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Nothing new here, but at least it's something to talk about other than picking up Joe Schmoe lineman:

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[B]Can another safety help the pass rush?[/B]

Joe Gibbs thought [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8260"][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8260"][COLOR=#000000]LaRon Landry[/COLOR][/URL][/URL] was the best defensive player in the draft, so he made him the sixth pick after repeated efforts to trade down. Now the Redskins have two of the most talented safeties in the league -- Landry and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6764"][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6764"][COLOR=#000000]Sean Taylor[/COLOR][/URL][/URL], who was the fifth pick in the 2004 draft. The problem is the Redskins passed over a pass-rusher, [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8262"][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8262"][COLOR=#000000]Jamaal Anderson[/COLOR][/URL][/URL], to take Landry. The Redskins are calling all around to see if a veteran pass-rusher is available. The Redskins had only 19 sacks last season. Without any pressure on the quarterback, opponents had a 97.8 quarterback rating against them. Unless the Redskins can find a way to get a pass rush, Landy and Taylor might get a lot of opportunities to get tackles downfield.

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[quote=Mattyk72;306732]Nothing new here, but at least it's something to talk about other than picking up Joe Schmoe lineman:

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2858916&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]ESPN.com - NFL - Clayton: NFC big questions[/URL]

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[B]Can another safety help the pass rush?[/B]

Joe Gibbs thought [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8260"][COLOR=#000000]LaRon Landry[/COLOR][/URL] was the best defensive player in the draft, so he made him the sixth pick after repeated efforts to trade down. Now the Redskins have two of the most talented safeties in the league -- Landry and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6764"][COLOR=#000000]Sean Taylor[/COLOR][/URL], who was the fifth pick in the 2004 draft. The problem is the Redskins passed over a pass-rusher, [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8262"][COLOR=#000000]Jamaal Anderson[/COLOR][/URL], to take Landry. The Redskins are calling all around to see if a veteran pass-rusher is available. The Redskins had only 19 sacks last season. Without any pressure on the quarterback, opponents had a 97.8 quarterback rating against them. Unless the Redskins can find a way to get a pass rush, Landy and Taylor might get a lot of opportunities to get tackles downfield.[/quote]

I just mentioned this article in another thread. It says here that we are still actively looking for another pass-rusher, yet Gibbs said he is confident in our D-line as is. So what gives? I wonder who we are "calling around" to...

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I'm sure we are testing the waters some. I don't think Gibbs is being contradictory by saying he's fine w/the d line & looking for additional help at the same time. I think he's playing politics w/his existing troops to some degree, but he's always had confidence in vets & confidence that he could get more out of them.

I would honestly be surprised if we suddenly threw some big $ at somebody though. There are still a couple possibilities, but there's nobody that is real big time.

One guy I've been wondering about is Jevon Kearse. I recall someone mentioning him a few months ago as a potential june 1 cut. He has a history w/GW at Tenn. At this point in his career he's probably best as a situational pass rusher, which is what we need most, assuming he can get most of his burst back.

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[quote=freddyg12;306779]I'm sure we are testing the waters some. I don't think Gibbs is being contradictory by saying he's fine w/the d line & looking for additional help at the same time. I think he's playing politics w/his existing troops to some degree, but he's always had confidence in vets & confidence that he could get more out of them.

I would honestly be surprised if we suddenly threw some big $ at somebody though. There are still a couple possibilities, but there's nobody that is real big time.

One guy I've been wondering about is Jevon Kearse. I recall someone mentioning him a few months ago as a potential june 1 cut. He has a history w/GW at Tenn. At this point in his career he's probably best as a situational pass rusher, which is what we need most, assuming he can get most of his burst back.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I love Kearse. He's a Gator and a great guy, but he's over 30 now and so darn injury prone....

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[quote=GMScud;306782]Don't get me wrong, I love Kearse. He's a Gator and a great guy, but he's over 30 now and so darn injury prone....[/quote]

yeah, he's injury prone that's why he'd have to be a situational pass rusher (if he can still do that). wouldn't want to play him a lot of snaps.

Is he over 30 already? He was drafted in 2000 or so right?

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[quote=freddyg12;306791]yeah, he's injury prone that's why he'd have to be a situational pass rusher (if he can still do that). wouldn't want to play him a lot of snaps.

Is he over 30 already? He was drafted in 2000 or so right?[/quote]

DOB 9/3/1976 Drafted in '99

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[quote=GMScud;306802]DOB 9/3/1976 Drafted in '99[/quote]

dude will be 31 at season's start!
he might be able to contribute, have a couple more good years.

I'd rather see Hickman make the team, but I wouldn't be opposed to having Kearse in camp for vet min.

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the big question is will he be cut. any credible indications of that?

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There's no way Gibbs does not recognize the need for help in the d-line. and to ignore it, or pretend it does not exist is a mistake. Because there was no one at #6 they wanted to pay does not make the need go away.

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Joe says he's confident.....? until we sign our next player. Then HE IS REALLY confident! Just like I will be.

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If re really want a good d-lineman shouldn't we act like we are fine. Otherwise the player has leverage.

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smootsmack, what kind of decent linemen are available? kearse gets hurt getting out of bed in the morning

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That article calms my fears a little anyway. At least we KNOW we NEED a DE...if they want something, they usually get it.

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will smith is reportedly unhappy and he is a straight bad ass. i heard burgess in oakland was unhappy two, that guy has had 30 plus sacks in two years, most in the nfl. lavar arrington hahaha i only wish we had the ball too and he had the heart to come back, i am sorry but i love that fucker. seriously though how about trying to trade for julius peppers, who is in the final year of his contract i am pretty sure. we would most likely have to give up next years 1 and 2 and maybe 3 for him, is he worth it, i think so but that sounds like a madden trade. how about one of the bears defensive ends, trade for alex brown. and my last maybe trade comes from buffalo and his name is aaron schobal.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;306960]i heard burgess in oakland was unhappy two, that guy has had 30 plus sacks in two years, most in the nfl. [/QUOTE]

I doubt oakland would trade or cut him, their defense was great last year, why change it!? If he is that unhappy they have got the cap room to pay him!

[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;306960]seriously though how about trying to trade for julius peppers, who is in the final year of his contract i am pretty sure. we would most likely have to give up next years 1 and 2 and maybe 3 for him, is he worth it, i think so[/QUOTE]

Seriously, this will [B]NEVER[/B] happen. Kris Jenkins may be worth looking into, i've read that Carolina are shopping him and he would make a great addition to the d-line (Provided he could stay healthy)

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you guys ever hear of something called the salary cap?

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I'm down with trading and the sorts...

I'm just trying to hold on to some of those draft picks for a little while.

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[quote=freddyg12;306809]I wouldn't be opposed to having Kearse in camp for vet min.[/quote]

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. Even injury prone pass rushers don't often sign for the vet min.

[quote=holcknowsbest;306960]will smith is reportedly unhappy and he is a straight bad ass. i heard burgess in oakland was unhappy two, that guy has had 30 plus sacks in two years, most in the nfl. lavar arrington hahaha i only wish we had the ball too and he had the heart to come back, i am sorry but i love that ****. seriously though how about trying to trade for julius peppers, who is in the final year of his contract i am pretty sure. we would most likely have to give up next years 1 and 2 and maybe 3 for him, is he worth it, i think so but that sounds like a madden trade. how about one of the bears defensive ends, trade for alex brown. and my last maybe trade comes from buffalo and his name is aaron schobal.[/quote]

And maybe the Skins can pick up Dwight Freeny, he is unhappy in Indy and skipping voluntary workouts. Hell, if we give up next year's 6th round pick they would probably throw in Manning, Harrison, and Wayne. WELCOME TO FANDOM! (Hopefully it isn't necessary, but obviously this is sarcasm)

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[QUOTE=dmek25;306914]smootsmack, what kind of decent linemen are available? kearse gets hurt getting out of bed in the morning[/QUOTE]

Dmek sends the 3-0 fastball down to the middle, Smootsmack takes a swing and...sends Justin Smith over the leftfield wall!!!

Um, all the guys being mentioned Burgess, Justin Smith, Will Smith, Jazz, Carlton Banks

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Call me crazy, but I really like the fact we have all of our draft picks. I know our line is older then christmas but lets see what our defence is like healthy this year. We can draft some guys next year for the line which would be a helluva lot more cap friendly. PLUS, I understand our D sucked last year but football is a team sport, what about our OFFENCE, if they can keep the D off the field with the run and get some leads, that might help to right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;307084]Um, all the guys being mentioned Burgess, Justin Smith, Will Smith, Jazz, Carlton Banks[/quote]

I bet Hillary or Aunt Viv could post as many sacks as Daniels did last season.

Seriously though, either Justin Smith or Will Smith would be great additions, but I don't see either of them coming cheaply.

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JLC mentioned the possibility of trading for Buffalo's [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235241"]Aaron Schobel[/URL]. I think would be the most intriguing possibility.

He knows GW's system, he's in his prime, and he's put up some pretty nice sack numbers the past two seasons (26).

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;307122]JLC mentioned the possibility of trading for Buffalo's [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235241"]Aaron Schobel[/URL]. I think would be the most intriguing possibility.

He knows GW's system, he's in his prime, and he's put up some pretty nice sack numbers the past two seasons (26).[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah good call, I forgot about him

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;307111]I bet Hillary or Aunt Viv could post as many sacks as Daniels did last season.

Seriously though, either Justin Smith or Will Smith would be great additions, but I don't see either of them coming cheaply.[/QUOTE]

What makes me nervous about the Skins pursuing Will Smith/Justin Smith is that these two guys are [B]actually[/B] good. They'll have another draft like this past one if they make one of these deals. A 3rd for Duckett and he was nothing, now they're trying to get a starter...if that doesn't say a starter and a 1st, I don't know what does to the Skins...

In all seriousness, though, I don't know if Justin/Will is worth much more than a 3. If Moss moves for a 4, Will/Justin Smith shouldn't fetch more than a 3rd round pick, then the question becomes, aren't they both worth more to their team than a 3rd round pick? The answer to that question has gotta be yes. I don't see the deal happening, but the Skins have pulled off stranger things.

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[quote=Mattyk72;307122]JLC mentioned the possibility of trading for Buffalo's [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235241"]Aaron Schobel[/URL]. I think would be the most intriguing possibility.

He knows GW's system, he's in his prime, and he's put up some pretty nice sack numbers the past two seasons (26).[/quote]

Matty - is he unhappy in Buffalo or do the Bills not want to pay him? Also, was there any mention on what we would have to give up to get him?

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[quote=Bill B;307206]Matty - is he unhappy in Buffalo or do the Bills not want to pay him? Also, was there any mention on what we would have to give up to get him?[/quote]

Here is what he said exactly:

[quote]Well, I hear that things between Buffalo and pass-rushing end Aaron Schobel are getting dicey. He wants a new deal (he has 2 years left but is way underpaid compared to other players of his ilk) and I get the sense the Bills might eventually put more effort into dealing him. Now, would owner Ralph Wilson do a deal with Dan Snyder, one of his not-so-favorite-people? Maybe not. But I know Schobel was a stud in Gregg Williams's system and I know he would be welcome, if not coveted, around here.[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk72;307208]Here is what he said exactly:[/quote]


Thanks for the info. I think if they were willing to trade him I would hope the Skins would at least listen.

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[B]Now, would owner Ralph Wilson do a deal with Dan Snyder, one of his not-so-favorite-people? Maybe not.[/B]

He should be kissing Dan's "hairy beanbag" ( There's Something About Mary....CLLLLASSIC) for the extra cash !

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if we get will smith, does jazzy jeff come too?

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Is Jared Allen and the chiefs going to part ways? I know he was looking to get a new deal this year or get traded. He would be a great pickup if we didn't have to give more than next years 3rd for him. That being said he may have woked things out with KC. I don't know.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;307274]Is Jared Allen and the chiefs going to part ways? I know he was looking to get a new deal this year or get traded. He would be a great pickup if we didn't have to give more than next years 3rd for him. That being said he may have woked things out with KC. I don't know.[/QUOTE]

I feel like I've been posting this link a lot the last few weeks but here goes (in fact it's recently been updated I believe, he got 4 games right?)

[url=http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/16/nfl-could-give-chiefs-jared-allen-eight-game-ban/]NFL Could Give Chiefs' Jared Allen Eight-Game Ban - Sports Blog - The FanHouse[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;307339]I feel like I've been posting this link a lot the last few weeks but here goes (in fact it's recently been updated I believe, he got 4 games right?)

[URL="http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/04/16/nfl-could-give-chiefs-jared-allen-eight-game-ban/"]NFL Could Give Chiefs' Jared Allen Eight-Game Ban - Sports Blog - The FanHouse[/URL][/quote]
How hard is it to call a cab when you make tons of money. I don't understand anyone, let alone rich people driving drunk.

I should start a service. I'd go out, party with NFL players, stay totally sober, and drive them home. I'll call it

[B]"Don't be douche, bring a douche!" [/B]

I'll show up with a popped collar and a pastel colored polo with cargo shorts and sandals (my actual attire right now minus popped collar).

I'll laugh at every meat head joke, maybe say lines like "That's what she said!" and answer my phone "Talk to me".

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;307346]How hard is it to call a cab when you make tons of money. I don't understand anyone, let alone rich people driving drunk.

I should start a service. I'd go out, party with NFL players, stay totally sober, and drive them home. I'll call it

[B]"Don't be douche, bring a douche!" [/B]

I'll show up with a popped collar and a pastel colored polo with cargo shorts and sandals (my actual attire right now minus popped collar).

I'll laugh at every meat head joke, maybe say lines like "That's what she said!" and answer my phone "Talk to me".[/QUOTE]

That there might just be the single greatest idea I've ever heard. Hilarious!

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how far off was i with some of these theories, one of the bears de's are available, will smith is unhappy, and i never said we wouldnt have to pay these guys.....god knows we will i am just saying we can still address the dl. the peppers thing was sarcastic and dreamy but almost all the other ones i mentioned have some substance. dont we have about 6-8 million under the cap to spend???? and by the way JLC is a horrible horrible writer and a big faggot when it comes to the skins......when we start winning he will jump right on right now he will just bad mouth us, that fucker cant even get an interview at redskins park.. so i highly doubt all the things that he says are going on are not even close to what is going on.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;307350]how far off was i with some of these theories, one of the bears de's are available, will smith is unhappy, and i never said we wouldnt have to pay these guys.....god knows we will i am just saying we can still address the dl. the peppers thing was sarcastic and dreamy but almost all the other ones i mentioned have some substance. dont we have about 6-8 million under the cap to spend???? and by the way JLC is a horrible horrible writer and a big faggot when it comes to the skins......when we start winning he will jump right on right now he will just bad mouth us, that fucker cant even get an interview at redskins park.. so i highly doubt all the things that he says are going on are not even close to what is going on.[/QUOTE]

Someone needs a lesson in the use of double negatives. Let's summarize.

-You think JLC is horrible, can't get access, blah blah blah

-So as a result you "highly [U]doubt[/U] all the things that he says are [U]not even close[/U] to what is going on"

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Wow, if only Madden '06 could be true to real life!!!! It is funny how Madden is so off base with the current reality of how the teams really are. Right now I have the best D line in the league. I am literally getting 5-6 sacks a game with Wynn being the beast. Marshall and Washington are top notch also. Arrington is pretty good against the run. Too bad this isn't the present day reality.

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[quote=SmootSmack;307351]Someone needs a lesson in the use of double negatives. Let's summarize.

-You think JLC is horrible, can't get access, blah blah blah

-So as a result you "highly [U]doubt[/U] all the things that he says are [U]not even close[/U] to what is going on"[/quote]

Grammar 101 friends.