If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

I'm not saying we are going to trade up, we seem hell bent on giving our picks away with that Chad Johnson crap, but if we were to try to trade up, who would you target?
Seems Jake Long is taken, but Chris Long would be a great player, and even better, we could likely make a trade with the Raiders for their 5th pick and take Darren McFadden. I'm not trying to say that Portis is done, however, he is costing us the most money, and he won't be around forever, also the way Betts played is not convincing. McFadden seems to be a can't miss RB.

(please note, I am not interested in trading up, just not dismissing the possibility, and opportunity for discussion)

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

By the way, you could also look to trade up the 2nd or 3rd picks too, not just 1st.

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

Are you saying that if we were to trade up, you'd like to trade up for McFadden?

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Chris Long, no question.. He wld be great compliment to Carter..

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Recognizing that my posts are ignored by you, Jsarno, and hoping that someone will quote me and you'll see my message in their quote, you're an idiot.

Even if we traded our whole draft, we barely have enough value on the points chart to get up high enough to select a Chris Long. And the idea of trading up for McFadden when we've already got Portis locked into a long term deal is even more dumbfounding.

RETARDED THREAD.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442010]Are you saying that if we were to trade up, you'd like to trade up for McFadden?[/QUOTE]

Depending on the deal, maybe. :D

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[quote=jsarno;442014]Depending on the deal, maybe. :D[/quote]

Retard.

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[quote=Schneed10;442013]Recognizing that my posts are ignored by you, Jsarno, and hoping that someone will quote me and you'll see my message in their quote, you're an idiot.

Even if we traded our whole draft, we barely have enough value on the points chart to get up high enough to select a Chris Long. And the idea of trading up for McFadden when we've already got Portis locked into a long term deal is even more dumbfounding.

RETARDED THREAD.[/quote]

since you asked here's your quote

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That is humor!

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By the way, I think we should try to position ourselves to draft Chris Long, Keith Rivers, DRC, Branden Albert, Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, and Derrick Harvey (for depth of course). THEN we'd really be sitting pretty. Not sure about McFadden, though, that there might be overkill :doh:

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;442020]since you asked here's your quote[/QUOTE]

I expect more out of you matty. You shouldn't give in to the resident shit head.
please note two things (I don't expect the worst poster here to read everything, but I do expect others to)
1- [quote](please note, I am not interested in trading up, just not dismissing the possibility, and opportunity for discussion)[/quote]
2- [quote]By the way, you could also look to trade up the 2nd or 3rd picks too, not just 1st. [/quote]

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Oh, and by the way mods...what happened to the attacking posters rule we have here...way to go for ignoring those rules and even encouraging them.

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[quote=jsarno;442028]I expect more out of you matty. You shouldn't give in to the resident shit head.
please note two things (I don't expect the worst poster here to read everything, but I do expect others to)
1-
2-[/quote]

Hopefully someone quotes me again...

Matty's not giving in to anything, he's The Ego around here. He clearly agrees with me that you're a retard. Put in a more PC manner, he agrees that this thread is ridiculous.

You may not be dismissing the possibility, but I am, because it's impossible. And discussing it is pointless because it will never happen, and furthermore Vinny is trying to trade DOWN, not up.

Discussing whether to trade up from the 2nd or 3rd rounders is fruitless until you know who has fallen down the draft board far enough to make it worthwhile.

You're a waste of bandwidth.

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Post #7 was probably crossing the line by Schneed. But post #5? No problem with that one. He attacked your idea, not you.

And why shouldn't he? On the one hand, you're complaining on this site about the Redskins throwing away their draft picks for Chad Johnson (even though it's really just one pick in 2008, and CJ has proven to be an elite WR, and we need a WR, and we can still fill several other needs even with this trade), yet here you are suggesting we trade up for Darren McFadden (even though that would mean giving up draft picks, McFadden is unproven, and RB is so low on the need list)

The thread may not be retarded, but your recommendation (especially in light of your Chad Johnson stance) is questionable, at best.

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Apologies to the forum for going against the forum guidelines and attacking the poster in an immature manner.

For the record, in my opinion, these forums would be better off without said poster.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442034]Post #7 was probably crossing the line by Schneed. But post #5? No problem with that one. He attacked your idea, not you. [/quote]

I don't know which one is which, he's on my ignore list for good reason. If it's the one that matty quoted, the idiot part is certainly attacking.

[quote]And why shouldn't he? On the one hand, you're complaining on this site about the Redskins throwing away their draft picks for Chad Johnson (even though it's really just one pick in 2008, and CJ has proven to be an elite WR, and we need a WR, and we can still fill several other needs even with this trade), yet here you are suggesting we trade up for Darren McFadden (even though that would mean giving up draft picks, McFadden is unproven, and RB is so low on the need list)

The thread may not be retarded, but your recommendation (especially in light of your Chad Johnson stance) is questionable, at best.[/QUOTE]

It's all for discussion, it doesn't mean I have to beleive it. I already said I don't think we should trade up. However, if we were to offer say Portis for the 5th pick to get McFadden, I think I might pull that trigger.
Since when are discussions a bad idea?

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[quote=jsarno;442038]
Since when are discussions a bad idea?[/quote]

When they're pointless and run in contrast to concepts and opinions you've previously expressed elsewhere in the forums.

On one hand, I get the forum guidelines and the desire to keep things civil, encouraging open discussions. On the other hand, quality control would be important to me if I were a mod at this place. I think that's SmootSmack's point; he's rightly holding up the civility rules that this site has in place, but at the same time pointing out that your thread makes no sense and should be called to the carpet for failing to add any value to the site.

If this were my site, I'd want it to be better than ES, not more like it. Threads like this make it more like ES.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;442038]I don't know which one is which, he's on my ignore list for good reason. If it's the one that matty quoted, the idiot part is certainly attacking.[/QUOTE]

I missed that line. He has since apologized for attacking you in an immature manner

[QUOTE]It's all for discussion, it doesn't mean I have to beleive it. I already said I don't think we should trade up. However, if we were to offer say Portis for the 5th pick to get McFadden, I think I might pull that trigger.
Since when are discussions a bad idea?[/QUOTE]

I don't understand your first sentence there. Secondly, discussions are not a bad idea. Did I say they were?

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I shouldn't have thrown gas on the fire by quoting Schneed, I honestly didn't catch the idiot comment. I have no problem with calling threads retarded or dumb, but let's refrain from attacking the person.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;442041]When they're pointless and run in contrast to concepts and opinions you've previously expressed elsewhere in the forums.

On one hand, I get the forum guidelines and the desire to keep things civil, encouraging open discussions. On the other hand, quality control would be important to me if I were a mod at this place. I think that's SmootSmack's point; he's rightly holding up the civility rules that this site has in place, but at the same time pointing out that your thread makes no sense and should be called to the carpet for failing to add any value to the site.

If this were my site, I'd want it to be better than ES, not more like it. Threads like this make it more like ES.[/QUOTE]

I don't really have a problem with a thread like this. I mean I started an "If we had the first pick" thread. Which is probably even more pointless than this one. I mean they're both rather extreme hypotheticals, but it's fine to have these every now and then.

But it's hard not to respond critically to the opinion presented in the first post. Especially in light of other comments/opinions by that same person.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442042]
I don't understand your first sentence there. Secondly, discussions are not a bad idea. Did I say they were?[/QUOTE]

In other words, just cause I pose the question doesn't mean I agree with it. We've posed a thousand threads about trading for Chad Johnson, or which WR to trade for, but no one has posed the idea of trading up to fill needs. Even if I don't agree with trading up, I'd like to hear the ideas.
It's rare that I ever agree with democrats, but I still listen cause they can occasionally have good ideas. It's all for the sake of discussion.

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

If we were to trade up I would shoot...myself.

Edit: Now that is a deal I could pull the trigger on.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442048]

But it's hard not to respond critically to the opinion presented in the first post. Especially in light of other comments/opinions by that same person.[/QUOTE]

I guess I need to post this again:
[quote](please note, I am not interested in trading up, just not dismissing the possibility, and opportunity for discussion)[/quote]

Also, most of my comments have been directed at not getting Chad Johnson. A serious cancer and head case who I wouldn't want even if we get him for only a 3rd round pick.
If you noticed, I was wanting to go after Roy Williams. I think you are unfairly trying to assume a point of view, when in actuality they are all separate issues. How can I be so willing to trade picks for Williams, but not for CJ? It has to do with age / contract / ability / size / and attitude. Every case is different. I prefer to keep our picks for good young talent, but if we can get someone the caliber and age of Williams for our 1st rounder, I'd go for it. If we could trade Portis for McFadden straight up, I'd go for it. (not that any team would do that). Every scenario is different.

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I think you're missing my point Jsarno. But that's ok.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;442058]I think you're missing my point Jsarno. But that's ok.[/QUOTE]

I think you're right, so please PM me your point, because I feel you are missing mine as well. We are clearly on the wrong page and dragging it out here is just taking away from any kind of possible discussion.

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

It's not worth it. Don't worry about it

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I would never trade up in this draft...I want more picks not less. If they did I guess it should be for a DT like Dorsey but again I would never do it.

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[QUOTE=celts32;442066]I would never trade up in this draft...I want more picks not less. If they did I guess it should be for a DT like Dorsey but again I would never do it.[/QUOTE]

With Griffin getting older, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would mean for certain that Griffin would be cut next year though.

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

I am not in favor of losing any draft picks in order to trade-up or trade for a veteran. However, IF the situation comes to pass the the Skins could work a trade-up into the top 5 of the draft this year, I would do so in order to take Chris Long. I always thought of him as a good player with an NFL future, but after watching the clinic he put on against the Terps this past season, I became fully convinced that he is just the type of guy that I would want playing for my beloved Skins.

Too bad it won't happen.

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Would never happen, the FO should be looking to trade down if a shutdown CB, or Merling or better DE is not available.

McFadden is fast, but several analysts have made the comment "legs dead on contact". He is slim in the lower body, not built to take an NFL pounding. If I had to take a RB, I would take Mendenhall (sp?) or Stewart before McFadden.

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Don't want to takes sides on the dispute as that's about some old stuff it sounds like, but this thread is worth a discussion.

I do think this draft is worth trading up in IF your team has a lot of cap space to sign a top 10 pick. It costs so much to sign these guys & yet they've not even put on an nfl jersey. That said, the Skins can't afford to pay a top 10 pick IMO. But, if they were seriously throwing $21mil to ocho, then maybe a move up is viable, especially in the 10-15 range.

If we could trade our 1st & 3rd w/a team in the 10-15 range & get Chris Williams or Derrick Harvey I think it would be worth it. Or if S. Ellis was there still around picks 8-10. Actually, the Pats would be likely to want to trade out of pick #7.

Overall though, if given the choice I would rather see danny & vinny trade back w/the likes of Atl. & pick up additional 2nd rounders. If they could get 2 2nds for our 1st that would be sweet, or maybe their 2nd & 3rd, that wouldn't be bad.

I think in this draft the dilemna of picking at 21 is the fear that you're paying 1st round $ to 2nd round talent. As P. King said, after the top 10 the draft is a crap shoot, you never can predict it well. This draft has a couple top DTs, a few top OTs & a no. of solid cb's. Any of these guys might be worth moving up for just to make sure (in theory) that your first round pick is of high value. Again, I'd rather see us trade down, but if they don't brake the bank, trading up isn't a bad idea.

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Clearly I wouldnt suggest trading up to draft McFadden, but why is the idea of trading up being dismissed so quickly?

Trading up could imply going from 21 to 18, to ensure we get a guy that the Eagles are also looking at. It happens all the time.

Maybe since we have two thirds, we trade our pick in the third round to move up higher into the second round.

So I think we take Phillps at 21. Then we trade our second and third to draft Campbell earlier in the second round :)

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;442121]Clearly I wouldnt suggest trading up to draft McFadden, but why is the idea of trading up being dismissed so quickly?

Trading up could imply going from 21 to 18, to ensure we get a guy that the Eagles are also looking at. It happens all the time.

Maybe since we have two thirds, we trade our pick in the third round to move up higher into the second round.

So I think we take Phillps at 21. Then we trade our second and third to draft Campbell earlier in the second round :)[/quote]

Moving from 21 to 18 would be a very fair and worthwhile discussion. But I was responding to the first post, talking about trading up to get someone like Long or McFadden. That clearly could not be done at 18, it could only be done by going up to the top 10 if not top 5, and is hence ludicrous.

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If we trade up then I would like to see a guy the team take a guy like Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis. Also wouldn't mind seeing the team make a play for Albert or Williams.

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[quote=jsarno;442038]However, if we were to offer say Portis for the 5th pick to get McFadden, I think I might pull that trigger.
[/quote]

Not to pile on you here but YOU CANT BE SERIOUS?!?!? Trade a young, proven, top tier pro, who is the complete package and essentially the heart and soul of our team for an unproven rookie?? There are only 3/4 players the redskins would trade up for Long/Dorsey/Ellis maybe Albert and to do that we would have to get too high to make it worth while along with the contract they would command.

this thread was doomed from the start....

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[quote=Schneed10;442135]Moving from 21 to 18 would be a very fair and worthwhile discussion. But I was responding to the first post, talking about trading up to get someone like Long or McFadden. That clearly could not be done at 18, it could only be done by going up to the top 10 if not top 5, and is hence ludicrous.[/quote]

It is ludicrous given our situation, but it's actually probably quite possible for some team to relatively low ball the rams, falcons or chiefs to get one of those picks. I leave out the raiders cause I think Al will want his #4 no matter what.

Given what the falcons have done recently and how they're rebuilding, I would think they'd listen very seriously to offers to get out of the #3 pick. It would all depend on what qb they want in this draft. I know there is the point system to denote value for draft picks, but a lot of teams feel burdened by these top 10 picks that cost so much $. I think a few of them would be willing to settle for less than what the draft pick points dictate.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;442138]If we trade up then I would like to see a guy the team take a guy like Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis. Also wouldn't mind seeing the team make a play for Albert or Williams.[/quote]

I feel ya there, especially if any one of these guys falls further than expected. Trading up for Williams seems a very realistic possibility and I think would be a sound move if the staff feels he can be the RT of the near future and LT of the distant future.

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

mcfadden is more of a CAN miss RB than reggie bush... he's not half the player peterson is.

if we trade up, it has to be for harvey (unless we go way up for golston or long or a DT). McFadden is the last person i'd even consider trading up for. we have no need, he's not a very safe pick, and he'd cost a ton to get... not to mention having two rbs with 20mill+ release fees on one team is beyond stupid. no thanks.

Re: If we were to TRADE UP, who would you shoot for?
 

1) Chris Long
2) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
3) Derick Harvey
4) Ryan Clady
5) Sedrick Ellis

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;442169]1) Chris Long
2) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
3) Derick Harvey
4) Ryan Clady
5) Sedrick Ellis[/quote]
Trade up to # 2 and take Jordy !!!!!!