Santana vs. Randy
 

There was a little debate going on about this in the Brady's Bedtime Buddies thread. I just want to bring this out in the open for everyone to discuss. Right now, which Moss would you rather have on the team, Santanna or Randy. I'm sayin Santanna.

1) Randy Moss is getting old, while Santanna is in the prime of his career.

2) Randy Moss is afraid to get hit, while Santanna constantly goes over the middle and takes shots. I have seen Randy Moss stop running routes before because he knew he was going to get hit. If you doubt me, watch the 2001 NFC Championship game when the Giants spanked Minnesota. He wouldn't even sacrifice his body in a big game.

3) Randy takes plays off, Sanatanna goes hard the entire game.

4) Randy has a huge ego and an attitude problem while Santanna just wants to win.

5) Randy does not have the YAC ability that Santanna has. While Randy may be a better deep ball threat, Santanna is no slouch there either. Brunell to Moss, TD! Brunell to Moss, TD! Does anyone remember that game?

While in the prime of his career Randy may have be better than Santanna, there is no way I'd rather have him on the Skins than Santanna right now.

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There's only one receiver in the entire NFL that I would take over S. Moss; Steve Smith. And even then I feel like I'm splitting hairs.

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I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

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[quote=Daseal;305872]I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.[/quote]

No way. I think he's easily in the top 5. Even if you're not a Skins fan.

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Yeah, I have to agree with 12th here. While Santana hasn't consistently put up the numbers you want to see from an elite receiver in the league, I would still say top ten.

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Our Moss needs to bounce back and put up 1000+ to be in the conversation for best WRs in the league again. Yes he was nicked up last year and playing with a less than desirable QB situation, but still, 2005 was a long time ago.

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[quote=Mattyk72;305878]Our Moss needs to bounce back and put up 1000+ to be in the conversation for best WRs in the league again. Yes he was nicked up last year and playing with a less than desirable QB situation, but still, 2005 was a long time ago.[/quote]


The same could be said for Randy Moss too. When was the last time he put up stellar numbers?

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[quote=Mattyk72;305878]Our Moss needs to bounce back and put up 1000+ to be in the conversation for best WRs in the league again. [B][I]Yes he was nicked up last year[/I][/B] and playing with a less than desirable QB situation, but still, 2005 was a long time ago.[/quote]

And what worries me was that was his knock before coming to Washington. At least it's not for a lack of effort from Santana as it is from Randy.

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[quote=Daseal;305872]I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.[/quote]

If he's in the bottom 10-15, I want to know who you think is better than him.

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[quote=12thMan;305879]The same could be said for Randy Moss too. When was the last time he put up stellar numbers?[/quote]

I agree, but if you want to compare their careers there's simply no comparing them. Randy has had a Hall of Fame career, I don't think the same could be said of Santana.

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[quote=Mattyk72;305882]I agree, but if you want to compare their careers there's simply no comparing them. Randy has had a Hall of Fame career, I don't think the same could be said of Santana.[/quote]

Correct. I actually think R.Moss is a lock for the Hall.

But over the past, let's say three seasons, S.Moss all day long in my book.

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Our Moss has a bit more to prove in my book when comparing him to Randy, that's all I'm saying.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;305872]I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

C'mon man, bottom 10 or 15? I know you thrive on pessimism but jeez

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[quote=SmootSmack;305889]C'mon man, bottom 10 or 15? I know you thrive on pessimism but jeez[/quote]

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

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I'm waiting to hear Daseal proclaim his love again for David Boston. ;)

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Overall, Randy Moss has the better looking career numbers, but if I had to choose one to be on the team right now, it'd definitely be Santana. If Randy Moss was on the team last season, dealing with the lack of a passing attack, he would have been all over Sportscenter bitching about how the team is poorly coached, just like he did with the Raiders.

And while I don't think Santana has quite the speed or hops that R. Moss has, his ability to adjust to the ball is better than probably any receiver in the league. That's a much bigger asset to a young quarterback than bitchy receiver that gives up on routes whenever he feels like it.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;305892]I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

[B]Steve Smith[/B]
[B]Chad Johnson[/B]
[B]Marvin Harrison[/B]
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
[B]Fitzgerald[/B]
Boldin
Santana Moss[/quote]

I put in bold the players, who I believe may [I]currently [/I]be equal, or maybe better than Santanna Moss. Andre Johnson may have more talent, but he hasnt' gotten the chance to prove it yet because of his bad team. In addition, I believe that Santanna is faster than Randy.

Scroll down here to his 10th response involving his 40 time.
[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174956]EXTREMESKINS.com - Oct 13: Santana Moss[/url]

Look at the bottom where it says trade to patriots.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Moss]Randy Moss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Looks to me they're about the same, Santanna may have the edge.

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[quote=gabe1984;305869]There was a little debate going on about this in the Brady's Bedtime Buddies thread. I just want to bring this out in the open for everyone to discuss. Right now, which Moss would you rather have on the team, Santanna or Randy. I'm sayin Santanna.

1) Randy Moss is getting old, while Santanna is in the prime of his career.

2) Randy Moss is afraid to get hit, while Santanna constantly goes over the middle and takes shots. I have seen Randy Moss stop running routes before because he knew he was going to get hit. If you doubt me, watch the 2001 NFC Championship game when the Giants spanked Minnesota. He wouldn't even sacrifice his body in a big game.

3) Randy takes plays off, Sanatanna goes hard the entire game.

4) Randy has a huge ego and an attitude problem while Santanna just wants to win.

5) Randy does not have the YAC ability that Santanna has. While Randy may be a better deep ball threat, Santanna is no slouch there either. Brunell to Moss, TD! Brunell to Moss, TD! Does anyone remember that game?

While in the prime of his career Randy may have be better than Santanna, there is no way I'd rather have him on the Skins than Santanna right now.[/quote]
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[COLOR=black]You're asking Redskins fans, on a Redskins forum to pick between Randy and Santana!?!?! ... stop the madness...[/COLOR]

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[quote=hesscl34;305906]
[COLOR=black]You're asking Redskins fans, on a Redskins forum to pick between Randy and Santana!?!?! ... stop the madness...[/COLOR][/quote]

You know.

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hey, in Brady's Bedtime Buddies thread, I wrote that we have the best Moss in the NFL. Grim21Reaper replied to me, "[I]If you are planning to drive please let me know where you are so I can warn everyone I know. You cannot honestly say that Santana Moss is better than Randy Moss[/I]."

So, I just wanted to see what everyone else thought. Or if Mr. Reaper is the one who should not be driving anywhere.

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You can't compare the two like we have a better Moss because he is younger thing. The Pats did not get Randy to fill a long term need. They saw a guy who could have several good years left in him so they went out and got him. If he gives them 2 to 3 good productive years then I think the Pats will be very happy. One thing he should do is make things easier for the other WR as he will draw the attention

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I personally think Santana is a very good #2 WR. But I don't think he is a pure number one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;305923]I personally think Santana is a very good #2 WR. But I don't think he is a pure number one.[/quote]

I strongly disagree with this statement. I honestly don't understand how you can say that. He started in the pro bowl 2 season ago. Have you seen the man play?

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Okay, I wrote that when I first woke up and it didn't come out right. No way he's bottom 10-15 in the league. He's ranked somewhere between 10-15 at his best, IMO.

In no particular order: C. Johnson, Boldin, Fitz, J. Walker, Chambers, Andre Johnson, Harrison, Wayne, Roy Williams, Steve Smith, Tory Holt, Moss. I'm sure I missed some, but I just did it off the top of my head.

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I can understand some of those but Walker, Chambers, and Williams, are you sure about that?

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Chambers??

Dude drops about 30 balls a year and he's only had one 1000 yard season. I have a buddy who's a big Dolphins fan and he's constantly bitching about Chambers saying he'll make all the circus catches but he can't hang on to a routine 10 yard hitch for a first down.

He's way too inconsistent to place amongst the elite WRs.

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[quote=Daseal;305925]Okay, I wrote that when I first woke up and it didn't come out right. No way he's bottom 10-15 in the league. He's ranked somewhere between 10-15 at his best, IMO.

In no particular order: C. Johnson, Boldin, Fitz, J. Walker, Chambers, Andre Johnson, Harrison, Wayne, Roy Williams, Steve Smith, Tory Holt, Moss. I'm sure I missed some, but I just did it off the top of my head.[/quote]


Very respectful list, but I still take Tanna Man over them all....except Steve Smith.

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Walker and WIlliams I'm sure of. Walker is a beast. Roy and Chris Chambers have the same problem: if we give Santana a pass for his QB situation look at these guys along with the lines 'protecting' them. This is a totally subjective argument.

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[quote=Daseal;305934]Walker and WIlliams I'm sure of. Walker is a beast. Roy and Chris Chambers have the same problem: if we give Santana a pass for his QB situation look at these guys along with the lines 'protecting' them. This is a totally subjective argument.[/quote]

Javon Walker? No way.

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you guys really think that walker and driver are that good??? They both look good when Farve is throwing them the ball but who wouldnt. Both are quality wide outs but certainly not elite.

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I like Santana but really Randy is a special talent while Santana is just very good.

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[quote=Daseal;305934]Walker and WIlliams I'm sure of. Walker is a beast. Roy and Chris Chambers have the same problem: if we give Santana a pass for his QB situation look at these guys along with the lines 'protecting' them. This is a totally subjective argument.[/quote]

If the Broncos were like, hey Danny Boy, we want to trade you Walker for Moss. You would do that?!

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Jags game, in over time.... enough said.

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Gabe, that all depends on cap hits and salaries. Javon Walker in his 3rd year in the league had nearly 1400 yards, next year he got hurt, year after in a brand new system he had 1100 with 8 TDs. Pretty damn solid.

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[quote=Daseal;305945]Gabe, that all depends on cap hits and salaries. Javon Walker in his 3rd year in the league had nearly 1400 yards, next year he got hurt, year after in a brand new system he had 1100 with 8 TDs. Pretty damn solid.[/quote]

ok, I respect that

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OK, it works like this ... once Lloyd gets his [B]#$%@[/B] together, and becomes a legitimate threat again, Santana sees less double-teams. With ARE running the underneath routes against slower LB's, Santana could be unstopable.

But what do I know ... I just tape every single game, and review the darn things looking for reasons to keep on keepin' on.

:)

Re: Santana vs. Randy
 

[quote=Daseal;305872]I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.[/quote]

DUDE! What games were you watching?? SM is in top 5!

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It's real simple, quiter or winner? Santana!

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[quote=12thMan;305871]There's only one receiver in the entire NFL that I would take over S. Moss; Steve Smith. And even then I feel like I'm splitting hairs.[/quote]12th man, I completely agree, even if no one else does.

Run after the catch ability is so vital to the value of any given receiver. If I had to guess, I would say that 2/3's of a guys value is determined by his ability to make plays after the catch. No one is better in this respect than Smith and Moss.

Not even Randy Moss.

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[quote=SWFlaSkinsFan;305969]OK, it works like this ... once Lloyd gets his [B]#$%@[/B] together, and becomes a legitimate threat again, Santana sees less double-teams. With ARE running the underneath routes against slower LB's, Santana could be unstopable.

But what do I know ... I just tape every single game, and review the darn things looking for reasons to keep on keepin' on.

:)[/quote]I would hope no one is that stupid to change their cover schemes for Brandon Lloyd.

But hey, if it happens, more power to us.