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I think i jumped on the bandwagon while everyone else was pissed off and called for Snyders head. However the more I think about it the more I think about how miserable even the last few years have been. We have not exactly been a powerhouse team. We limped our way into the playoffs both times while Gibbs 2.0 was here and I will say it now I wanted him gone from the start, in fact I never wanted him to come back after leaving the team for NASCAR. I have been watching the same boring, and I mean boring Redskins team for long enough.

I'm just going to make a prediction as to how the Redskins would have looked next year with GW at the helm. 7-9, confusion, a decent defense but yet another struggling offense. Sure the players would have been happy, some fans would have been pleased. But Danny doesnt care, we know this, the complaining, Sally "biatch" Jenkins slamming him in the post, players speaking out, none of this matters to him. We are stuck with this owner for some time to come, so we might as well sit back and have a good laugh at how insane our team looks to the rest of the NFL. Im intersted to see what happens next week.

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Gibbs did a lot of good for this team. How many seasons before him would we have given our right arm to even sniff the playoffs, let alone "limp" into the playoffs?

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I'm reserving my ultimate judgement until the coaching staff is in place. I will say that if we pull off this Maricucci deal I'll be very pleased.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;414093]I'm reserving my ultimate judgement until the coaching staff is in place. I will say that if we pull off this Maricucci deal I'll be very pleased.[/QUOTE]

Why would you be pleased with Mariucci? He's not that good at all. Had everything in place with Rice and Young then they got old he started losing and in Detroit say what you may he sucks balls!

Rather a guy like Meeks who came from a Championship system or peeps from the superbowl like Gmen Deffensive guru he's a good one!!!

We have a great new Offensive mind and be won't miss a beat with DC. He ran the show for Bears and he's a tough ass coach. I'm not riding the Mariucci band wagon don't think he's a skin.

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I think Mariucci would be a good fit as the CEO of the staff, plus his background in the WC would be beneficial to help mentor Zorn and let him focus on developing JC. He's got the star power and would be a credible replacement for Gibbs that the players would respect. And most of all he's not Jim Fassel.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;414100]I think Mariucci would be a good fit as the CEO of the staff, plus his background in the WC would be beneficial to help mentor Zorn and let him focus on developing JC. He's got the star power and would be a credible replacement for Gibbs that the players would respect. And most of all he's not Jim Fassel.[/QUOTE]

Zorn does not need help. If you looked at Seattle's offense they're dynamic and he's a proven Qb teacher. Don't get too caught up on "West Coast". Zorn runs a form of that not the dink and dunk crap version. He's a far more aggressive verticle down the filed attacker. With Blanche we have two very aggressive coaches in place. Both are very good coaches. Now you bring in pretty boy NFL Network Steve Mariucci? I'm not buying it. Think we're going to announce Meeks before him. A hungry Dungy prototype who's defensive minded so its totally Zorn's show. Think we go places quickly with that team of coaches and our players in place.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;414100]I think Mariucci would be a good fit as the CEO of the staff, plus his background in the WC would be beneficial to help mentor Zorn and let him focus on developing JC. He's got the star power and would be a credible replacement for Gibbs that the players would respect. And most of all he's not Jim Fassel.[/QUOTE]

Emphasis....[B]And most of all he's not Jim Fassel[/B]

Hiring Mariucci would keep the mob off of snyder's ass as well

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I think Fassel and Mariucci are pretty interchangeable actually. Both are very solid coaches who know how to lead a locker room and at the same time delegate. Neither one is going to reinvent the wheel, but they don't need to.

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[quote=SmootSmack;414121]I think Fassel and Mariucci are pretty interchangeable actually. Both are very solid coaches who know how to lead a locker room and at the same time delegate. N[I][B]either one is going to reinvent the wheel, but they don't need to.[/B][/I][/quote]


Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on a second. This makes me think that it SEEMS like Snyder knows what he is doing... :D

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;414122]Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on a second. This makes me think that it SEEMS like Snyder knows what he is doing... :D[/quote]

Sorry that won't work here! Not in the "I hate DS, worst owner, and know nothing, on the planet".....club

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Gadzooks, you mean someone is talking sense around here?

I agree that Fassel and Mooch are interchangeable. The important factors here are the OC and the DC. So, Zorn will implement a new offensive scheme, while Blache will keep the status quo on the defensive side. So whomever the HC is, it'll be up to him to compliment both of these guys while running the roost.

Mooch makes more sense than Fassel because of his exposure to the WCO. And the argument about him sucking in Detroit...I'm not convinced that any Lions head coach is going to have any kind of success with Matt Millen as Team President.

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[quote=QBall;414105]Zorn does not need help. If you looked at Seattle's offense they're dynamic and he's a proven Qb teacher. Don't get too caught up on "West Coast". Zorn runs a form of that not the dink and dunk crap version. He's a far more aggressive verticle down the filed attacker. With Blanche we have two very aggressive coaches in place. Both are very good coaches. Now you bring in pretty boy NFL Network Steve Mariucci? I'm not buying it. Think we're going to announce Meeks before him. A hungry Dungy prototype who's defensive minded so its totally Zorn's show. Think we go places quickly with that team of coaches and our players in place.[/quote]

He doesn't need help? He's going to be a first time coordinator... it might not be a bad thing to have a HC in place that's familiar with the offense he's going to be installing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;414121]I think Fassel and Mariucci are pretty interchangeable actually. Both are very solid coaches who know how to lead a locker room and at the same time delegate. Neither one is going to reinvent the wheel, but they don't need to.[/quote]

Good point.

When you break down what Gibbs' role was here, he was basically the CEO of the coaching staff. Sure he had his input but both sides of the ball basically took care of themselves. We don't need a hands on dictator at HC, we just need someone to oversee the operation and be the face of the staff. I agree that Fassel and Mooch are fairly interchangeable, that said I would still prefer Mariucci.

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[quote=Mattyk72;414093]I'm reserving my ultimate judgement until the coaching staff is in place. I will say that if we pull off this Maricucci deal I'll be very pleased.[/quote]

WHAT??? This is the 1st time I've heard of Maricucci.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;414147]Gadzooks, you mean someone is talking sense around here?

I agree that Fassel and Mooch are interchangeable. The important factors here are the OC and the DC. So, Zorn will implement a new offensive scheme, while Blache will keep the status quo on the defensive side. So whomever the HC is, it'll be up to him to compliment both of these guys while running the roost.

Mooch makes more sense than Fassel because of his exposure to the WCO. And the argument about him sucking in Detroit...I'm not convinced that any Lions head coach is going to have any kind of success with Matt Millen as Team President.[/quote]

It looks like Snyder is looking for a HC that is not an an ass kicker. And that is why Mooch lost his job in Det. Guys we were not being held accountable.

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[quote=skinsfan69;414160]It looks like Snyder is looking for a HC that is not an an ass kicker. And that is why Mooch lost his job in Det. Guys we were not being held accountable.[/quote]Well, I mean, it's Detroit. The guy who is accountable has more power than Mooch did, and thus Mooch took the fall.

Detroit is also rare because [B]everyone in the world knows why that franchise isn't winning.[/B] Usually there's questions among the fan base, or a scapegoat or something, but Millen is every bit as bad as people bill him to be.

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Detroit was losing before and after Mooch. The obvious comon denominator is.....he who cannot be named

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[quote=skinsfan69;414160]It looks like Snyder is looking for a HC that is not an an ass kicker. And that is why Mooch lost his job in Det. Guys we were not being held accountable.[/quote]

Detroit needed an ass kicker and Mooch wasn't a good fit.

I think if you need a franchise to be turned around from a culture of losing, Mooch probably isn't your guy.

But if you have some pieces in place and need someone to oversee the operation and be a players type of coach, he's probably a better fit in that kind of situation.

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As I stated in another thread, I'm fine with either Mooch or Fassel. At the end of the day, we will have an experienced staff on both sides of the ball, a head coach who has taken teams to the playoffs, that has been integral in developing quarterbacks, that's a players coach that veterans will respect and younger players will relate to..

As for all of the 'drama' that the coaching search has created, it's not that big of a deal. I keep pointing to Dallas and SD last year. Dallas was Norv Turner's job, Jerry Jones was hanging out with him all over the place at the Super Bowl and Pro Bowl and then BAM, Wade Phillips is hired (after Garret was hired as OC) and 13 wins later they won the division.. It was February 12th last year when the Chargers fired Schottenhiemer and hired Norv, who we all know isn't much of a coach, and assembled a complete coaching staff, 11 wins and 2 playoff wins later, they are in the AFC Championship game..

Bottom line, whoever the coach is, once training camp rolls around the players will practice hard, play hard and if they have the better gameplan, better execution and better talent than the team lined up across from them, they will emerge victorious. All the other BS is just filling time.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;414150]He doesn't need help? He's going to be a first time coordinator... it might not be a bad thing to have a HC in place that's familiar with the offense he's going to be installing.[/QUOTE]

He was doing all the things a coordinator does without the title because Holmgren is the all powerful.

We're not going to be running the West Coast Offense so enough of that talk please. Lets let the coach come out and say what he's going to run first.

Mariucci is all talk no action accept the gold course. Only difference between him and Spurrier is Mooch Italian. :)

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Lets just hold our breath a little while longer, the Super Bowl is only six days away......This is worse that when we were kids looking at the presents under the tree for a week before X-mas. "Crappy analogy". sorry.

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QBall, what makes you think we WONT run the west coast offense? Zorn is a west coast guy, many of the HCs we're looking at is WC guys, and honestly we have west coast personnel.

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[quote=QBall;414197]He was doing all the things a coordinator does without the title because Holmgren is the all powerful.

[B]We're not going to be running the West Coast Offense so enough of that talk please. Lets let the coach come out and say what he's going to run first.[/B]

Mariucci is all talk no action accept the gold course. Only difference between him and Spurrier is Mooch Italian. :)[/quote]

Considering that's the background he comes from, it's not really too big of a leap to assume he's going to run some sort of WC based offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;414164]Well, I mean, it's Detroit. The guy who is accountable has more power than Mooch did, and thus Mooch took the fall.

Detroit is also rare because [B]everyone in the world knows why that franchise isn't winning.[/B] Usually there's questions among the fan base, or a scapegoat or something, but Millen is every bit as bad as people bill him to be.[/quote]

Yeah I hear you on that. Millen is just pathetic. I always liked Mooch, I just don't think he's NFL material. IMO he should go back and coach college. I bet he'd kick some ass if he went back. He does a nice job on NFL Network. Really breaks things down very well.

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I think this is where alot of skins fans differ. I personally want changes b/c i feel as if we can only go so far w/ this current team. My changes though are not full scale, they are subtle changes in personel and FO philosophy changes (getting younger, draft emphasis)

That being said i thought and still feel that GW could have done this. His way. This is no longer an issue.

So, i want changes but i don't want a mediocre, aging head coach. I'd be happy w/ Mariucci/Spagnuola (from the things i've heard)/Russ Grimm. What I'd really be happy w/ is a coach that i can be somewhat assured that will make good decisions for the franchise and not have his hands tied when it comes to personel matters.

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[quote=QBall;414105]Zorn does not need help. If you looked at Seattle's offense they're dynamic and he's a proven Qb teacher. Don't get too caught up on "West Coast". Zorn runs a form of that not the dink and dunk crap version. He's a far more aggressive verticle down the filed attacker. With Blanche we have two very aggressive coaches in place. Both are very good coaches. Now you bring in pretty boy NFL Network Steve Mariucci? I'm not buying it. Think we're going to announce Meeks before him. A hungry Dungy prototype who's defensive minded so its totally Zorn's show. Think we go places quickly with that team of coaches and our players in place.[/quote]

I watched some Seahawks games and read a bunch about them during the year and they were exactly that dink and dunk offense you say they arent. Shaun Alexander sucked and they couldnt run, their receivers arent that good (burleson and branch were clearly system receivers), so they resorted to running a lot of slants and dump offs.

It worked, and more importantly it shows that Zorn, or whomever, made the adjustment in Seattle because their normal offense wasnt working this year. Unlike Gibbs who I think most would agree is almost down right stubborn at proving that his run first and second and third control the clock and wear out the d scheme.

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maruicci equals fassel.

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I understand that both Fassel and Mariucci have now been discounted and that Snyder is now leaning towards keeping the HC position in house. He is at this moment flying on Redskin 1 to interview for an eighth time Mr Six. He has also recruited Mr Magoo to beef up the Front Office and work closely with Vinnie Cerrato on all personnel matters.

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[quote=YellowBirdy;414409]I understand that both Fassel and Mariucci have now been discounted and that Snyder is now leaning towards keeping the HC position in house. He is at this moment flying on Redskin 1 to interview for an eighth time Mr Six. He has also recruited Mr Magoo to beef up the Front Office and work closely with Vinnie Cerrato on all personnel matters.[/quote]
What are you talking about and who is Mr six?

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Mr. Six is the old dancing dude who used to appear in the Six Flags commercials before Snyder took over

He's just trying to be funny

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Matty:

Here's a bit of NFL trivia for you. Steve Mariucci has the chance to make history if he coaches even one game for the Redskins next year...


Since the merger of the NFL and the AFL, no coach of the Detroit Lions has coached even one more game in the NFL after the Lions ditched them. Not one of them...


Now the Redskins have the opportunity to make NFL history just by hiring Mooch.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;414603]Matty:

Here's a bit of NFL trivia for you. Steve Mariucci has the chance to make history if he coaches even one game for the Redskins next year...


Since the merger of the NFL and the AFL, no coach of the Detroit Lions has coached even one more game in the NFL after the Lions ditched them. Not one of them...


Now the Redskins have the opportunity to make NFL history just by hiring Mooch.[/QUOTE]

hahahahahahahahahaha too funny

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I don't care who we hire at this point I like our coordinators and I think we'll be fine, I don't even mind Fassel. It's funny cause the more people rag on about not hiring Greg Williams the more I'm glad they didn't. I don't know why but Williams just didn't seem like the guy to me. That and I fully realize I don't know enough about any of these guys to criticize the hiring process, I haven't interviewed them so I'm gonna let the people in charge do there job. I'm with the skins no matter what, I survived Spurrier, I survived Tony Banks at QB, looking at what we got it can't be worse then that.