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I would love to see us pick up DT Dre Moore (released by Bucs), DE Mclover (released by Panthers), CB Deltha O'Neal (released by Bengals), LB Nece (released by Bucs). Just a few players I think that could help us. What are some players do you guys think we should make a run at.

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I say O'Neal Bengals and McDougle from the Eagles. Cut Tryon and Jackson and hope to sign them on the PS.

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I wonder how bad is Roosvelt Colvin....I mean he played well for the Pats but he just got released by the Texans. Could he help at LB?

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Why not also cut Fabini and sign either Forney or Willie Anderson.

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God help us if that many guys who couldn't make other teams could come in and be an upgrade on ours. Do you guys really think we're that bad of a team??

Retarded thread.

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Schneed -- While these players may not be studs for us, they can provide great depth. McDougal has had a great preseason. O'Neal was a starting CB just a year or two ago. Why not give them a shot. Not to mention, these players typical come on the cheap so they can get a job.

For instance, whoever picks up Mason got a very good player. Im sure if we look around we can find some upgrades. Especially at LB.

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[quote=Schneed10;469706]God help us if that many guys who couldn't make other teams could come in and be an upgrade on ours. Do you guys really think we're that bad of a team??

Retarded thread.[/quote]

You mean like Erasmus James?

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I actually think there are some interesting names out there worth looking at.

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I don't understand how my thread is retarded since we can clearly use some upgrades on offense and defense considering how we finished up in the preseason. Dt Moore was on our radar but the Bucs beat us to him. We could always use pass rushers like McClover formerly of the Panthers. LB could definitely could help us since we was struggling to put in 3 healthy linebackers on the field against the Panthers.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;469718]I don't understand how my thread is retarded since we can clearly use some upgrades on offense and defense considering how we finished up in the preseason. Dt Moore was on our radar but the Bucs beat us to him. We could always use pass rushers like McClover formerly of the Panthers. LB could definitely could help us since we was struggling to put in 3 healthy linebackers on the field against the Panthers.[/quote]

Agreed. Besides, we released some good players like Marcus Mason and McMullen, and I'm sure some teams are going to look at these two that we released. We have some obvious needs in areas like LB and WR, so it would be wise to look at some of these veterans for depth.

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they never should have cut McMullen.

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I like Deltha O'Neal from Cincy could help us out in the nickel...also a vet who could help teach sorry Tryon a thing or two...

I also think that there were a couple of o-line cuts that could add real depth to our squad...
Willie Anderson from Cincy and there was a starting gaurd from the Falcons cut...better than some of the dead weight we got like Fabini.

As far as wide reciever there were a couple of players that may help...possibly!

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[quote=Meks;469722]they never should have cut McMullen.[/quote]

Or Mason IMO.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;469705]Why not also cut Fabini and sign either Forney or Willie Anderson.[/quote]

Well, that will be a bad idea because Fabini is a guard and Anderson is a tackle and he is contemplating retiring. He also said that he doesn't anticipate playing after this year. That is one of the reasons why he was cut in the first place.

I don't know about the other guy :)


But I think we should go after Roosevelt Colvin. He can give us some good support at linebacker with Rocky coming off surgery.

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[quote=chrisl13;469731]Well, that will be a bad idea because Fabini is a guard and Anderson is a tackle and he is contemplating retiring. He also said that he doesn't anticipate playing after this year. That is one of the reasons why he was cut in the first place.

I don't know about the other guy :)


But I think we should go after Roosevelt Colvin. He can give us some good support at linebacker with Rocky coming off surgery.[/quote]

Forney is a tough nosed guard that the Cowboys might pick up. Colvin is washed up, Patriots and Texans cut him, something smells funny.

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[quote=Schneed10;469706]God help us if that many guys who couldn't make other teams could come in and be an upgrade on ours. Do you guys really think we're that bad of a team??

Retarded thread.[/quote]

I agree very much although I don't think this is a retarded thread. If we need to pick up several castoffs we would be a laughing stock garbage team and we are not. We are a good team.

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[quote=Schneed10;469706]God help us if that many guys who couldn't make other teams could come in and be an upgrade on ours. Do you guys really think we're that bad of a team??

Retarded thread.[/quote]

YES! Havent had one of these in a while.

It is a pretty justifiable thread though imo. There are a few cut players that I wouldn't mind at least having come in and having someone take a look at, thats not Dan Snyder of course. To bring a few in and work them out and see if they can offer something we lack makes some sense to me but I know nothing of cap ramifications, salaries or any financial matters.

But keep hunting for those retarded threads Schneed10. I'm sure I'll make one sooner of later lol

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not retarded thread, and some interesting names have been brought up too.

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[quote=wilsowilso;469733]I agree very much although I don't think this is a retarded thread. If we need to pick up several castoffs we would be a laughing stock garbage team and we are not. We [B]should be a good [/B]team.[/quote]

FYP imo

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[quote=wilsowilso;469733]I agree very much although I don't think this is a retarded thread. If we need to pick up several castoffs we would be a laughing stock garbage team and we are not. We are a good team.[/quote]

I wouldnt call Willie Anderson "garbage". He was cut because he wouldnt take a paycut, he is a Probowl offensive lineman(something we could use)

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Ricky Manning Jr (Bears) is available. He's young and would be an upgrade over Tyron. Lavar Arrington is also available

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ricky manning jr also had some legal troubles... but yeah, he and willie anderson would be upgrades in talent.

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I'm usually one of the first people to jump on these threads but theres definately some interesting prospects out there. Deltha O'Neal seems like he might be a good fit here granted Jerry Wilson can get us good Deltha and not "lets see if he can play WR Deltha." Ahmad Brooks might also be interesting considering he's a relatively local product but the team seems happy with Fincher, Campbell, and Blades at the backup spots. Dre Moore though would be an awesome guy to have on the practice squad and the best part is he wouldn't cost us a draft pick.

Also Tryon needs to be cut. I wonder if theres any substance to what Frost said about Vinny keeping 10 picks to make himself look good. The funny thing is I jumped on the cut Tryon bandwagon when I heard he was a trash talker. I guess I'm good like that.

I will say this though. NO DE'S. Taylor, Carter, James, Wilson, Jackson, Evans. We're set at DE.

I also wonder if this is the fist time in league history that not only did a team have the leading rusher and reciever in preseason but they also ended up cutting them.

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You guys are delusional.

You can't go out and bring in players at this stage of the preseason and expect them to be able to contribute in any way to your team given that they know NOTHING of your system. The learning curve is already high enough for the offensive players we do have, they're all learning a new system as it is, and now you want to bring in some guys who'd come in blind? It's essentially the same problem on defense.

The only way this makes any sense is if the players available are HUGE upgrades in talent over your existing guys. A slight upgrade in talent would not make up for the big learning curve they'll face.

The Deltha O'Neal discussion is actually worth having because he actually is hugely talented over Justin Tryon. But so was M. Richardson, and Vinny cut him anyway. There are clearly some non-football forces at play keeping Tryon on the team, and the availability of Deltha O'Neal won't change that one bit.

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I don't really get the outcry about our 4th CB and our punter.. Tryon didn't play very well, true, but it's possible that he showed more potential than Richardson in practice and just needs some time for it all to come together. Also a draft pick gets a little but more leeway, as they should. Richardson could come back on the practice squad and continue to develop.

Derrick Frost is NO great loss. If he were any good, we wouldn't have had the need to replace him. Vinny did him a favor by keeping him in camp and getting him some visual reps in preseason games so another team might pick him up. Otherwise he would have just been a camp body somewhere. He needs to just accept he got beat out and move on.

I wasn't surprised to see JLC feeding the anti-Vinny monster, but that act is growing more and more tiresome.

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I think the outcry is justified. Tryon seemed to get worse and worse each week. He's a liability that was being targeted. I agree Richardson isn't much of an upgrade, but it is annoying that he's making the team just because he was a 4th round pick. If he's shown something on the practice field, you think some of it would trickle down to the playing field, and it hasn't. I wouldn't be surprised if what he's shown on the practice field is that he's a few steps behind Maurice Mann, as he gives up TDs.

Willie Anderson would be a great pickup. Honestly, if he could make the transition to RT, he might be an upgrade over Jansen. At the very least, he's great depth, but I guess the issue with him was his salary in Cincy, so he'll probably still want a lot of dough.

Dre Moore might be worth a look, given our porous run D, but he didn't show a whole lot during the preseason.

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Schneed, you are assuming you would bring players like this in as starters expecting them to contribute immediately, which would be delusional indeed. These are depth players. These guys only have to be an upgrade over the 4th or 5th guy on the depth chart at their respective positions to be an upgrade. We all know this team has traditionally had major issues with depth.

Personally, I think Jerome McDougle is a player with a lot of upside even though he wouldn't address a glaring need for us. And it would be tough to argue convincingly that O'Neal wouldn't be an upgrade over Tryon.

Anyway, I don't see the harm in questioning if there is any guy out there better than the 53rd man on our roster.

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I would love to see us get Dre Moore.

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When do we pick our practice Squad.

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[quote=djnemo65;469769]
Anyway, I don't see the harm in questioning if there is any guy out there better than the 53rd man on our roster.[/quote]
By that rationale, there was probably 200 people cut this weekend better than Tryon, many from the Skins, but he's still got a job. Of course, maybe the potential and upside we haven't seen on the field from Thomas and Kelly was them toasting Tryon in practice.

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[quote=Schneed10;469756]You guys are delusional.

You can't go out and bring in players at this stage of the preseason and expect them to be able to contribute in any way to your team given that they know NOTHING of your system. The learning curve is already high enough for the offensive players we do have, they're all learning a new system as it is, and now you want to bring in some guys who'd come in blind? It's essentially the same problem on defense.

The only way this makes any sense is if the players available are HUGE upgrades in talent over your existing guys. A slight upgrade in talent would not make up for the big learning curve they'll face.

The Deltha O'Neal discussion is actually worth having because he actually is hugely talented over Justin Tryon. But so was M. Richardson, and Vinny cut him anyway. There are clearly some non-football forces at play keeping Tryon on the team, and the availability of Deltha O'Neal won't change that one bit.[/quote]

At this point the only names that I find interesting are defensive guys. McDougle and O'Neal are guys that could probably come in and contribute relatively quickly.

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I would say Deltha O'Neal would be about the only guy I'd look at. He's a HUGE upgrade from Tryon who has just looked miserable. Willie Anderson is 33, just lost his job, and wants is nearing retirement. I'd question how much his heart is really in it.

I wonder if there's any validity to NOT cutting drafted players who have been mediocre at best just to save a litte face. Granted Rob Jackson and Horton played nicely, but Tryon had waiver wire written all over him. I'm pretty surprised he's still around.

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We had a real good camp and have, it seems, good talent and depth. In light of Carolina and Jax, it may just seems that way b/c we haven't had a daily comparison to other teams. Without having scrutinized these players, it's hard to say if they are significantly better than those on the team. Other than Tryon, who do we cut - Wilson and Hamilton are probably the next bubble players but they are likely both valuable ST guys. Is Deltha the going to be good enough on ST? How did Tryon do on ST? Right now, we are talking about replacing the 5th CB, 5th Safety and/or 5th DE - all of whom will be making their main contributions on ST. That's the spot for youth not retreads. Remember - Deltha has been cut by at least 3 teams now. Is he really an upgrade??

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[quote=JoeRedskin;469804]We had a real good camp and have, it seems, good talent and depth. In light of Carolina and Jax, it may just seems that way b/c we haven't had a daily comparison to other teams. Without having scrutinized these players, it's hard to say if they are significantly better than those on the team. Other than Tryon, who do we cut - Wilson and Hamilton are probably the next bubble players but they are likely both valuable ST guys. Is Deltha the going to be good enough on ST? How did Tryon do on ST? Right now, we are talking about replacing the 5th CB, 5th Safety and/or 5th DE - all of whom will be making their main contributions on ST. That's the spot for youth not retreads. Remember - Deltha has been cut by at least 3 teams now. [B]Is he really an upgrade??[/B][/quote]

Over Tryon? For sure. At this point Tryon has more upside and obviously youth, but as far as 2008 goes, I think O'Neal would be a better player. It's not like we'd be asking him to play #1 CB against the TO's of the world, just a little nickel and some depth chart help experience-wise.

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Tryon won't play the position he played in the preseason we saw him mostly playing the LCB and RCB he will no doubt be a nickel corner and there I think he can excel better.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;469858]Tryon won't play the position he played in the preseason we saw him mostly playing the LCB and RCB he will no doubt be a nickel corner and there I think he can excel better.[/quote]

The only position I want Tryon to play is benchwarmer. If he gets to play nickel or dime than essentially we are playing w/ 10 on the field. H has the mouth of Deion Sanders but the coverage skills of Col. Sanders.

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Archuleta is available :D

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[quote=EEich;469867]Archuleta is available :D[/quote]

Oh lord :doh:

I think O'Neal would be a great pick up. He wouldn't help for the future, but he'd add depth to our secondary. Tryon needs to develop big time.

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The way we went thru the OL last year I would feel better if we had some depth going into the season.

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[quote=mitch e;469875]The way we went thru the OL last year I would feel better if we had some depth going into the season.[/quote]

It would be nice to pick up a decent backup OL. I would say a cheap one though. Our team has a good player developing in the practice squad (Crummey) and drafting an O-lineman in the draft next year will help in adding youth and develop for the future.

I still think that picking up O'Neal for the right price would be huge for our secondary. It could even help us in the event the Doughty doesn't pan out, and the coaches move Springs to safety. But even if that doesn't happen, it would just make our secondary very strong this season.