The best NFL Team ever?
 

First, let me apologize if this is a re-thread. On the eve of Super Bowl XLII, many are talking about the New England Patriots and there march to perfection. I am sure that many also have heard or talked about it themselves, but the question is this, would winning the super bowl make New England the best NFL team ever? Better than the Steelers of the 1970's? Better than the 1972 Dolphins? Better than the 49'ers of the 1980's? Just to name a few teams that were or are held by some to be the greatest.

My question to this website is name the top 5 all-time teams and what criteria that was used to determine your opinion on your list of teams.

I was asked a question the other day, would the Steelers of the 1970's beat the Patriots of today? My answer was simple, which NFL rules apply, the rules of the 1970' or the rules of today? I think that when people get lost in this debate about what team is better than the other all-time, they tend to forget that the rules have changed and are totally different today then they were 30 years ago when clothes line tackles were still leagle and performed by on a daily basis by Jack Ham and Jack Lambert. Well what is everyone's opinion?

Re: The best NFL Team ever?
 

i'm not sure, but that offense is probably the best ever...

the raven's SB year defense was the best modern D, but i never saw the 85 bears to compare them to.

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I agree. If you could hit Brady, The outcome would be different.

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[quote=Redskins8588;416372]

My question to this website is name the top 5 all-time teams and what criteria that was used to determine your opinion on your list of teams.

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Five Greatest:

1. '91 Washington Redskins
2. '82 Washington Redskins
3. '87 Washington Redskins
4. '37 Washington Redskins
5. ''42 Washington Redskins

I think my criteria is rather obvious.

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the whole "best team ever" arguement is really kinda silly. you can't really say if one team from the 70's would beat one team from 2008, or whatever. what you can say is, whoever wins the superbowl for any particular year is the best team for that year.
some will say i'm wrong because sometimes people say "the better team lost today", i say "whatever, the team that won was the better team".

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I would say our 91 team should be considered in the top 3. The 83 team that lost to the Raiders is the one that hurts, if we would have beaten the Raiders I would say that was the best team ever. I would consider the Steelers team of the 70's that beat the Cowboys as the best team ever. Sorry 85 bears, 89 niners and so forth.

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Best Ever is a statement that will always be open to debate, and it's determination difficult to guage simply because of the reasons you mention.

However, I'm going to list the eleven best teams [in my opinion] I've had the privledge to watch play.

1955 - Cleveland Browns
1958 - Baltimore Colts
1962 - Green Bay Packers
1971 - Dallas Cowboys
1972 - Miami Dolphins
1974 - 1978 - 1979 - Pittsburgh Steelers
1985 - Chicago Bears
1989 - 1994 - SanFransisco 49ers
1991 - Washington Redskins
1999 - St Louis Rams
2007 - New England Patriots

On a sustained basis the Patriots, 49ers, and Steelers are unmatched.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;416433]Best Ever is a statement that will always be open to debate, and it's determination difficult to guage simply because of the reasons you mention.

However, I'm going to list the eleven best teams [in my opinion] I've had the privledge to watch play.

1955 - Cleveland Browns
1958 - Baltimore Colts
1962 - Green Bay Packers
1971 - Dallas Cowboys
1972 - Miami Dolphins
1974 - 1978 - 1979 - Pittsburgh Steelers
1985 - Chicago Bears
1989 - 1994 - SanFransisco 49ers
1991 - Washington Redskins
1999 - St Louis Rams
2007 - New England Patriots

On a sustained basis the Patriots, 49ers, and Steelers are unmatched.[/QUOTE]

[B]You my friend are a real fan and and a fan's fan. if this website had a HOF you deserve to be in it!!! HAIL[/B]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;416435][B]You my friend are a real fan and and a fan's fan. if this website had a HOF you deserve to be in it!!! HAIL[/B][/QUOTE]


I appreciate the complement SFREDSKIN, I've been around the game a longtime, and have seen a lot. When the Redskins hire their next coach it will be number eighteen for me.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;416444]I appreciate the complement SFREDSKIN, I've been around the game a longtime, and have seen a lot. When the Redskins hire their next coach it will be number eighteen for me.[/QUOTE]

Maybe one day when I make it to the East Coast, it would be an honor to meet you.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;416445]Maybe one day when I make it to the East Coast, it would be an honor to meet you.[/QUOTE]


That could be a cool idea. It might be that I could get you a ticket to one of our home games. There are a couple members of our party who work with the Department Of State are are out of town some Sunday's when the Skins are playing at home, they leave their tickets to anyone we chose to welcome.

If you PM me at the beginning of the upcoming season I will know more details.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;416447]That could be a cool idea. It might be that I could get you a ticket to one of our home games. There are a couple members of our party who work with the Department Of State are are out of town some Sunday's when the Skins are playing at home, they leave their tickets to anyone we chose to welcome.

If you PM me at the beginning of the upcoming season I will know more details.[/QUOTE]

Thank you!!! Will do.

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Bottom Line, If New England goes unbeaten by winning tommarow, they're the greatest ever, period.

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One quick note on the 72 Dolphins. They played from game 5 to the AFC championship with Earl Morrall (the backup QB), Bob Griese finished the perfect season by playing in the superbowl coming back from a broken leg. It's funny that the experts don't mention that. What would NE would of done with Cassell as the backup?

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the 2000 ravens pale in comparison to the 1985 bears.that chicago team had the best defense for 1 year than anybody i have ever seen.if you go on quality of the atheletes on both sides any of those steeler teams of the 1970s would beat anybody since then.there must be at least15 players from those teams that are in the hall of fame.i'll give this years pats the nod as best ever offenes though,and i put the 1983 skins second to them.they lost 2 regular season games by 2 points,that's impressive.

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if im not mistaking the 91 Redskins , i think its something like of their 17 wins, 11 came against teams that had 10 wins or more..

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;416450]Bottom Line, If New England goes unbeaten by winning tommarow, they're the greatest ever, period.[/QUOTE]


Redskins 8588, herein lies the answer to your question. Point blank...Period.

Note...Gmanc said "IF" the Patriots win tomorrow they're "The Greatest" Will they be the greatest if they don't win? Gmanc did you see the Steelers play in the 70's. It will take a lot to convince me of the fact this Patriot team could have beaten the Steelers that went the last six games of one season withoug giving up a touchdown.

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The Steelers,Raiders and cowpukes from the 70's ,,, the Skins , Bears and 49ers from the 80's were all better than this team . Yes , NE is a great team , this decade and the 07-08 team , but they do not have to get through a playoff format playing great teams like the other great teams . For Madden's Raiders to even get to a SB , they had to beat , Shula's Miami teams and Noll's Steelers , then Beat B. Grant or Landry , much tougher than beating Jarrad's Jags and Norv's depleated Bolts . Watch out for the video camera's ,,,, cheaters ???

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You can not compare teams of today to teams of decades ago. the game is different.

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[quote=budw38;416476]The Steelers,Raiders and cowpukes from the 70's ,,, the Skins , Bears and 49ers from the 80's were all better than this team . Yes , NE is a great team , this decade and the 07-08 team , but they do not have to get through a playoff format playing great teams like the other great teams . For Madden's Raiders to even get to a SB , they had to beat , Shula's Miami teams and Noll's Steelers , then Beat B. Grant or Landry , much tougher than beating Jarrad's Jags and Norv's depleated Bolts . Watch out for the video camera's ,,,, cheaters ???[/quote]

Yeah from what i heard they used them cameras against the Rams to film their Pre Game walk through..IF they do win, it should be marked with ************** all around it.

They say the didnt though ,, yeah right

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-superbowl-patriots-tapingallegation&prov=ap&type=lgns]Patriots, NFL deny allegation New England taped Rams' final walkthrough before 2002 Super Bowl - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[QUOTE=Darrell_Green_28;416477]You can not compare teams of today to teams of decades ago. the game is different.[/QUOTE]


Thank You!!!!

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The '91 Skins could hang with any of the supposed greatest teams ever and probably beat almost every one. That was undoubtedly our greatest team.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;416498]The '91 Skins could hang with any of the supposed greatest teams ever and probably beat almost every one. That was undoubtedly our greatest team.[/QUOTE]

No doubt, I also like our 83 team except for one little thing, they lost to the Raiders. That team could be up there with the greatest teams ever, the offense set a point scoring record of I think 541 points (been broken twice or three times since by the Vikings, maybe the Rams and Patriots).

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;416499]No doubt, I also like our 83 team except for one little thing, they lost to the Raiders. That team could be up there with the greatest teams ever, the offense set a point scoring record of I think 541 points (been broken twice or three times since by the Vikings, maybe the Rams and Patriots).[/quote]

think just the vikes and this year's pats have broken it.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;416480]Yeah from what i heard they used them cameras against the Rams to film their Pre Game walk through..IF they do win, it should be marked with ************** all around it.

They say the didnt though ,, yeah right

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-superbowl-patriots-tapingallegation&prov=ap&type=lgns"]Patriots, NFL deny allegation New England taped Rams' final walkthrough before 2002 Super Bowl - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]
I have to wonder now ,, did BB and Parcels start that in the 80's ? It does seem a little strange that the 80' skins with Monk, Clark & Sanders , and the Montana , Rice , Clark, Craig 49ers could score 40 pts at any time , until the played Bill's NYG in the post season ?

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I think the Pats won 12 games < including playoffs > against Qb's who were 1st year starters this year, I think what the 85 Bears and 86 NYG's did was more impressive . The Bears would have beaten the Jags and Chargers 40 - 0 each . And of course the 87 & 91 Skins would have blown them out as well .

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;416480]Yeah from what i heard they used them cameras against the Rams to film their Pre Game walk through..IF they do win, it should be marked with ************** all around it.

They say the didnt though ,, yeah right

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-superbowl-patriots-tapingallegation&prov=ap&type=lgns"]Patriots, NFL deny allegation New England taped Rams' final walkthrough before 2002 Super Bowl - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote] Too bad our 91 team couldn't have faced this pats team ,,,, D.Green shuting down Moss and Mr. Monk scoring two td's ... skins 31 pats 20 !!

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;416498]The '91 Skins could hang with any of the supposed greatest teams ever and probably beat almost every one. That was undoubtedly our greatest team.[/quote]


Page 2 did a "10 Greatest Team" list a few years ago, and had the '91 Skins as 4th all time. They had a legendary balance between offense and defense, both of which absolutely dominated. Of course, they didn't garner the attention that other teams usually do when they have a team like that because they appropriated the humility of their coach, and therefore didn't draw attention to themselves.

Here's the link:

[url=http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/football/teams/greatest.html]ESPN.com - Page2 - Greatest NFL teams of all time[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;416468]Redskins 8588, herein lies the answer to your question. Point blank...Period.

Note...Gmanc said "IF" the Patriots win tomorrow they're "The Greatest" Will they be the greatest if they don't win? Gmanc did you see the Steelers play in the 70's. It will take a lot to convince me of the fact this Patriot team could have beaten the Steelers that went the last six games of one season withoug giving up a touchdown.[/quote]
Worst 18 win team ever !!

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can't be the best team ever. Cause they didnt win the superbowl. HAHAHA

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Gotta win the big one to be the best team ever. Plain and simple. Sorry guys.

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i guess its not the pats huh? HA!

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kinda a moot point now.