Javon Walker signs with the Raiders
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3277219]ESPN - Source: Ex-Bronco Walker agrees to 6-year deal with Raiders - NFL[/url]

The insane deals continue:

The terms of the deal call for Walker to receive a six-year, $55 million contract that includes more than $16 million in guarantees and pays him roughly $27 million over the first three years of the deal.

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too much money. he's a true #1 though.

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Al Davis overpays most players on his roster

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Damn, that was quick. I didn't even think he was visiting with them until tomorrow.

So it's down to Hackett and Bryant Johnson then I suppose (to a lesser extent Drew Carter and Justin McCariens-a much lesser extent)

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Thats more per year then floss-doss Randy Moss. Oh well, for a team like the Raiders to get players they have to pay a premnium.

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Well for a guy that played 8 games last season, thats an awful big investment/risk.

To me thats just crazy money for the guy, but it is the Raiders.

So that leaves us a shot at two at this moment.....?

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All those insane deals being given away - are Bryan Johnson and DJ Hackett expecting same thing? I wonder...

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For the life of me I can't believe this crybaby got the same amount as Randy Moss. Moss is 5 times better than this guy. Unreal.

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Well I wanted Walker...but if we paid him that I would have probaboly played in traffic...thats just INSANE in my opinion.

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If they are expecting the same thing I really hope they find that elsewhere lol. This is a good deal for Walker but the Raiders might get burned on this, Walker's had injury issues and I have Broncos friends that say ever since the multiple knee injuries he hasn't been the same.

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the Raiders premium in effect I guess.

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[quote=GridIron26;429292]All those insane deals being given away - are Bryan Johnson and DJ Hackett expecting same thing? I wonder...[/quote]

Precisely what I was thinking. Obviously they won't get Javon Walker money, but they will be looking for some pretty lucrative contracts. Neither is worth it. At this point I'd really rather draft someone and just hope for some decent production in the first year (or get lucky and get Dwayne Bowe type production) and develop him.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;429299]Precisely what I was thinking. Obviously they won't get Javon Walker money, but they will be looking for some pretty lucrative contracts. Neither is worth it. At this point I'd really rather draft someone and just hope for some decent production in the first year (or get lucky and get Dwayne Bowe type production) and develop him.[/QUOTE]

I'm starting to agree with this....especially if we get an additional 3rd round pick...no sense in pissing away #1 WR money for a #3 receiver in Hackett or Johnson

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;429299]Precisely what I was thinking. Obviously they won't get Javon Walker money, but they will be looking for some pretty lucrative contracts. Neither is worth it. At this point I'd really rather draft someone and just hope for some decent production in the first year (or get lucky and get Dwayne Bowe type production) and develop him.[/quote]

I'm w/you on that. I think it was smootsmack that said 6 yrs. 35 mil w/12 guaranteed is fair & realistic. I agree w/those #s, but I question whether either is truly worth it in relation to a draft pick.

I know that there's more certainty in production from a vet, but there's also the risk of Hackett not being healthy. I would almost rather go w/the hope of a draft pick & the low salary than signing a fa at this point.

Either way, I'll be happy in the offseason so long as we don't pay huge $ for anybody.

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i hope that after this year the old opinion of the redskins finally changes. sure, weve made some bad moves in the past couple years, and some good ones. pretty much who HASNT?!

like i get sick that people still harp on 2000. it was EIGHT YEARS AGO people, get over it.

the raiders and 49ers are making quite a name for themselves anyway. we'll see how good they are next year.

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[quote=PWNED;429420]i hope that after this year the old opinion of the redskins finally changes. sure, weve made some bad moves in the past couple years, and some good ones. pretty much who HASNT?!

like i get sick that people still harp on 2000. it was EIGHT YEARS AGO people, get over it.

the raiders and 49ers are making quite a name for themselves anyway. we'll see how good they are next year.[/quote]


Alot of people will never get over 2000. I guess because they feel that we set the standard for it or whatever.

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the raiders are setting quite a standard themselves...

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[quote=PWNED;429430]the raiders are setting quite a standard themselves...[/quote]


In about 2 years or so they will be the "Redskins" of the AFC as far as free agency super bowl champions

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;429445]In about 2 years or so they will be the "Redskins" of the AFC as far as free agency super bowl champions[/quote]

Mark your calendars:
Raiders v. 49ers, Offseason Bowl, March 1 every year till the CBA ends.

Have to consider the Browns & jets in the afc too, but I think the 49ers have defnitely earned a name for themselves these last 2 years.

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They way overpaid for Walker. He is coming off an injury and his production was way down. I don't know what the thought process was on this one? It sounds like the Raiders are taking page out of the redskins 06 free agent signing playbook. Walker is a good player, but given his injury situation, I would have made his deal real short and incentive driven. That way, he could prove that he is worth all that money and then if he earned it, they could pay him for what he had done.
If the redskins were to get him, I think that is the type of contract that they should have done. Given him incentives and then afterwards, if he accomplished those, he could get a long-term deal.

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This is a pretty ridiculous deal...but the Raiders certainly have a need for his services.

He's a lot better than Jerry Porter, and they are probably drafting Darren McFadden in the first. I think the goal here is to surround JaMarcus Russell with enough help to make sure that they can accurately evaluate his development.

If he doesn't develop well with McFadden (potentially) running for him, with Javon Walker, Ronald Curry, and Zach Miller to throw to, and with an improving offensive line, then at the very least they can accurately diagnose the problem.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;429294]Well I wanted Walker...but if we paid him that I would have probaboly played in traffic...thats just INSANE in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Seriously! I said in the Bryant Johnson thread that I wanted the guy at about $4-$5 mil a year and that, while worth that, I wouldn't go over. The guy can't stay on the field. He's always injured. 6 year deal? The Raiders will be lucky if he plays 4. 9 mil a year for Javon Walker is absolutely outrageous, football players are rapidly approaching baseball money.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;429500]If he doesn't develop well with McFadden (potentially) running for him, with Javon Walker, Ronald Curry, and Zach Miller to throw to, and with an improving offensive line, then at the very least they can accurately diagnose the problem.[/QUOTE]

I see what your saying, but that's making an awful lot of assumptions. McFadden could end up being Reggie Bush 2.0 (which I don't believe is necessarily an indictment, just that he's not a #1 tailback), Walker may end up playing for about half of that deal, he's always hurt and that knee had better be getting better. Also, I'm about as high on Curry as anyone, but I have no faith in him becoming a go-to guy if anything happens to Javon. As for Zach Miller, he'll have to improve, but he could get there. (I feel the same way about the O Line)

So, I guess what I'm saying here, is that if Walker can stay healthy and Run DMC becomes what most think he will become JaMarcus can be accurately evaluated, however, if Walker goes down or McFadden's a bust, it changes everything in Raider-land.

I'm concerned about any team hinging their hopes on Walker consistently producing at the level he used to.

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[quote=Gmanc711;429294]Well I wanted Walker...but if we paid him that I would have probaboly played in traffic...thats just INSANE in my opinion.[/quote]

$55M for this guy??? I laughed my ass off when I saw those numbers. $106M combined for him and DT Tommy Kelly, neither of whom can stay healthy. Insanity. I can't believe the money being pissed away in FA market this year. The deal the Jets gave Calvin Pace is just as silly IMO.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;429294]Well I wanted Walker...but if we paid him that I would have probaboly played in traffic...thats just INSANE in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this 100%.
I even thought and posted that he would come at a discount due to his injuries and lack of performance...leave it to the raiders to f--- up the FA market with such a dumb move paying that much money.
This just means Hackett will be overpaid by us if he comes here too. All the more reason to just go get a guy like Monk in the draft.

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With this market everyone is overpaid.

I'd still prefer a guy like Hackett or Bryant Johnson at a reasonable price which will probably be $3M-$4M per year over an unproven rookie who is going to take some time to develop.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;429531]With this market everyone is overpaid.

I'd still prefer a guy like Hackett or Bryant Johnson at a reasonable price which will probably be $3M-$4M per year over an unproven rookie who is going to take some time to develop.[/QUOTE]

I guess it comes down to how we see where we are headed. I feel we are not 1 or 2 pieces away from going to the super bowl, we are at a minimum of 2 years away now. So taking a rookie and letting him develope for the future is perfect, especially considering the money we will save. Getting someone like Hackett is for the NOW. I know we have several good players in place, but with the new HC I don't see us making a splash in 08. We're playing for 09 and 2010, meaning we need to start thinking about getting younger. We can't keep playing for today, at some point we need to think about tomorrow.

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Hackett is only 26, it's reasonable to think if we picked him up he could be here for the next 5-6 years. I don't see him as a quick fix. Why not pick up Hackett and draft a WR in the later rounds?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;429540]Hackett is only 26, it's reasonable to think if we picked him up he could be here for the next 5-6 years. I don't see him as a quick fix. Why not pick up Hackett and draft a WR in the later rounds?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't mind picking him up for the right price...the concern is the price. We do not need another high priced WR.