66 Months, Out in 5!
 

The long awaited first terrorist military trial and sentencing is in ladies and gentleman and the [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/washington/08gitmo.html"]verdict is, well, not satisfying[/URL]. Question is what happens to him in 5 months?

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I was fairly annoyed when I saw this yesterday but assumed I'd be in the minority regarding our handling of enemy combatants.

But stuff like:

“After that, I don’t know what happens,” said Judge Allred, who had developed [I]a warm relationship with Mr. Hamdan[/I] during months of pretrial hearings.

And:

Mr. Hamdan, [I]who at times has shown a mischievous sense of humor[/I], raised his arms and said a good-natured, “Bye, bye everybody.”

And:

“Inshallah,” Judge Allred responded.

And:

Mr. Hamdan’s answer to his safety if returned to Yemen, Professor Schmitz said, was: “Look, you guys get me out of Gitmo. I’ll take care of Yemen.”

Speechless..........Fortunately I can still type.

This is clearly a war our Government doesn't intend to 'win', as such.

If I were on trial I am fairly certain I wouldn't be 'showing a mischievous sense of humor'. What about the impartiality of the Judge? He developed a warm relationship with a defendant?!?!??! Does he even understand what 'inshallah' means? No, it's not as simple as 'god willing', you utter moron!

We are so screwed if this is the best we can do.

:soapbox:

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Who knew former Redskins QB Gibram Hamdan moonlighted as a driver for Bin Laden...oh, wait

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just another feather in this administration's cap. what a bunch of buffoons

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[quote=dmek25;462680]just another feather in this administration's cap. what a bunch of buffoons[/quote]

Should be interesting to see the spin on this one.

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It was a solid opportunity for the current Administration to set the tone, I really don't think that was achieved.

Having said that, what does everyone think [I]should[/I] have been done? I'd be interested to know. I also promise I won't be replying to the thread and 'discussing' it.

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[quote=dmek25;462680]just another feather in this administration's cap. what a bunch of buffoons[/quote]
The real buffon was the guy who did not take Bin Laden when he was handed to the US back years ago. I would have liked to seen a much longer sentence but as people demanded that these guys get their day in court are now complaining about their sentense. You cannot have it both ways.

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lol here we go. It's all Clinton's fault. :doh:

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[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/]Osama bin Laden: missed opportunities - Nightly News with Brian Williams - MSNBC.com[/url]

Too....hard.....to.....resist.....[I]damn it![/I]

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RedskinRat, I'm not sure why the judge's "Inshallah" response bothers you?

As for what should have been done, I would have taken the civilian court route. What really bothers me is that we've spend 7 years and millions of dollars to convict a lowly driver in a kangaroo court...and all he got was 66 months....so retarded.

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Stop with the blame game and see the principles of the matter...and the question is what to do with him after he's out.

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[quote=saden1;462726]Stop with the blame game and see the principles of the matter...and the question is what to do with him after he's out.[/quote]

lol good luck with that. The blame game is always a convenient excuse to skirt around the actual issues.

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[quote=saden1;462723]RedskinRat, I'm not sure why the judge's "Inshallah" response bothers you?

As for what should have been done, I would have taken the civilian court route. What really bothers me is that we've spend 7 years and millions of dollars to convict a lowly driver in a kangaroo court...and all he got was 66 months....so retarded.[/quote]
There are reasons why civilian courts are not used and I don't have the time to look them up. I do know one reason is because we are holding them as enemy combatants we have to use military tribunals (or what ever they are called). I also think even after his 5 months are up Bush will hold him as an enemy combatant as long as he is president. I agree what the judge said was wierd and maybe he had his agenda. They may also use his words to call for a new trial as they maybe able to show the judge showed a bias attitude. I would call military courts a kangaroo court as most do a good job and these guys have served our country. I have seen plenty of kangaroo civilian courts.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462719]lol here we go. It's all Clinton's fault. :doh:[/quote]

Finally you admitted it.

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[quote=Buster;462803]Finally you admitted it.[/quote]

Right. I'd admit that as soon as you admit that Bush has been a major F up.

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[quote=firstdown;462767]There are reasons why civilian courts are not used and I don't have the time to look them up.[/quote]

The reason they don't want to use civilian courts is because secret evidence and hearsay are not admissible in civilian courts.

[quote=firstdown;462767]I do know one reason is because we are holding them as enemy combatants we have to use military tribunals (or what ever they are called).[/quote]

That doesn't make sense at all. Do you mean "we are holding them as enemy combatant [B]so we can use[/B] military tribunals."


[quote=firstdown;462767]I also think even after his 5 months are up Bush will hold him as an enemy combatant as long as he is president.[/quote]

Do you feel justice is being served? What's the point of the trial then? What about double jeopardy? Or incarceration without a trial?

[quote=firstdown;462767]I agree what the judge said was weird and maybe he had his agenda. They may also use his words to call for a new trial as they maybe able to show the judge showed a bias attitude.[/quote]

Hold it there!!! Aren't you jumping to conclusions? Maybe his intent was to mock him? Maybe his intent was to say "god willing we'll get ride of your ass?" You're not being fair. Also, there were 6 judges on the panel and you don't need a majority get a conviction.

[quote=firstdown;462767]I would call military courts a kangaroo court as most do a good job and these guys have served our country. I have seen plenty of kangaroo civilian courts.[/quote]

What is a kangaroo court? Please define it.

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I really cannot debate this stuff because I do not know enough about what and why these trials are done the way they are doing them. I do know I have heard the arguments as to why they are doing it this way but I just cannot remember the details. I think you used the term kangeroo court and I don't think it was praising their work.

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I'm not sure why Bush is responsible for the verdict of a military tribunal. He's been accused of running a gulag at Guntanamo on the one hand, and now you are saying he's too soft? It seems a bit intellectually lazy to try to blame this leniency on The President.

BTW, if B.L.s driver been tried in a civilian court which is the direction the rest of the detainees seemed to be headed after the recent Supreme Court habeus ruling fiasco, he likely would have received no sentence at all. He probably would have gotten an apology and a big wet kiss.

I am surprised that a military tribunal failed to see that Bin Laden's driver would also likely be a trained killer. They seem to have been convinced that he was Morgan Freeman trying to take Osama to the Piggly Wiggly.

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[quote=70Chip;463010]I'm not sure why Bush is responsible for the verdict of a military tribunal. He's been accused of running a gulag at Guntanamo on the one hand, and now you are saying he's too soft? [B]It seems a bit intellectually lazy to try to blame this leniency on The President. [/B]

BTW, if B.L.s driver been tried in a civilian court which is the direction the rest of the detainees seemed to be headed after the recent Supreme Court habeus ruling fiasco, he likely would have received no sentence at all. He probably would have gotten an apology and a big wet kiss.

I am surprised that a military tribunal failed to see that Bin Laden's driver would also likely be a trained killer. They seem to have been convinced that he was Morgan Freeman trying to take Osama to the Piggly Wiggly.[/quote]

It makes about as much sense as blaming previous administrations.

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gitmo is jihadist U... takes in a lot of borderline cases for detention and turns them in hardened militants. The trials have had lots of problems with politicians trying to demand sentences and ignore due process. That whole thing is a mess, and infinite detention without need of any cause is a bit disturbing.

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[quote=That Guy;463037]gitmo is jihadist U... takes in a lot of borderline cases for detention and turns them in hardened militants. The trials have had lots of problems with politicians trying to demand sentences and ignore due process. That whole thing is a mess, and [I]infinite detention without need of any cause is a bit disturbing[/I].[/quote]


It would be a lot less disturbing if it actually were infinite. It wouldn't be so bad if I thought the CIA were competent to track these people once they are let go, but it's The Three Stooges Hour with them these days. Scalia was right. People will almost certainly die as as a result of the Supreme Court's ruling in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boumediene_v._Bush"][I]Boumediene[/I][/URL].

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sometimes i wonder if these guys end up with more rights then i have. and i know they end up with better health care. what a f***ing joke

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[quote=That Guy;463037]gitmo is jihadist U... takes in a lot of borderline cases for detention and turns them in hardened militants. The trials have had lots of problems with politicians trying to demand sentences and ignore due process. That whole thing is a mess, and infinite detention without need of any cause is a bit disturbing.[/quote]

Most of these people in Gitmo where captured while fighting against the us in Afganistan (spelling). I heard on guy defending one of the guys captured saying he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and I guess thats what all of them are saying. Hey I was just walking by this terrorist camp when this battle broke out and before I knew what happened I was taking away to Gitmo.