.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;285605]Yes. They are [I]always[/I] team transition. - Oh except that its the same D-coordinator as when he left, and, oh yeah, the head coach is the same too.
They play the same defense, and, let's see, M. Washington, Shawn Taylor, C. Griffin - he played with several of the same starters.

As for not hearing of any other offers - we'll get the memo circulated that offers must first be submitted to Offiss for proper scrutiny.[/QUOTE]

A lot of guy's get mad because some of us seem to be knocking the Skins the majority of the time, I know it's more fun to root for your team than slam it, but the fact is the knocks are not unwarrented, the Skins constantly screw up thats why we are the laughing stock amoungst the NFL, so to point that out doesn't mean we are mean individuals, it just means we are pointing out our usual screw up with personel and venting our frustration. I personally don't have a prob with the Smoot signing, he's not a #1 CB but he's not paid like one either. The fact is management has not shown the ability to learn from thier mistakes, although I will give them big up's for not resigning Dock who was a big waste of space, a poor man's Big Daddy on the offensive side of the ball. I have alway's liked Fletcher but not at 10 and a half mil up front and at 32, all because we threw away our draft picks, Skins management doesn't believe you can find serious talent in the draft and look to short cut it with sub par talent with big price tags waving the proverbial flag of they have experience. Sorry but we could have built a perenial SB contender with the amount of talent we have passed up in the draft either through lowsey picks or trading away picks that could have brought back big time talent in the draft, and there doesn't seem to be an end!