The latest on Briggs: Bears want more
 

The Washington Redskins' proposed trade for Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs will reach a secondary stage today when the Bears are expected to counter the Redskins' offer of the team's sixth overall pick in next month's draft in return for Chicago's 31st pick and Briggs.

Full Story: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/01/AR2007040101038.html]Bears to Come With Briggs Counteroffer - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I'd give them Lemar Marshall. I'm not giving up Golston or McIntosh, and I'm sure as hell am not giving them anymore picks. Hell I'm on the fence on this whole deal. This guy could be great for us and maybe it truly would be a great addition for us OR are we back to the same old thing of bringing a guy who doesn't fit with our system or locker room.

The whole locker room thing though is winning cures alot of things. Can we win? If we win guys are going to be happy, but in losing we create bad attitudes among players.

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If they want Rocky or Golston i'd say screw it. Thats way too much. I'd be ok with parting ways with Marshall. They should of used Arch in this scenario a few weeks ago. Oh well. Another day in the life of a Redskins soap opera we call the offseason.

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I think we're already a bit on the short end, throwing in a player would make this a horrible deal for us.

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I really hope this deal doesn't get done....

At this point I don't even care who we draft at 6, as long as we keep the pick and use it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;293809]I think we're already a bit on the short end, throwing in a player would make this a horrible deal for us.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Is bringing in Briggs really going to improve our D? Wasn't he just benefitting from being by Urlacher anyways?

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More sleepless nights for those who were upset about the original offer. Obviously Briggs is better than Marshall but if this trade went down as proposed it would represent yet another instance of jetisoning a core guy who has worked hard, put in his time, has struggled against the odds (low round draft pick, safety in college, etc.), and has proven successful (very much so in 2005). As I said, Briggs would be an upgrade, no doubt, but maybe I'm confused but I thought the very definition of 'core Redskins' were guys who fought hard, weren't superstars, and sacrificed for the team. Lemar Marshall has done all that, Lance Briggs has not. The whole 'core Redskins' rhethoric already rings hollow to basically everyone, it will be completely eviserated if this trade goes down. Giving up Rocky or Golston would make even less sense. This trade is stupid, the counter offer will give the Skins a chance to back out and save face...I'm thinking they won't take the opportunity. As JLC said in his blog, this thing stinks of Danny Snyder to the core...ownership driven all the way no matter what they say about Gibbs being the man at the Park.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;293809]I think we're already a bit on the short end, throwing in a player would make this a horrible deal for us.[/QUOTE]

My sentiments exactly.

What the hell are we thinking? This is just another case of overvaluing a player. This deal has Snyder circa 99 written all over it! It wasn't a good deal to start with, so we are throwing MORE in? Skrew that, let the Bears keep and work out their own problems!

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I've changed my mind about the Briggs deal. We need to let McIntosh have a chance to play. He was held back I think by Lindsey. Players need to feel like they will be trusted with an opportunity, and McIntosh deserves that, rather than being relegated to backup status.

Now Chicago wants more. Well, my response is that that is a joke. They can trade with someone else. Whoops, they don't have anyone else willing to trade for him. Yet they want even more. Too bad. Let Chicago have Briggs, and his 10 game holdout.

I am concerned the more I think about it how the Briggs situation came up. It doesn't have the feel of a Joe Gibbs managed situation. The agent is too involved, and there was word that Gibbs would be informed and consulted, as if he wasn't initiating this. Gibbs has to be in full control, or this franchise is in trouble.

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The Redskins should say thanks but no thanks. I warmed up to the proposed deal as last week went on, we'd be getting a very good player and still had a #1 pick but adding a player to the deal makes a bad deal worse. If we give up McIntosh or Marshall we need to ask for 2nd and 5th round picks as well. We're doing the Bears a favor, not the other way around.

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I agree Matty--this makes a bad deal worse, IMO.

Hopefully, this will shut the talk down. But I'm pretty sure that Drew Rosenhaus is using his close relationship with the skins to work this into a frenzy. If no one shows interest in Briggs, he has no real leverage to get a new deal. My guess is Drew is driving the rumors and the skins are willing to see what happens, in the hope of getting a good deal on a proven player.

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no, but maybe since they did us a favor with A.A., we kind of owe them one. but the trade isn't the greatest, as it is set up right now, for the skins

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I think what the redskins initially offered was more than enough and maybe made sense in a way. They gain a proven player at an area that they seem to feel was a weakness last year by moving down from the top to the bottom of the draft. What the Bears get is something positive for something that is negatively affecting their team.

If the redskins have to give up another player (with the players mentioned in the article) or draft pick, it wouldn't benefit the redskins at all. The whole point of the trade would be - to help strengthen an area of weakness. The players that were listed in the scenario are at positions of perceived weakness for the redskins: linebacker and defensive tackle. Addition-by-subtraction is not the case in this situation.

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Meantime I'll bet Joe Gibbs is sitting back saying we've had no contact with the Bears. Hillarious.

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I sit on this until we are on the clock. Everyone knows we are willing to make a move, if it's right. The deal needs to be a GIFT to do it now. Who can absolutely say who will be there at # 6?? It's not a.........gift deal. Wait, and let em' come to us

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I'd say the Briggs thread count is catching up to the Brunell, Ramsey, Lavar thread counts. I'm even thinking of a new slant to this so I can start a thread.

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Say "you want Marshall? Throw in the 38th pick in addition to the 31st and we have a deal", if they say "no", say "have a nice day, call us if you change your mind, enjoy your LB sitting out." If only the FO were this smart.

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[SIZE=5][SIZE=2]Here is the thing that gets to me we claim that we need defensive[/SIZE] [/SIZE][SIZE=2]line help yet we have brought in 0 free agents i dont get that ian scott is still out there played solid for the bears and he is 25 years old and i know that the FO wanted briggs before we traded AA so why didnt we bring him up then dumb move by us and this is what the trade should look like if we give up marshall[/SIZE]

bears get:
6th pick
marshall

redskins get:
31st pick
lance briggs
2nd rd pick 37th overall
we have leverage why not use it for once GOD

but right now i think we should keep the pick sign ian scott before the draft and take either gaines adams or laron landry damn skins u messed up on this one

I know i am not the only one who feels that they screwed up here

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Earthquake,

I come to you as a friend. Using really big font, all caps, etc. will not make more people read your posts. Nope, it will just make people angry, or at the very least annoyed.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;293862]Earthquake,

I come to you as a friend. Using really big font, all caps, etc. will not make more people read your posts. Nope, it will just make people angry, or at the very least annoyed.[/quote]

i know it is just i never made any posts that big before i just thought it would be funny to go big and then at the end make it small i didnt mean anything by it

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Let's be clear that it's the Bears that want more, the Redskins aren't offering more.

Yet.

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As of today, I hate THAT word!..................BANNED

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[quote=Hog1;293869]As of today, I hate THAT word!..................BANNED[/quote]

why

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The bears must really think we are stupid? And thier right!

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this trade gets dumber by the minute...and so we're more likely to do it...maybe they can throw in some magic beans

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I'm more amazed at how many different threads about the same topic can get past 2 and 3 pgs so easily.

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If we trade #6 and McIntosh for Briggs and the #29, I am going to become a New England Patriots fan until Dan Snyder is banned from the NFL for making under-the-table deals with Drew Rosenhaus.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;293885]I'm more amazed at how many different threads about the same topic can get past 2 and 3 pgs so easily.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding I could put this into a 30 page discussion in a heartbeat, watch.

Gibbs is about to screw up this trade just like he did with Brunell, and then benching the better QB in Ramsey, he never learns! Now just watch 12thman.:towel:

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That's Humor

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I'm tired of this whole Briggs thing. I wish someone would pull the plug on it.
We don't need the guy. And we especially don't need to pay his ass 20 mil. in guar. money. What we need to do is call Cooley's agent and resign him to a long term deal.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of chasing other teams players. It's getting older than dirt. Somebody call Floyd Reese.

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What's annoyed me about the comments on this trade has been that people (including in this article) are saying the deal is in the Bears favor.
Despite what any draft point system says, on paper this is a really good deal for us, we get 2 players & they get 1.

However, I'm worried about this deal for team chemistry & cap reasons. If we throw in another player, this deal doesn't even look good on paper.

I hope Denver's signing Bly doesn't bust their cap space to the point that they don't want the #6 anymore. They have the picks to offer.

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[quote=12thMan;293885]I'm more amazed at how many different threads about the same topic can get past 2 and 3 pgs so easily.[/quote]

This topic has been beaten into the ground. Isn't there something else to talk about? It's Masters week.

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[quote=freddyg12;293899]What's annoyed me about the comments on this trade has been that people (including in this article) are saying the deal is in the Bears favor.
Despite what any draft point system says, on paper this is a really good deal for us, we get 2 players & they get 1.

However, I'm worried about this deal for team chemistry & cap reasons. If we throw in another player, this deal doesn't even look good on paper.

I hope Denver's signing Bly doesn't bust their cap space to the point that they don't want the #6 anymore. They have the picks to offer.[/quote]

That's true, but also think of what we're TRASHING (2 2nd rounders) by basically giving up on Rocky.

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Rocky, Lemar, Golston- either way it stinks. And it's repeating our pattern of ignoring the value of the draft.

If we ship off Rocky, we're never even giving a guy we traded THREE picks to get a chance to showcase his skills as a starter. We gave the Jets our 2nd rounder last year (53rd overall), plus our 2nd and 6th rounders this year. So that would be giving up on a player AND FOUR DRAFT PICKS (I'm counting our 6th overall this year) before we even give him a shot to really play. Lunacy.

If we ship off Golston we are getting rid of yet another draft pick who ended up being somewhat of a steal. He played well when Salave'a got hurt, and ummm hello, we DESPERATELY need help on the D-line!! So including the 6th pick there are two more draft picks down the drain.

If we ship off Lemar, were are losing a leader who will provide valuable depth at both OLB and MLB, and he's a "core redskin" according to Joe. This would definitely not sit well in the locker room- trading him away to bring in a guy who refuses to go play for the defending NFC champs and a world class defense for $7M a year.

If this trade happens, Joe Gibbs owes it to the fans to have a Q & A session so we can find out where he gets crack. This is sickening. Another case of a FA wanting to come play for the Danny and get paid. I knew that week in Arizona was gonna be bad for us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;293900]This topic has been beaten into the ground. Isn't there something else to talk about? It's Masters week.[/quote]
Go to other sport section I started a Masters thread.

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Obviously the Bears know we have an inept FO, so they're going to try to get as much out of us as possible.

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[quote=GMScud;293923]Rocky, Lemar, Golston- either way it stinks. And it's repeating our pattern of ignoring the value of the draft.

If we ship off Rocky, we're never even giving a guy we traded THREE picks to get a chance to showcase his skills as a starter. We gave the Jets our 2nd rounder last year (53rd overall), plus our 2nd and 6th rounders this year. So that would be giving up on a player AND FOUR DRAFT PICKS (I'm counting our 6th overall this year) before we even give him a shot to really play. Lunacy.

If we ship off Golston we are getting rid of yet another draft pick who ended up being somewhat of a steal. He played well when Salave'a got hurt, and ummm hello, we DESPERATELY need help on the D-line!! So including the 6th pick there are two more draft picks down the drain.

If we ship off Lemar, were are losing a leader who will provide valuable depth at both OLB and MLB, and he's a "core redskin" according to Joe. This would definitely not sit well in the locker room- trading him away to bring in a guy who refuses to go play for the defending NFC champs and a world class defense for $7M a year.

If this trade happens, Joe Gibbs owes it to the fans to have a Q & A session so we can find out where he gets crack. This is sickening. Another case of a FA wanting to come play for the Danny and get paid. I knew that week in Arizona was gonna be bad for us.[/quote]

agreed, I don't want the 1st Briggs deal, but I think it is a good value. Adding another player really negates the value of the deal, and as you mention we'd still have the chemistry issue w/bringing in a guy w/20 mil guaranteed.

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[quote=skinsfan69;293900]This topic has been beaten into the ground. Isn't there something else to talk about? It's Masters week.[/quote]


I'm lucky enough to live in titletown USA (Gainesville, Fl), and my Gators are going for their 3rd NCAA championship in the last 12 months tonight. It takes some sting of the constant woes of the Skins organization. Unfortunately I often get mistaken for a Seminole with all the Redskins stuff I'm always wearing.

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[quote=JankySpanky80;293808]If they want Rocky or Golston i'd say screw it. Thats way too much. I'd be ok with parting ways with Marshall. They should of used Arch in this scenario a few weeks ago. Oh well. Another day in the life of a Redskins soap opera we call the offseason.[/quote]

The Skins need to let Rocky and Goldston have another year or two to make their presence felt. Why trade away two young and relatively cheap players who still have the upside of their careers left?

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Well, Adam Schefter from NFL Network is reporting that the Redskins will [B][U]NOT[/U][/B] offer up a player in addition to the 6th overall pick. It's a take it or leave it deal from their end.